what are your thoughts on the pseudoscience of psychiatry?

what are your thoughts on the pseudoscience of psychiatry?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, you do realize Tom Cruise is a Scientologist, and thus the rejecting psychiatry is literally a core part of his agenda right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ad hominem
      please do better

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fallacy fallacy
        Acknowledging a persons biases isnt a worthless venture

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A broken clock is right twice a day

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >psychiatry >:(
    >psychiatry but with an e-meter 😮

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, it's a start. Psychiatry relying on the subjective allegations of the patient is just completely worthless. Maybe the e-meter isn't the most effective means of objectively measuring their brain activity, but imagine what could be done if you took a proper EEG or fMRI machine, and fed the results into a machine learning model to actually develop a comprehensive model that could correlate subjective mental states with objective brain activity?

      The idea the nobody is working on that is crazy! It would be like if orthopedists didn't use X-ray machines and just guessed at whether someone had arthritis or a broken bone based on how much they complained.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a proper EEG or fMRI machine, and fed the results into a machine learning model
        >The idea the nobody is working on that is crazy
        There are people working on this. I almost took a job developing clinical ML systems where I would have been doing this.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well, I wish them luck. I work as a disability lawyer, and seeing hundreds of patients' psychiatry records that basically amount to nothing more than a doctor asking them how they feel and observing whether they're spazzing out is driving me nuts.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just because a branch of science has issues doesn't mean that it's pseudo-science.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate psychiatry but tom cruise attacks it not because psychiatry is literally just shit but because scientology practices its own even more moronic version of it, essentialy he don't want competition

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are we considering it a pseudoscience? There are ways to methodologically experiment and derive data within psychiatry. It's a relatively new and underdeveloped science, but it's not like the brain isn't driven by neurochemical processes that can be influenced. It's by far one of the most complicated systems we have access to with an incomprehensible amount of variance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cruise is a moron Scientologist who believes that mental illness is caused by alien souls parasiting the body, but it is true that Psychiatry is a pseudoscience that has no idea what it is talking about either. Almost all of the drugs on offer don't cure anyone, they just reduce symptoms along with shutting up the person such that they aren't a bother to anyone else but the patient still feels like shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Almost all of the drugs on offer don't cure anyone, they just reduce symptoms
        So drugs that help people with mental heath issues act more normal, is pseudoscience?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Read up on what the word "science" actually means. The drugs shut people up, they don't know how they work only that the schizo now no longer has the energy to do anything. There is no experimentation, their theories are bullshit and they know it, and they just steal from neurology and claim it as their own.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There is no experimentation
            yes there are. tf are you talking about?
            We have drug trials for psychiatric meds same as any other meds.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            psychiatrists do clinical trails all the time.

            Again, steal from neurology.
            There is no experimentation when it comes to psychiatric methods or theory. It's effectively philosophy.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >steal from neurology
            Science is collaborative and interconnected. All science is stolen from other science.
            >There is no experimentation when it comes to psychiatric methods or theory
            It takes less than 5 seconds and a search engine to disprove this.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Science is collaborative and interconnected. All science is stolen from other science.
            But that doesn't mean that astrology is true just because they talk in the language of astronomy.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If they applied the methodological practices of astronomy and derived theories from experimentation by using the scientific method it would be a science. Psychiatry is a whole lot more than "using the language" of neuroscience and psychology.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            applied the methodological practices of astrophysics*

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Psychiatry offers no new explanations, none of the talk therapies work any better than placebo, and their use of chemicals to shut up schizophrenics before dumping them on the street is borderline criminal.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Psychiatry offers no new explanations
            You're absolutely wrong about that. Categorization and methodological featurization are extremely important for the proper diagnosis of a patient. If there wasn't systematized criteria (and even, unfortunately, sometimes while there is) a misdiagnosis would be much more common. You'd be surprised how dramatic the difference is for treatment of one mental disorder versus another in the same diagnostic category. An example of this is bipolar and depression. Treatment for one does not work for the other. There aren't particularly adverse side effects (as long as you don't have a wildly incompetent physician that skips zinc and goes straight to a mood stabilizer) to a misdiagnosis, but it would hardly do anything to help the misdiagnosed patient.
            These categorizations have been derived from empirical data collected through, once again, methodologic approaches. Misdiagnosis is common and right now it still feels like psychiatrists are taking a shot in the dark. That will get better as time goes and a technology helps supplement the pattern recognition abilities in a way that a human can't feasibly notice (minute chemical changes and neurological activity). As far as treatment goes, however, outcomes have been steadily improving and the pharmaceutical side is important.
            https://www.mredscircleoftrust.com/storage/app/media/DSM%205%20TR.pdf

