What Causes Obesity?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >obesity defined as too much mass for size
    >however could people gain more mass if not by consuming sugar
    Brainlet morons.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dysgenics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Your Andrew Tate level of intellect is dysgenic. A dark age is when being a scumbag is a more successful strategy than being an honest intellectual. That's where your loop already breaks down.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Perhaps an easier way to think of it is that if you’ve low intelligence you’re even more fricked than someone with high intelligence. Instead of 80% child mortality you get just 50%.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you assume intelligence is less strongly selected for in dark ages compared to a complex civilisation with stuff like welfare and infrequent famine due to trade routes?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The genetic process you're describing happens over tens of thousands of years, not in a civilization's lifespan
      Like how america became majority obese in only half a century.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The genetic process you're describing happens over tens of thousands of years, not in a civilization's lifespan
        You have zero evidence for this statement. You pulled it out of your ass. It's on the same level of intellectualism as flat earthers. The only thing we know for certain about human evolution, gene selection, and gene expression right now is that it is vastly more complex and quixotic than was "known" 20-30 years ago.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I get why you might say this, so let’s suppose the genetic change between an ancestor and their own descendants can only move slowly. We can still observe a rapid change in the average genetics of of such a species if there is a large degree of genetic variance.
        E.g in humans we could see average IQ change rapidly in a population if there was a high variance in IQ to start with say 60-130. The way you could force the average IQ to change is by only breeding people with below 85 IQ; within a single generation the average IQ drops to somewhere below 85 IQ. Hope this helps.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      True. There's a reason countries like Japan and Israel aren't having exponential increases in obesity.

      The genetic process you're describing happens over tens of thousands of years, not in a civilization's lifespan
      Like how america became majority obese in only half a century.

      You seriously think Travellers evolved to be fricked up over 10k+ years?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So it's just 'strong men create good times' bullshit but with extra steps? Lmao.
      Dutton is a moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, cycles have feedback loops.

        go leave

        You may not like it but genetic deterioration due to civilization induced relaxation of Darwinian selection pressures leading to the collapse of civilisation is scientific and political. Many things for that matter are both political and scientific.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      go leave

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Environmental factors that affect the way our homeostasis for blood pressure, insulin, thyroid-related hormones, sex hormones, etc. is working.
    On that note, did rising rates of body fat have an impact on penis size, not necessarily in long-term?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this
      also overeating because of a poor diet lacking in vital micronutrients
      calories=/=nutritients
      cico is for morons

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >calories=/=nutritients
        There're like 40 essential nutrients. It's obvious that calories, Proteins-(essential) Fats-carbohydrates aren't the whole diet. Only boomers thought that you could be healthy eating hamburgers, pastry and drinking beer.

        >cico is for morons
        says the dysfunctional dipshit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Over-eating.

          >also overeating because of a poor diet
          Shut the frick up moron. Just eat less.

          You can lose weight on a diet of McVinegaryShits alone. Fat fricks like you just have excuses all the time.

          found the morons
          nobody would be obese if they ate a natural diet because all of their nutritional needs would be fille, they would be satiated and full long before the possibility of reaching a caloric surplus necessary to become a landwhale was ever possible
          but do go ahead and do your yoyo cuts and bulks on grains, vegs, processed meats and whatever other slave food morons like you consume while wasting your lives away

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Over-eating.

        >also overeating because of a poor diet
        Shut the frick up moron. Just eat less.

        You can lose weight on a diet of McVinegaryShits alone. Fat fricks like you just have excuses all the time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this
      also overeating because of a poor diet lacking in vital micronutrients
      calories=/=nutritients
      cico is for morons

      What confuses me with the nutritional deficiencies or environmental factors that slow metabolism is. Why are people much taller now?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Environmental factors
      yeah environmental factors that make people lazy gluttons. You know that feeling you get when your "full"? If you're eating to that point daily you're eating way too much.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Erosion of discipline and food being designed to be as addictive as possible.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mentally disabled blue check

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bad food

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Malnutrition. It's cells with dead mitochondria.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too many calories going in. Not enough calories going out.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What Causes Obesity?
    capitalism + marketing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Gas All Communists

      You post that bounty of food as though it's something to be ashamed of

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You post that bounty of food as though it's something to be ashamed of

      those are gross food you ameritards eat every day. frick, it shouldn't even be legal to let swines eat them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >gross
        >fresh meats
        >fresh vegetables

        I will admit the random pile of cheese slices is bizarre but there's nothing wrong with the rest of it in terms of quality, it's just too much food.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Deep fried food is pretty bad and doesn't add that much to the flavour. Replace the fries with oven baked potatos, the sugary buns wuth real buns and the food would be ok.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does corn syrup count as sugar?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Answered my own question (yes), meaning that the correct answer is:

      Too many calories going in. Not enough calories going out.

      This guy.

