what books should one read before experimenting with psychedelics? has jung said anything on the subject?

what books should one read before experimenting with psychedelics? has jung said anything on the subject? i've only read "modern man in search of soul" and while i got the strong impression he was for their use i can't remember any specific passage refering to them.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't recommend experimenting with that stuff. Even if you think yo're taking shrooms or lsd, you never know what it is exactly, or what it might be laced with (sure there are test kits, but most people don't use them). It really might frick up your emotional life, your concentration or reading ability. I only have one experience with that stuff and I think it might have contributed to my reading and writing ability getting a little bit fricked up. I'm still fine in those respects but there's sometimes just a slight feeling that the letters in my field of vision start sort of floating a bit in the edges of my vision. Sort of like I saw little glimpses of my brain constructing the image in real time. Also I have more brain fog, which my also be attributed to my depression. I feel like prior to my experience I used to be really good at thinking, writing and reading (in my first language, that is) but nowadays I feel like I'm only slightly above average in those respects.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you agree with me here

      I would avoid psychedelics. They won't do much beyond reinforce your prejudices and leave you feeling convinced this was some sort of enlightenment.

      Do you feel like the "insights" were just more of your own bullshit but with a quasi layer of false enlightenment backing them now

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Agree about what? Sure you should read books about the subject if you're interested. But what I'm saying is that you're better of not doing any psychedelics. Didn't give me any amazing insights, just horribly uncomfortable feelings and anxiety. And afterwards a gnawing in the back of my mind that I'd irreversably fricked up my brain (which I honestly might have) Idk what Jung thought about the subject, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that he tried a lot of that stuff.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not the OP, the reply I linked to was my own. When I did LSD I had what I thought was ego death and all these wild insights, but later I became convinced I'm just narcissistic and the drugs actually impeded any coming to terms with this. It further reinforced my bullshit.
          I agree with you that it's better not to touch these substances at all. I'm sorry that in your experience it only heightened your anxiety.
          I dont feel like I fricked up my brain per se, I can function, but I'm kind of cognitively slower, and I stutter and shit. So maybe, I get what you're saying a bit.

          Well be alright. But it would have been better not to do it.
          OP, don't do it. There's a reason everyone you know who's on drugs is a loser.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, I didn't experience ego death although my dose was relatively small. I still experienced a very altered state of consciousness and I think I got some "insights" which were honestly comparable to shower thoughts. Even while I was tripping I didn't find them very amazing, just really weird. I also forgot about most of them afterwards. You get better insights by writing down your dreams and analyzing them anyway.

            I don't think it reinforced my thought patterns, other than momentarily heightening the anxiety that's always been there.

            Saying it fricked up my brain is also a little bit of an exaggeration but as a temperamentally anxious person whose always suffered from hypochondric tendencies, I can't help but feel like the symptoms of some kind of change are there. It also might be real, although the change probably wasn't very significant. Also, there have been many other factors in my life which might've caused my occasional brain fog etc. I've been depressed for years and I've been on depression medication and stimulants. I'd been depressed prior to my trip as well.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Have you ever read Good Old Neon by David Foster Wallace?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think I have, a short story in on of his collections. What was it about again?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Suicide, and depressive narcissism. It's one of the greatest things I've ever read in any genre, and I think DWF sucks otherwise. Your description of your condition brought it to mind. Not implying you're a narcissist. But you're probably intelligent and cynical.
            Outstanding read.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fair enough warnings, but lacing shrooms would be an incredibly weird, rare, or unlikely thing to happen from what I know. Reasons: shrooms look and taste in a very specific way. They’re sold as dried psilocybin mushrooms, which, again, have this very specific look and taste. Drug-users may or may not be dumb, but those doing shrooms typically at least have enough sense to know what they should look like, and no one’s getting away very far with selling “fake shrooms”.

      Second, even in an out-there scenario, they could have dried non-psychoactive mushrooms that are simply dipped with some psychoactive liquid or sprinkled with some psychoactive powder. This would be noticeable and make the bag it comes in look rather weird. Also, at that point, they’re expending money on this liquid/powdered hallucinogen which they may as well just sell by itself anyway, and it’s probably worth more than shrooms. Or, they might even lace actual shrooms with something else, which again is a very weird scenario (why add extra things to shrooms? what profit would it make? and it would look odd and be recognizable, too).

