Western Anatolia was Gree-

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ignores population density
    You're like the blacks who dont understand what per capita is

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >80% Turkish

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Greece could've just tried to take the Greek cities on the coast anon
      only things going for the Turkish rural hinterland did were overstretch Greece and make Turks mad

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    All of Anatolia was Greek, not just the west.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cope

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        So 3/4 greek, 1/4 turkic

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What a moronic map

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >what is overfitting
        you should fricking have a nice day

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Find any model that results in Anatolia being mostly Greek.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Slavicness of South Slavs is disputed to begin with, so this is just dumb

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          samples from the medivial Czech were used there. they cannot be anything other than Slavic and some Baltic.
          which is essentially the same thing.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        roach detected

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol at the seethe when these results were basically just confirmed by Olalde et al

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The fact that there's an extreme cutoff between the east and west according to this meme chart when these areas which have been contained within the same cultural family and empires almost undisrupted for 3000 years is all I need to know

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            it's all you "need to know" to make an ass of yourself when you ignore the events of the last 1000 years regarding the slow cultural and genetic drift of mainland Greece from Anatolia starting from the Turkic conquest of it and finishing with the population exchanges
            Byzantine era samples were indeed much more continuous to mainland Greece, but the impact of Turks was indeed, as genetics amply demonstrated, non negligible

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Define Turks

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Turks

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            These guys, right, Persian?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know who this guy is but yeah, some type of central Asian population slowly mixing and penetrating into the peninsula.
            >>East Eurasian ancestry also helps identify an intriguing set of outliers at Çapalıbağ in the Aegean coast of Turkey dating from the 14th-17th centuries (Fig. 4) (18). These have ~18% such ancestry unlike Byzantine-era individuals from Turkey (Fig. 4B), suggesting a Central Asian influence. An admixture date estimate of 12.2±1.4 generations prior to their time using Roman/Byzantine and Central Asian sources (Fig. 4C) suggests that the admixture occurred in the period surrounding the 11th century arrival and expansion of Seljuq Turks to Anatolia. Present-day Turkish individuals have an admixture date estimate of 30.6±1.9 generations (Fig. 4D), and thus from the same early centuries of the 1000s CE which coincided with the transfer of control of Anatolia from the Romans to the Seljuqs and eventually Ottomans. The genetic contribution of Central Asian Turkic speakers to present-day people can be provisionally estimated by comparison of Central Asian ancestry in present-day Turkish people (~9%) and sampled ancient Central Asians (range of ~41-100%) to be between 9100 and 941 or ~9-22%. People from Turkey were sampled from eight localities (n=58) (35), representing broadly the present-day population. The genetic data thus point to Turkish people carrying the legacy of both ancient people who lived in Anatolia for thousands of years covered by our study and people coming from Central Asia bearing Turkic languages.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Luwians are the real greeks
        always knew it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >implying ataisraelite didnt move mongloic looking turks to the west

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ottoman censuses aren't trustworthy.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    -k , roach ethnic cleansing can't come soon enough

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Western Anatolia was Gree-
    k

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      imprecise ms paint dogshit

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >may include Albanian, Bosniak, Circassian, etc., origin Muslims

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This debate is simple to solve. Just compare distance with Greco-Byzantine, Armenian, etc, samples from before the Turkish conquests. If the Turks are close, then they are bastards as the mainstream suggests.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Find any model that results in Anatolia being mostly Greek.

      The other Byzantine sets include a fair number of outliers, but for the most part the main western Anatolian cluster exists already in the bronze age.
      Only the one sample at iron age halicarnassus looks half greek, half anatolian, some of the others pull toward elsewhere in europe, interestingly.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wow 500 straight years of genociding foreign people and there were still 200k Greeks in western Anatolia? There must have been so much more before

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Delphi era ancestry seems to have shifted toward Slavs and Levantines
    Target: Greek_South_Tsakonia
    Distance: 1.1737% / 0.01173652
    44.2 Greece_Delphi_IA
    25.2 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
    16.6 Georgian_Laz
    13.4 Israel_IA
    0.6 Kazakhstan_Turk.SG
    Target: Greek_Macedonia
    Distance: 1.6263% / 0.01626263
    41.0 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
    35.2 Greece_Delphi_IA
    12.0 Israel_IA
    11.8 Georgian_Laz
    Target: Greek_Crete_Chania
    Distance: 1.8411% / 0.01841113
    36.2 Greece_Delphi_IA
    23.2 Israel_IA
    22.6 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
    15.0 Georgian_Laz
    3.0 Kazakhstan_Turk.SG
    Target: Greek_North_Tsakonia
    Distance: 1.6486% / 0.01648563
    37.4 Greece_Delphi_IA
    30.8 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
    18.4 Israel_IA
    13.4 Georgian_Laz
    Target: Greek_Cyclades_Kea
    Distance: 1.5153% / 0.01515254
    51.0 Greece_Delphi_IA
    25.2 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
    10.6 Iran_Hasanlu_IA
    7.6 Israel_IA
    4.2 Georgian_Laz
    1.4 Kazakhstan_Turk.SG¨
    Target: Turkey_Byzantine
    Distance: 1.2023% / 0.01202328
    41.6 Greece_Delphi_IA
    24.0 Georgian_Laz
    20.4 Israel_IA
    7.8 Iran_Hasanlu_IA
    6.0 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
    0.2 Kazakhstan_Turk.SG

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >kek delusional roach

    >A genetic history of the Balkans from Roman frontier
    to Slavic migrations, Olalde et al 2023
    >supplementary data 2, table 8
    >Greek_Peloponnese
    >24.7% Aegean BA_IA
    >39.2% CroatiaSerbia_RomanAnatolian
    >30% CEE_EarlyMedieval
    >6.2% WestAnatolia_Ottoman

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh great it's the turk schizo.
    You got btfo in your own thread by multiple peopl.e
    give up. It's pathetic.
    Also this study is bad. Who the frick models albanians with more anatolian greek than mainland greeks , kek.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"turksih" ancestry
      I know this is fake because there's no such thing as "turkish" DNA. Turks have no distinct genetic signature.

      holy fricking cope
      hear hear, Olalde(a Spaniard) is secretly a Turk with an agenda against Greeks, but Lazaridis(lmao) totally isn't biased

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The study is bad.
        Is inflating Slavic in mainland Greeks because they didn't use Balkan proxies even though mainland Greeks have it.
        I didn't said shit about lazaridis, he lives rent free in your head.
        In fact southern arc was a bad study.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Also Lazaridis collaborate with a lot of turks. What is this roach even babbling about.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you can check.
          It doesn’t look at all like something with a heavy Balkan admixture.
          Greeks and Slavs are now not only brothers in faith, but also brothers in blood.
          https://pastebin.com/4M0zHe0d

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"turksih" ancestry
    I know this is fake because there's no such thing as "turkish" DNA. Turks have no distinct genetic signature.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where the Seljuks even Turks to begin with? Probably just yogurt eating Perso-arabs

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what is expulsions programs and genocide?

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Greeks and Turks fighting over Anatolians who they made speak their language in turn

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    the Slavs whitened them a little. so it's not very fair.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t why you’re attempting to portray Greek claims as engrossing the entirety of western Anatolia. It was limited to Iona, which your source shows as having a Greek majority.

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