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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >spicain takes huge chunks of wasteland and dying to disease civs
    >portugal takes over countless Black folk ready to be used as slave labor and the literal world
    no, only spaniards were stupid

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >spain takes literally all the gold of the world and most of silver
      >poortugal takes some spice islands, brapzil and Black land.
      Yeah I'm thinking Castile was based

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You should read about the Portuguese conquest of Goa, it's really interesting and an impressive conquistador story.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Their conquest of Malacca is similarly impressive. Honestly, all Portuguese conquests in the early modern era are just them punching above their weight.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Their conquest of Malacca is similarly impressive. Honestly, all Portuguese conquests in the early modern era are just them punching above their weight.

          All conquistador stories are borderline miraculous, unbelievable events on par with the islamic conquests.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >poortugal takes some spice islands
        Idiot, spices were more valuable than gold, back then

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think the Castilians knew about any gold when the treaty was made

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and the literal world
      Literal nonsense. Unironically. Really. Like for sure.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I guess those mines and all that silver & gold was useless, frick off Black person

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Odd how technically this gave Portugal the right to conquer all of europe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Iirc it only applied to Terra nullus.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did shitty little swarthy portugal think it could conquer all of that?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Afaik it was more for trade and cultural exchanges as opposed to "we are going to take over all of Afro-Eurasia.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some outposts and the spice trade would suffice. Maybe some slaves. We're not greedy

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, it was a great deal for the Spaniards since they got dips on all the wealthy areas in the new world while Portugal had to fight tooth and nail to get anything of their claimed lands

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >were they stupid?
    >splited

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Radiochan

    did they even know that greenland was attached to the lands columbus discovered at the time?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Portugal got india and china, they won

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spaniards took a huge gamble on this one and barely got any gold outside of central Mexico. At least Portugal knew the land they were given was full of established kingdoms they could immediately squeeze for profit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >barely any gold
      >so much gold that they get hyperinflation so bad it destroys the country for centuries

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pop history meme
        Come back to the board when you actually enjoy the subject

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I know more about economic history than Adam Smith

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moron.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really this kind of interpretation is exaggeration. The point of the treaty was to prevent Portugal and Spain from fighting over the New World and India trade routes. Portugal found wealth east, Spain found wealth west. Wow.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Portugal tried to invoke the treaty at the Congress of Berlin as proof they had the right to all of Africa

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And did they go to war over it? No? Okay, nobody cares.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >doesn’t care about history
          >comes to history board
          Cool

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Might as well say the Pig War was a legitimate conflict. People bring up bullshit in territorial discussions all the time. Everyone has claims, Portugal advanced theirs, and was ignored.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >still doesn’t care about history
            >comes to history board
            Uh huh

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            None cares about your blot on europe Pedro

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The treaty was considered null and void by the papacy due to centuries of changing circumstances, discoveries, and lack of real enforcement, and the other powers didn’t take the claim seriously because Portugal could barely enforce their rule over what little African territory they had.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        keep going anon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine Spanish and Portuguese Australia

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And they stole the whole of the Amazonas (that was discovered, named and explored by Spain) from Spain. Literally all the amazonas stolen like nothing.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Were they stupid?
    Stupid like a fox! Straight lines on maps is officially the peak of human diplomacy and geo-politics. There's no way to argue with that, that's math.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To be fair they literally didnt know about the entire rest of the world

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    REMINDER: Fernão de Magalhães' trip around of the world was a failure. The goal of the trip was to get to the Molucas, the spice islands, which were thought (both by Portuguese and Castillains) to be in Spain's world area, FROM A WESTERN ROUTE and to return to Castille BACK FROM THE ROUTE THAT HAD BEEN TAKEN. The objective was to make sure that the islands belonged to Spain and that they could be reached without having to pass from Portuguese waters.
    Getting to the islands crossing the Pacific for the first time was a great acheivement, as great as Vasco da Gama's. However, Fernão de Magalhães got depressed once he arrived and realised the islands were in Portugal's side, which undoubtedly gave him a death wish that was fulfilled in the Phillipines. The remaining survivors decided tor eturn home from the already charted and well known Portuguese routes through the Indic.
    Once they arrived in Castille, the royal authorities twisted the failure to turn it into a success, an usual Castillian tactic of the T*astamara heirs, as seen in other Castillian failures such as the Battle of Toro and Cristopher Colombus trips.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you are calling the first circunnavigation on history a "failure" I don´t know what can be said about you. They literally showed the world that the earth was not flat.

      Elcano was the real deal.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They literally showed the world that the earth was not flat.
        Are you stupid? Everybody knew the world was not flat since Ancient fricking Greece. That was never a factor in any of the trips of the Age of Discovery, both castillian and portuguese.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you moronic? I am not saying that there were people that were questioning the flatness of the Earth. I am saying that IT WAS CONFIRMED forever.

          And the first circunnavigation of the world IS A WORLD HISTORIC EVENT of the first magnitude payaso.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sound like cope.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And now both are shitholes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And now both are shitholes
      something tell me you live in a country that's way worse by every metrics

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I live in Russia (greatest country in the world) and I agree with him.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          doubt it and in the case you're telling the truth it would only confirm what I say

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why aren’t you mobilized to fight hohols?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm a student.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up Black person. They got betrayed by the ~~*West*~~
      The world would be much better under Iberian stewardship

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Treaty of Tortillas hehe

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This treaty was genius because it stoped disputes and tensions between them, so Portugal and Spain grew stronger out of this.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they didn't know there was a whole new continent in the middle

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    like half of that wasn't even discovered yet

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Spain gets the good shit
    >Poortugal gets the areas they're too weak to conquer + Black folks

    Shit deal

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You should have left Africa to us. Now you're being flooded with Black folk and it's all your fault

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wtf based

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Salazar & Smith BFFs 4ever, until the ~~*West*~~ meddled in our affairs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_mission_in_Lisbon

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know Portugal got screwed, right? The Pope was a literal cousin of the Catholic Monarchs.
    Que se foda o Borja

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And the catholic monarchs were even closer cousin to the king of Portugal lmao

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Trading dibs on Africa and Asia (places like Macau) was by far the better side of the deal.

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