WEBP

Did anyone else notice this shit getting more and more infectious everywhere?
Some websites are serving webp even though the link is jpg, what the hell?

For example, this one:
https://cdn.britannica.com/81/196781-050-CA29F2C8/Manila.jpg

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >even though the link is jpg, what the hell?
    you can't be that clueless
    >Did anyone else notice this shit getting more and more infectious everywhere?
    Yeah, despite what people on this board claim, webp in general are smaller in size than jpegs of comparable quality

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm clueless. What's happening? It's not just one website but every one out of three is like that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Two things, it lowers bandwidth usage, and more importantly Google tends to place webp search hits higher-up, so that's your typical SEO bullshit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Google
          There's your problem. It sucks so bad I've almost entirely stopped using it. I'm motivated to migrate my email too and avoid google. They keep removing features, covering them with SEO bullshit which most decidedly has ruined their core product. If I had any stock I'd sell.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >covering them with SEO bullshit
            Now this point can be pulled apart without disturbing the rest of the statement.
            https://searchengineland.com/how-wikipedia-turned-ppc-paid-search-into-sem-37300
            It may well be web developers who have distorted google results into becoming unusable for more fine grained searches. Results are so filtered by a myriad of mechanisms, that they are indeed worse than before. Regardless of one reason over the others.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i like it since it stops normies from stealing my pics and reposting them somewhere else without my permission.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      especially as you can just take a screen grab of the pic

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this, super+shift+s, open paint, paste, crop, save, poast
        verify I'm human
        verify I'm human

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Foolish and time consooming.
          Just right click anywhere on the page (in Firefox) and click "Take Screenshot".
          Saves as jpeg.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i like it since it stops normies from stealing my pics and reposting them somewhere else without my permission.
      normies dont even save images they screenshot them on their phone then crop them

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    between AVIF and WEBP it's getting real hard to be a IQfyner in 2024

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      get a "save as png" extension. It saves me so much fricking time

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you can just right click and copy (i have IQfy x so i can just paste) but it doesn't work with large lossy images due to the png being too large

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's incredibly easy and effortless to convert WebP to JPG so you can upload it to IQfy.

      If you can't work out how to do that, why are you on the tech board?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        see

        you can just right click and copy (i have IQfy x so i can just paste) but it doesn't work with large lossy images due to the png being too large

        i dont want to save and convert a file just to shitpost. it's not worth the extra 10 seconds

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's much less than 10 seconds, if you're not an idiot.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >download
            >open file
            >convert
            >save
            takes about 10 seconds

            vs
            >right click get link
            takes about 0 seconds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >he thinks you need to open the file to convert it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the alternative of navigating to the folder and running a command on it takes just as long

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Takes no time at all and you can create a keyboard shortcut, it's extremely quick.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's your browser sending webp in the Accept header so web servers send the smaller webp file.

    A workaround in firefox is
    >right click image you want to download
    >click "View Image Info"
    >click "Save As..."
    Now it should be saved with the original extension/format.

    You can also throw the image url in curl and download it that way. Curl's default headers won't trigger the webp behavior.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      "View Image Info"
      I don't get that option.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >have don't accept webp addon
      >sites serve me .jpgs and .pngs now
      >save them
      >cant open them because they are still webps just with a normal file extension
      WOW it is even MORE annoying now!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Use ESR. It still has the image.webp.enabled preference if you don't want webp to load at all even if they renamed the file extension.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >WebP is bad because...
    >It just is, okay?!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not universally supported

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's bad because it's lossy compression in fricking Current Year. Using anything but PNG should have been illegal long ago.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lossless jxl >>> png

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >lossless jxl >>> png
          so png filesize is smaller and thus png is better. got it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            jxl is both faster at (en/de)code and produced smaller files. It's also royalty free

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not paying any royalties when I post a png in IQfy

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I never said anything about png being locked behind a nasty license
            I appended that in my original post because JPEG2000 was fraught with licensing issues

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's also royalty free
            huh? Wasn't png literally made as a free format in response to gif?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          does jxl have a different extension for lossless images? It'll be fricking annoying to search for lossless images with both versions having the same fricking extension

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't
            just like webp and avif also don't
            sometimes it might be included in the metadata, usually you have no fricking idea if it's lossless or not

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not to my knowledge, but you can always check with jxlinfo
            $ cjxl test.png -q 100 test-lossless.jxl
            JPEG XL encoder v0.9.1 b8ceae3a [AVX2,SSE4,SSE2]
            Encoding [Modular, lossless, effort: 7]
            Compressed to 152.5 kB (1.261 bpp).
            1240 x 780, 3.434 MP/s [3.43, 3.43], 1 reps, 12 threads.
            $ cjxl test.png -q 75 test-lossy.jxl
            JPEG XL encoder v0.9.1 b8ceae3a [AVX2,SSE4,SSE2]
            Encoding [VarDCT, d2.350, effort: 7]
            Compressed to 129.7 kB (1.073 bpp).
            1240 x 780, 5.147 MP/s [5.15, 5.15], 1 reps, 12 threads.
            $ jxlinfo test-loss*
            JPEG XL image, 1240x780, (possibly) lossless, 8-bit RGB+Alpha
            Color space: RGB, D65, sRGB primaries, sRGB transfer function, rendering intent: Relative
            JPEG XL image, 1240x780, lossy, 8-bit RGB+Alpha
            Color space: RGB, D65, sRGB primaries, sRGB transfer function, rendering intent: Relative