      Now if you’re talking about acid, that’s something more likely to be laced or fake if not from a reputable seller and not tested. They can slip in 25I-NBOME instead as a tab, since nothing about just looking at a paper tab automatically tells you what’s in it is real or fake LSD or some other chemical.

      If you want psychedelic literature:
      Robert Anton Wilson’s Prometheus Rising
      R.A.W. Cosmic Trigger Vol. I: The Final Secret of the Illuminati
      Timothy Leary’s Exo-psychology: a manual on the use of the human nervous system according to the instructions of the manufacturers
      John C. Lilly’s Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer: Theory and Experiments
      The Center of the Cyclone: An Autobiography of Inner Space (Author ibid.)
      Carlos Castaneda’s books (you may not like it, but I’m at least 110% sure he did some of the psychedelics he described, including at least peyote, and wrote the works with inspiration from such experiences and the insights gained).

      I think Jung regarded the psychedelic experience as “interesting” and potentially revelatory of the deeper levels of the subconscious mind, but also warned against them as “revealing too many things too soon to users of them without users necessarily having the necessary psychological and even spiritual discipline to make use of such insights effectively in their day-to-day life.” Nevertheless, it is an apt insight that so much of Jung seems to apply to the psychedelic experience, from his “Red Book”/inner-dream-journey experiences to mandalas and all that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can often also buy spires and grow them yourself, the spores are even legal where I live.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's probably better if you read nothing and go in with no expectations.

      What did you take? I can't imagine mushrooms being laced with anything.

      Jünger wrote a good book on drugs. Approaches or something.
      Don't take drugs.

      What was his general argument?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I took what I believed to be lsd, didn't test it. And for all I know it might've been actual lsd and not laced with anything, although a lot of the stuff sold as lsd is actually 2cb, which probably isn't more harmful than the actual drug. And I probably didn't get any serious brain damage from it, but I definitely feel like something changed for the worse, which to be fair, might be just a feeling.

        Anyway, my point was that psychedelics could have very bad long-term effects (cognitive and emotional) on you even if it was exactly the stuff you bought it as. And in the cases that it's laced, counterfeit or impure, such effects are even more commonplace.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >although a lot of the stuff sold as lsd is actually 2cb
          Nope. 2cb is way more expensive than acid, so it would be completely moronic to do that. Also, 2cb usually comes in powder form and acid usually comes on blotter paper, so if you got 2cb in your acid (whatever that means) you would notice very quickly.
          >Anyway, my point was that psychedelics could have very bad long-term effects (cognitive and emotional) on you even if it was exactly the stuff you bought it as. And in the cases that it's laced, counterfeit or impure, such effects are even more commonplace.
          Psychedelics aren't for everyone. If you have any underlying conditions, which I suspect you do, then yeah they can bring those out. However, if you have a sound mind and adequately prepare, you aren't going to go insane or anything. Also, nobody laces psychs with anything because it is uneconomical, impractical, and the type of person who does that would find much more profit selling pressed pills.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if you have a sound mind
            ie. if you are unimaginative and moronic. It's really funny that the most stupid get to pretend privy to great insight simply due to the fact that they're so thick it won't affect them like it will affect anybody who would really get it, who, in turn, are not considered as mind explorers. Medicority really helps in the world, doesn't it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >nobody laces psychs with anything because it is uneconomical, impractical,
            Countless research chemicals invented every day, it's to bypass legality so the pushers would get lower sentences if caught. Again, have some imagination, or at least don't present your lack of imaginary capacities as regards to the possible dangers as some kind of solid knowledge which makes you more "able to make conclusions". If you didn't even think about what I said and still took psychedelics, even with testing(they dont show previously unknown rcs), you are a moronic monkey and that is the only reason you are able to enjoy things.

