Was there ever a low-ranking noble such as a baron for example, that became a king or emperor of a nation?

Was there ever a low-ranking noble such as a baron for example, that became a king or emperor of a nation? Just wondering.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you count counts (ba dum tss) as low nobles, yeah, all the time.
    Also, "baron" meant different things in different places. In ingurland every single vassal of the crown was technically a baron, while in France and the HRE it was just a smaller, less independent graf.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, "baron" meant different things in different places. In ingurland every single vassal of the crown was technically a baron, while in France and the HRE it was just a smaller, less independent graf.
      Thank god someone said this.

      I feel garbage games like CK-series is installing brainrot by treating barons as the lowest rank

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Napoleon was the lowest noble rank available

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And lowest in terms of height, too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I forgot about this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah the bootstraps thing is half a myth. Napoleon went to military academy on scholarship only because of his minor nobility that made him qualify. So he graduated as an officer, then poof the revolution happens and now there’s a lot of job openings and social mobility, so he becomes a general very quickly. Lot of luck involved, he benefited from the Ancien Regime system of noble officers and then as soon as he was done with it benefitted from the opportunities of the Revolution (civil war). He had talent of course but he was also very fortunate

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The first Habsburg Emperor of the HRE, Rudolf I. (1218 - 1291) elevated his house from mere counts to Princes of the Holy Roman Empire. And while it took until 1438 for the Habsburger Dynasty to become the defacto emperor family, Rudolf I. laid down the groundwork.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Rudolf wasn't emperor, but king of Romans.
      Basically, to become the emperor, you had march your army through Italy to Rome to get crowned by the pope.
      Many rulers were only able to succeed in getting crowned as king of Romans in Germany and failed their italienzug, because Italian city-states blocked their path.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italienzug

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't the coronation ultimately a formality? As i understood it, being crowned king would already give imperial authority, no?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          no, it would not

          No, this is what garbage games like Crusader Kings get wrong.

          It's a common belief that emperor just means "guy above a king", which is a belief that emerged during Napoleon's time.

          During the medieval period, the emperorship was universal and tied to religion.
          Because the bishop of Rome is God's representative on Earth, because there is only one god, there can only be one emperor.
          And because popeman is weak he needs a vicar to protect Christendom, which is the Holy Roman Emperor.
          So, if pope doesn't crown you, you are indistinguishable from other kings.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >During the medieval period, the emperorship was universal and tied to religion.
            >Because the bishop of Rome is God's representative on Earth, because there is only one god, there can only be one emperor.
            I know all of that, however i'm not talking about prestige and the recognition as universal ruler.
            To put my questions into other words, over the actual HRE lands, would the relationship between king and it's vassals change after being crowned emperor or would it stay the same?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Remember that being emperor is a combination of being king of Germany and Italy.
            So, if you aren't the emperor, you are not the king of Italy, and nobody in Italy would recognize your rule

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Was there ever a low-ranking noble such as a baron for example
            A Baron was the highest rank of nobility in England other than the Earls (who were also Barons) and the King. I guess the closest would be the Capetians and the Habsburg's

            >So, if you aren't the emperor, you are not the king of Italy, and nobody in Italy would recognize your rule
            This isn't true. It had been common practice and belief that Imperial authority started after elevation the the Kingdom of the Romans. The German King would often project power into Italy even if he was not Emperor.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There were literal peasants who became emperors

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Liu Bang, Emperor of Han
    Founder of the Han Dynasty was a local sheriff who became the preeminent warlord. Later established the Han Dynasty.
    >Liu Bei, Emperor of Shu Han
    Shoe/Straw mat seller/maker who became one of the Emperors during the Three Kingdoms era.
    >Cao Cao
    Descended from a eunuch clan. Pretty big regional family.
    >Sun Quan
    Sort of counts. Their family were a prominent regional family and rose to prominence in the Southeast.
    >Hongwu Emperor of Ming
    Went from starving peasant kicked out the temple due to lack of funds to most powerful warlord/Emperor in China within two decades.
    >Genghis Khan
    Genghis was born the son of a Chief, but one of many in the steppes. He was subservient to some bigger chiefs (his uncle I think?) so he was related but not the top dog.
    >Three Unifiers of Japan
    Oda Nobunaga started off in Owari Province, a relative backwater, and one of many possible heirs to the province. He was contested by several other claimants in his early reign. Toyotomi Hideyoshi was a literal sandal bearer and rose to Imperial Regent. Tokugawa Ieyasu started off a hostage of a vassalized noble clan to become Shogun.

    A lot of these are rags-to-riches stories. If you want someone who steadily rises through the ranks, a lot of Roman Emperors, especially the barrack emperors, might fit the bill better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tokugawa was a minimoto, which is the only reason he could become shogun and someone like hideyoshi (who was a hayseed) could not. Tokugawa had some of the bluest blood in Japan so this is not a good comparison at all. Tokugawa is to hideyoshi what Caesar is to Pompey

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The question is whether a minor, low-ranking noble ever became Emperor/King or top dog.
        >Ieyasu's father, Matsudaira Hirotada, was a minor local warlord based at Okazaki Castle who controlled a portion of the Tōkaidō highway linking Kyoto with the eastern provinces. His territory was sandwiched between stronger and predatory neighbors, including the Imagawa clan based in Suruga Province to the east and the Oda clan to the west. Hirotada's main enemy was Oda Nobuhide, the father of Oda Nobunaga.

        I mean, heritage aside, the Matsudaira (later Tokugawa) under Ieyasu's branch of the family weren't exactly Emperors/Shogun levels of wealth/prestige/power when he was born. Also being a branch of the Minamoto was also not exactly a super exclusive clan trait.
        >The Minamoto is the ancestor and parent clan of many notable descendant clans, some of which are Ashikaga, Tokugawa, Matsudaira, Nitta, Takeda, Shimazu, Sasaki, Akamatsu, Kitabatake, Tada, Ota, Toki, Yamana, Satomi, Hosokawa, Satake, Yamamoto, Hemi, Ogasawara, Yasuda, Takenouchi, Hiraga, Imagawa, Miyake, etc.

        Yeah, bluest blood in Japan along with 20+ other clans.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gustav Vasa was a literal who, not even in the line of succession for his own unimportant noble family but became King of Sweden

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Habsburgs were originally minor Swiss counts. Pic related was their original seat.

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