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >none of the talk therapies work any better than placebo
            The point of therapy is to make the patient feel better. If they have patterned or abnormal behaviors, therapists can help make recommendations to physicians to help alter medications. It's an important part of the process for many treatments to monitor the effects and often people aren't so equipped to medically describe what they're going through. Considering the aforementioned poor diagnostic accuracy it's especially important to recognize early on so adjustments can be made.
            But to be quite honest, therapy doesn't need to be the source of feeling better. That's a good venue and probably the most informed place to start, but any therapeutic activity is a healthy development in working to overcome or adapt to any amount of the mental disorder the patient is suffering. So yes; some people might be less receptive to therapy and should seek other activities to aid with treatment. But it's through a therapist that you would find this out. It's also a very important resource for people that are receptive to therapy. By default the stance, if you're concerned with positive treatment outcomes, should be to have a feel-good "placebo" with undertones of medical monitoring. And if that placebo doesn't work for you, the medical professional can make an informed decision on the direction of treatment courses.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >their use of chemicals to shut up schizophrenics before dumping them on the street is borderline criminal
            Unfortunately a lot of these people have a lot of trouble obtaining the medical assistance they're in need of. Treatment is not a one-and-done thing, but sometimes that's all these people can afford and/or get government assistance for. The frequency and intensity of mental disorders are exacerbated by poor life quality and traumatic experiences. These are the people most in need of the care and with the most severe symptoms. They're often overprescribed (and -frequently- misdiagnosed) because they don't have the resources to undergo long-term treatment programs. The best they can hope for is a week in inpatient care (psychiatric ward), but that puts them further in debt. It can cost $10,000 for a week in inpatient care. Sometimes people who don't have insurance and don't have the money to pay for this are legally forced to be admitted. This negative feedback loop continues and it's precisely because they don't have access to psychiatric treatment.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            psychiatrists do clinical trails all the time.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Everyone with half a brain knows that psychiatric cures aren't really cures, they just exist to shut you up and make you functional (tax paying coomer citizen).

        • 4 weeks ago
          Cult of Passion

          >act more normal
          Notice he didnt say *be* more normal (cured).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Results can vary, but with proper diagnosis and dosage there are very effective treatments. Again, the amount of variance that has to be considered concerning the human brain is incomprehensible. If we were just working on a static system, even one with the biological complexity of the human brain, we would almost certainly have treatments that are as consistent as any medical procedure. Drugs used to treat certain issues are effective at regulating the neurochemical processes (given the issue has been correctly diagnosed), the problem lies in how it affects other processes and how much that varies from person to person.
        >Almost all of the drugs on offer don't cure anyone
        There aren't a lot of neurological processes that can be "cured" with current technology. The ones that can, however, give evidence to the possibility that it can be done. All sciences started out rudimentary and imprecise. Without experimenting with leeches and herbs we never would have gotten to the point where infant mortality is negligible and getting an infection isn't fatal.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Neurobiology and studies on mental cases is fine, but how reliable are they? How repeatable/replicable are their results

        • 4 weeks ago
          Cult of Passion

          >how reliable are they
          100% if you can realize theyre lying to themselves so they will say lies with certainty and conviction.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's helped me, thats for sure
    i have ocd, and luvox has been a godsend

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cringe

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wish i had some ritalin but I'm gonna make it through this anyway.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean i like all things in life really
    the truth is in the middle
    mental illness genetic or brain damage is real and need help
    but not in life is treated by pills or therapist
    it´s complicated just going to suggest a book
    called myth of mental illness by thomas
    https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1D17D88DEB06B3A9E1890253D744EDAE

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sadly a necessity in the modern era to reword "religious" and traditional wisdom. Atheists still want God, they just don't want to call it such.

    A prime example are guys like Jordan Peterson, they conflate psychological themes with religious themes as if they're the same thing. Jung wasn't shy about it at all.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Behavioural psychology is actually scientific and proven to work, look up skinner and pavlov. Its just that cognitive psychology, which is what most talk therapies also rely on and which is the form psychiatry takes in movies and tv because its more entertaining to watch.
    The problem with the behavioural approach is that it relies either on the patient having little autonomy during the process, which is deemed unethical, or the full willing cooperation of the patient, which often does not work because mentally ill people are often very selfish and would rather keep their mental problems than do the work required to get rid of them.
    I mean if you post on this board you know how the schizos that post here are, they are always massive narccissists unwilling to even consider the possibility that they could be at fault for anything and arent the greatest and cleverest individuals in any given situation.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it pisses off someone as deeply closeted as Tom Cruise as much as it does then it as least funny as hell.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a pseudoscience, yes.

    Anyone who uses his position of authority to force-medicate people or drug children is worse than a street drug dealer and should be harshly punished.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who is Matt?????? Is he schizo????

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