            >vague seething in my direction
            Seems I was right on all counts. Fwiw you're right that sometimes rc's are sold as other psychedelics, but you can often tell what you're taking even without a test kit (though if you can afford drugs you can afford a test kit, its a good investment). For example, if you take a tab of "acid" and its bitter, that means its actually something called NBOMe, and you should spit it out. "If its bitter, its a spitter."
            At the end of the day, if psychedelics aren't your thing then you never ever have to try them. But for a lot of people, they can create life changing experiences and you shouldn't discourage those who are curious for no good reason.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >nobody laces psychs with anything because it is uneconomical, impractical,
            Countless research chemicals invented every day, it's to bypass legality so the pushers would get lower sentences if caught. Again, have some imagination, or at least don't present your lack of imaginary capacities as regards to the possible dangers as some kind of solid knowledge which makes you more "able to make conclusions". If you didn't even think about what I said and still took psychedelics, even with testing(they dont show previously unknown rcs), you are a moronic monkey and that is the only reason you are able to enjoy things.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >nobody laces psychs with anything because it is uneconomical, impractical,
            Countless research chemicals invented every day, it's to bypass legality so the pushers would get lower sentences if caught. Again, have some imagination, or at least don't present your lack of imaginary capacities as regards to the possible dangers as some kind of solid knowledge which makes you more "able to make conclusions". If you didn't even think about what I said and still took psychedelics, even with testing(they dont show previously unknown rcs), you are a moronic monkey and that is the only reason you are able to enjoy things.

            laced shrooms, lol

            These days I wouldn't frick around with any street drugs, psych or otherwise, due to fetanyl and tranq. You think they wouldn't lace psychs with it, but these people are soulless monsters who's only interest is getting people hooked on something they'll keep coming back for. I admit it's unlikely, but not unheard of. The odds aren't worth it.
            Also, most "LSD" isn't LSD these days, it's a research Chem. The necessary components for extracting real Lucy are some of the most controlled substances in the West. LSD already does a number on the brain, just imagine what these weird chems might do. I probably did some back in the day without knowing and I'm a fricking moronic idiot, so there's that.
            The only one that might be okay to do sometimes is psilocybin, but I'd wait until they medicalize it so it comes from a trusted source. Thats inevitable in many states they're already moving in that direction. You could grow mushrooms at home to be safe, but then you risk legal issues, the odds you'd ever be caught or pursued if it's just for personal use are low, but I still think thats too much risk. Frick that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You have watched far too many vice documentaries and clearly lack street-sense.
            >The people pushing hard drugs are NOT the same people pushing psyches. They serve entirely different markets.
            >Lacing psychs with fent is beyond moronic, drugs are supposed to make a profit. Dealers would lose both money and customers, it's such a pointless and impractical endeavour.
            Less internet, more outdoors, newbie.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, you're just a moron who feels mad he didn't think about the fact that it's more practical to use novel research chemicals than genuine LSD. You weren't capable of thinking about this contingency: what you try to justify as "street-sense" is just your stupidity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Said everyone before this happened to them. I also admitted the odds are low, but not nothing, and in terms of the risk associated, that's too high.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know what to tell you but you can buy shrooms and lsd on the clearnet with good reviews in north america because the authorities literally do not care to shut down distributors over some shrooms and lsd

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've dropped hundreds of doses of acid and 2cb, and the latter is the far lighter and less traumatic experience
          >You didnt get fricked up by one psychedelic experience
          >If you did, its because you're predisposed to mental illness
          >Even then, you're still just a b***h that lacks willpower and awareness. Unless your bad trip was within the last 2 years you got no excuse; get over it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm definitely over it. I just want to offer a word of warning, since I think many people are way too lax about taking drugs. I'm not even anti-drug, it's just that people don't seem to be aware of the risks associated (especially when dealing with untested street drugs)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe you just always were just above average and just realized it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're just a fricking pussy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      laced shrooms, lol

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would avoid psychedelics. They won't do much beyond reinforce your prejudices and leave you feeling convinced this was some sort of enlightenment.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What, ego death is about abandoning your prejudices.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, I know. My point is that a drug induced ego death is a false one.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What? It let's you examine yourself without your prejudices, cured my depression. As Buddha says, after enlightenment, cut trees and collect water

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Unless you think you are, how can you know for sure? You are in a very different psychological state, and you can only believe you are "shedding your prejudices/curing your depression", when in actuality you are reinforcing or repressing them. It's completely possible that it helped you, but you shouldn't trust a drug-induced mindset.
            T. experimented with LSD and mushrooms, both felt as if I was making my problems worse