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It's bad because it's lossy compression in fricking Current Year
        webp has a lossless compression mode you fricking moron
        and it's actually one of the things webp is best at, it's way more efficient than png at lossless

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shalom,
      >WebP is bad because...
      it is used to deliver Pegasus spyware developed by the Israeli

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      webp is bad because is locked to vp8, and vp8 is visualy disgraceful.

      vp9 was abandoned by google for avif/av1, so, yes, webp is deprecated and his use is bad.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >vp8 is visualy disgraceful
        true, but it seems to work way better as an image codec than a video one
        webp still beats avif in lossless compression usually, and competes decently with jxl still

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >vp9 was abandoned
        literally the default media format on a small hobbyist website (youtube)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >literally the default media format
          well
          arkutchally, considering that every single video on youtube has an h264 encode, while vp9 is only given to videos above 1080p or with any meaningful viewcount, youtube's default isn't vp9
          but yes, what does abandoned even mean in this case? aren't jpeg and png also abandoned?
          vp9 is also used a lot by netflix and other streamslop services and will be for at least the next decade

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >can't see the pic
      you clearly are braindead.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe don't re-encode your images 500 times with random quality levels?
        Generation loss tests mostly seem to measure weird resonances in the encoder. Like an image will turn to shit in 30 generations at -q90, but will be fine for hundreds of generations at -q91 or -q70.
        Like encoding to stupidly low bitrates, people like it because it makes for highly visible comparisons, not because it actually matters.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We could have had jxl, which does pretty much everything better, including being the superior lossless format.
    Instead google dictates what goes on the web once more.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    interesting how the PSNR is close on the BPG, JPEG, and MozJPEG even though the JPEG's look much better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >PSNR
      the worst metric
      only use DSSIM, Butteraugli 3-norm and SSIMULACRA2

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't mind it but it's a fricked format until IQfy takes it and I can double click to open it in the stock image viewer on any OS.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    we should talk about mozjpeg more
    it's barely any less efficient than webp while having way superior compatibility
    https://siipo.la/blog/is-webp-really-better-than-jpeg
    and yet most software still ships with shitty jpeg encoders from the ninties

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      mozjpeg is old and, like webp, mostly targets low qualities. cjpegli is a newer encoder from the jxl guys that targets visually transparent output by default.
      >and yet most software still ships with shitty jpeg encoders from the ninties
      Never trust any program that doesn't tell you what encoder it uses. Always save as lossless and encode yourself.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why isn’t AVIF the new standard?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      slow to encode
      slow-ish to decode (could be a problem on low end mobile devices)
      webp in comparison is quite fast since it's based on vp8 which is now ancient

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Any format derived from video frames will have different compromises than one designed for images from the ground up.
      They may be "okay" for thumbnail trash and penny pinching shitters, but will never be on top for actual content.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    jpegxl for the win
    https://cloudinary.com/blog/time_for_next_gen_codecs_to_dethrone_jpeg

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >doesn't know how to change image accept headers
    You don't belong on IQfy

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >go to download a .gif
    >it's webp

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >https://cdn.britannica.com/81/196781-050-CA29F2C8/Manila.jpg
    works on my Windows machine

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    homosexuals will say png is bad because 3MB images are simply too large like they are larping as someone in 2004 then their browser will load a 6MB optimizations.js file for the website.

    Stop being a third world Black person
    PNG is the white mans format.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >bloat is ok cause it's 2024
      You are the cancer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        PNG was never bloat numale brain

        How compressed do you like your mp3's by chance?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >png
          >mp3
          wake up grandpa, we are using lossless webp and opus now

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            bonus points for using opus
            no one actually useless lossless webp in practice, jeet tier funko pop onions tech

            just save as png like a real white person.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If asiaticmoot allowed webp, I would have no problem.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      asiaticmoot doesn't even allow webms over 4mb outside of gif and wsg

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nobody talks about flif. It doesn't try to be hi fidelity, but goes the extra mile and make the image more readable. The best colors. No ugly waves in water. Can see every single window in the red building without chink-squinting

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >muh file size
    who cares?
    storage is cheap nowadays

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Until JXL can reliably beat out its competitors I have to encode to all of them and keep the smallest output.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ~ λ time optipng -o7 -nx -k test.png
      ** Processing: test.png
      optipng -o7 -nx -k test.png 6.80s user 0.01s system 99% cpu 6.824 total
      ~ λ du -sh test*
      152K test-lossless.jxl
      128K test-lossy.jxl
      188K test.png
      260K test.png.bak

      Even with the best possible png optimisations, which take a long time to execute, JXL still comes out on top.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        For that image, which is fine until I run into "adverserial" images. I automate lossless compression of doujins so I can't sit there and hope JXL wins out. Sometimes WebP is ahead.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who doesn’t convert their png images to jxl lossless is a brainlet moron who doesn’t belong in the internet.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    everything other than png should be illegal, its current year we have extremely fast internet yet were still using lossy images

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Someone update the hank hill jpeg meme with webp instead

      >posts a jpg

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >posts a jpg
        yeah its not my fault the artist releases a jpeg im not gonig to then convert that to a lossless format wen its already lossy that just dumb

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Someone update the hank hill jpeg meme with webp instead

      >posts a jpg

      btfo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      my raw images are like 200 mB, converting them to png would make them at least a gig

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Works as JPEG on firefox. It's just your chrome shit browser.

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