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Uhh cuz it made me realize how I was the source of all my problems and not to sweat the grind. Shrooms won't teach you calculus but they still show you how to master your domain

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You could have realized that trying to challenge yourself through dedication towards a craft, meditating on your issue daily, hard labor, exercise, or even getting therapy (without meds). Enlightenment isn't earthy knowledge like you said, but earthy knowledge can help you reach a higher point of understanding of reality.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah you can get the same through years of meditation, but mushrooms give a helpful boost of you listen

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know if I could garner anything from my trips other than anxious breakdowns and extreme nausea, with depressive symptoms afterwards. If anything I understood that using drugs to try and fix issues you have with yourself is a fools errand, and a sober lifestyle with realizations that you aren't immortal and an afterlife isn't guaranteed has done way more. I could have fricked myself, and I was taking a lot for granted. I didn't have some multidimensional sage tell me that, I came to the realization myself after the trip.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, good for you but it helped me

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To add onto this, anything that seems to be easy that promises enlightenment seems like bullshit. Nothing good comes without effort. Buddha had to starve himself and meditate almost every day before he reached enlightenment. I would trust that more than a one-time-use "panacea". I only show interest in psychedelics because its an interesting part of our reality, but I will probably never take any hallucinogen again, I'm even trying to cut marijuana out of my life, but I will probably come back to it later.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again, it's not that it taught me any esoteric knowledge. I always knew deep down that I just needed to lift and run more but mushrooms got me beyond my negative thought patterns that was keeping me from committing to something for it to change

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Our trips were very different, but I am glad that you are doing better than what you were. However, I still believe forcing something to happen is a very bad idea that can leave you with bigger problems afterwards.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Albert Hofmann, "LSD: My Problem Child"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also Aldous Huxley, "The Doors of Perception"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        already read it. wasn't impressed.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >can you give me second hand information so I don't have to experience something for myself and build my own understanding
    Maybe Tate was right about readers...

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jünger wrote a good book on drugs. Approaches or something.
    Don't take drugs.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP here. To clarify my intentions, i'm not seeking any kind of spiritual guidence, in fact i've called myself a proud hylic in the past. i do not believe in anything outside of the material world, i just think that going from cradle to grave without trying psychedelics would be like never travelling, never eating meat, or never having sex. i just want get as much out of my time here as i can and doing psychedelics (in moderation and with preperation) is part of that. i've read a lot of trip reports but think i need something more in the way of guidence. i recently tried mushrooms and salvia. i'll post the trip report here, unedited for your entertainment:
    >went on a short bicycle ride and dosed mushrooms at 1046 in the park.i also ate two thc cookies but they were weak.i fend that dispemsary edibles tend to be weak. had a second mushroom at 1100. at 1126 i was feeling prickly and doesed salvia. at the point where if i got one bit higher i wrote this. i could not hold the pipe one more time. because at my absolute highest i can always smoke more. the last thing that remains is that i must become an author. no matter howhigh i get i'm only ever in this exqct moment. i feel that i am very much here in this exact moment. i feel sober for the first time in ages. i worry that if this is some sort of peak it isnt much. i opted to take a cliff bar which i hat brought. i did not know when i bought it it that sugar reduces the effects of mushrooms. the moment feels long. i am sitting on a hill in a park. there are many cows around. solittle is happenimg that i can watch my thoghts grow into the things thst become words .it is difficult to pass the moment so i will put this journal down and rest ifeel that i am exactly as high is a deserve to be. any more and i'd be gone. but it's my birthday. so i can rest a bit.at 1210 i checkedfor cows. a moment is a long, long, time. at 1210 i checked for cows at 1219 i am still here. on the hill. if i get any higher i'll lose it. it is 1240 on my birthday. this afternoon i will watch some television because it is my birthday.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats a very strange trip, sounds so dry and uneventful

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i felt it was a good one. what i was trying to get across was that with the salvia i was getting to the point where if i got any higher i would be too high to write. there were even times i didn't remember who i was though they only lasted a second or so. i got a flash of being a homeless man who breifly came down from his high and said aloud to a passerby, "i may not always know what i am but i always know how to hit the pipe". just then the mushrooms took over and i realized i didn't want to be so high i didn't know who i was, not just then at least. i was in the middle of a very nice moment that i had created and i didn't want to be anywhere else. i feel like the effects of the mushroom manifested in making my hyperaware of my situation. it was difficult to dwell on either the padt or the future and it was impossible to lie to myself. if thought "one day i will die" there was no tiny voice protesting with "i might not though". to quote Evan S. Connell "i feel like i could solve ancient riddles or find mushrooms in a fog". i was a little worried that i had accidentally imbued the day with too much feeling of finality and that i was sort of setting up my death but i was able to dispell that by adding the line about tv.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >salvia

          Ew

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nonono sal-vi-a, not saliva.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i've read a lot of trip reports but think i need something more in the way of guidence
      Honestly, you really don't. As long as you're taking reasonable dosages in a good set and setting, its just a fun time. Do whatever makes you comfortable of course, but it seems like you're unreasonably worried.

      Thats a very strange trip, sounds so dry and uneventful

      >salvia

      Ew

      No need to be a dick.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Becoming more "slow" in normal terms implies progress, tuning into higher realities which is why its harder to deal with the basic one.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gravity's Rainbow

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how about don’t?
    what if you’re one if the unlucky ones whose psyche can’t handle it?
    there would be no way of knowing beforehand, and so the risk-benefit breakdown is this:
    a lifetime of mental health problems, medication, visits to the psych ward, inability to have relationships…
    vs
    whoa man that was trippy.
    t. one of the unlucky ones

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can know if your psyche cant tolerate psychonaut voyages
      >you get schizo with weed? Then stay the frick away
      >you get beligerant with booze, then stay away
      >need SSRIs for your "depression"? Then stay away
      Simple as

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Another thing to cross off the list of my ever dwindling possibilities in life, then. Nice. I seethe at drug users.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None, perhaps this is the /x/ bubbling out in me but it is far more enlightening to simply do the drugs before reading about them, otherwise the literature will guide your experience in a psychosomatic way instead of experiencing it genuinely and honestly.
    If you are going to take drugs in the first place, that is.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pic related so you know the realer than real stuff when you experience it. Indeed, NDEs are actually irrefutable proof that heaven really is awaiting us all because (1) people see things during their NDEs when they are out of their bodies that they should not be able to under the assumption that the brain creates consciousness, and (2) anyone can have an NDE and everyone is convinced by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

    So any atheist or materialist or agnostic would be too if they had an NDE, so pic related is literally irrefutable proof of life after death. As one NDEr pointed out:

    >"I'm still trying to fit it in with this dream that I'm walking around in, in this world. The reality of the experience is undeniable. This world that we live in, this game that we play called life is almost a phantom in comparison to the reality of that."

    If NDEs were just hallucinations then extreme atheists and neuroscientists who had NDEs would agree that they were halluinations after having them. But the opposite happens as NDEs convince every skeptic when they have a really deep NDE themselves.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do psychedelics make people so cringe?

    >We are all ONE bro we are the universe experiencing itself!! Light that sage bro!! Everything is love!!!

    Meanwhile I have extreme panic attacks on them, deeply reinforce my pesimistic biases and feel the world's a horrorscape of violence and suffering. Deeply hate everyone and feel violent and terror towards others. Kill birds by swinging branches if they get too close to me. Found a seal once dying of starvation pathetically struggling to climb a rock. Man that was fricked I was on mescaline and decided to end its misery and came up behind with a rock and bashed it in the fricking head as hard as I could. Guess what? Didn't die at all it's not like the movies it started making this horrible barking noise and got aggressive, was bleeding from its head I was panicking so fricking hard just assaulted it for no reason and made its situation worse so I got another rock and just two handed bashed it in the face it took like 8 blows before it was unconscious then I dropped a massive rock on its head to make sure it died.

    Then I just sat back on the rocks and cried, hallucinating wildly, vowing to never interfere in nature again.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is shulgin good?

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Le ego death is so stupid, literally girl Tik tok video tier. You need an ego to function as a healthy human.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Okay but I'm on shrooms

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Psychedelics are a waste of time

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're a waste of sperm, dirty Black person.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what books should one read before experimenting with psychedelics?
    I have tripped about 200 times. I found "The Psychedelic Experience" by Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert to have really helpful advice for having good trips and avoiding freakouts/paranoia. I read it after my first or second time tripping.

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