      Now the real question is where are the excess calories coming from, if not from sugar.

      Fat?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Now the real question is where are the excess calories coming from, if not from sugar
        You can't possibly be this frickin moronic.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >everyone buys sugar shit because no one knows better
        >per capita sugar and obesity goes up
        >non-fatsos get wise and start cutting sugar, despite not being obese (from genetics/lifestyle)
        >fatties keep going
        >per capita sugar does down
        >obesity keeps going

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hey just wondering but if you charted the % of america that isn't white on that chart would it match that line going up?

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Delayed effect of excess sugar.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X19301364

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the polyol pathway will convert glucose to fructose causing the metabolic effects of fructose on the body if your starch intake is high enough and other factors that trigger it are correct also the body compensates for low nutritional content of food by eating more

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can gain weight by consuming other stuff than sugar so i think people just eat more fat and other carbonhydrates and eat less sugar. what i wonder is what causes people to eat less sugar? i could think that anti sugar sentiment became popular around 1995 which made people avoid sugar but this didnt change anything about the weight, it just made them compensate for it by eating more stuff which has less sugar.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    high fructose corn syrup

    • 4 weeks ago
      Bill

      gay

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Less physical activity, people sit on desk now more than ever and we have transportation from air, land and sea, there's very little reason to walk even when a vehicle is always carrying you

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Walmart

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now post seed oil and animal fat/butter etc intake in those years

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is this all sugars or just sucrose (aka white sugar)
    how does overall carbs intake look on top of this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably just sucrose, i doubt people consume less sugar with all the consumption of processed foods

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        According to the author, it's all sugar

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cool
          now do all carbs

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dietary polyunsaturated fats (notably the omega 6 linoleic acid which is particularly bad as it can bio-accumulate in monogastrics, messes with the 3:6 omega ratio in cell makeup and endocannabinoid interactions) drive chronic insulin sensitivity which causes insulin to be more effective at signalling fat storage in adipocytes, obesity. Eventually as the body seeks homeostasis mechanisms like increased basal lipolysis and elevated branched chain amino acids counter this PUFA driven insulin sensitivity by causing pathological insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes.
    Historically human exposure to significant dietary amounts of this type of fat has been highly seasonal and been associated with fattening-up/slowing-down for a long cold winter in higher latitudes. Think eating nuts like squirrels or hibernating mammals fattening up in autumn. With the industrial revolution driving the inception of the vegetable oil industry as a replacement to whale oil for machinery and then the rationing of animal fats and some shoddy science and moral idealogues in the 20th century we are now chronically exposed to this type of fat which most people are not genetically adapted for.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It couldn't possibly be that people are eating more calories and exercising much less
      >It's gotta be this one fat found in nuts, eggs, and chickens that's been proven to be necessary to live and generally good for you
      Everything I read suggests that higher linoleic acid intake reduces type-2 diabetes risk.
      Humans have consumed it forever, and compared with other things its intake hasn't increased in recent decades.
      Type-2 diabetes and insulin resistance can be totally reversed by losing weight, not by simply reducing consumption of polunsaturated fats.
      Calories in, calories out.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Everything I read suggests that higher linoleic acid intake reduces type-2 diabetes risk.
        ... they run an experiment that shows it increases insulin sensitivity without seeing that is the problem causing the issue. Their flawed paradigm has caused the worsening of the problem over the past half century not any relief, everyone knows if you give a diabetic insulin they get fatter.
        It is very easy to get something published if it sucks up to "heart healthy" fats are causes a superficially beneficial result on a cheap/easy to measure metric like c reactive protein or insulin/glucose.

        >Humans have consumed it forever, and compared with other things its intake hasn't increased in recent decades.
        I partially addresed this with the seasonality but really you are just wrong here in terms of scale. If you want a mainstream academic to go on about how much more linoleic acid we a re consuming these days I think the book "omega balance" has the info in it. But you can also find schizo info graphics easily online.

        > Type-2 diabetes and insulin resistance can be totally reversed by losing weight
        I should have been more clear. Yes losing weight reduces the compensatory up regulated basal lipolysis from he distended adipocytes. It is a band aid and the data plays that out. Weight loss is almost never maintained over several years 95%+ gain it all back with many being fatter. The actual cause of the dysfunction isn't being addressed and metabolism (especially for warm blooded mammals) is more complex than we like to pretend.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm the guy you replied to, yes it's complicated, and yes there are things in the environment now that definitely frick with metabolism and hormones (I'm a T1D, I'm invested in learning these things), but what makes you think Omega-6 is responsible? You could make a better (though not solid) case for many things, like BPA, PFAS, or medicine metabolites in the water and food. What makes you think linoleic acid plays a role?

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Video games and television

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Calories in, calories out.
    This is just an axiomatic tautology and human biology is so complex with chaotic emergent behaviour that the first law of thermodynamics is out of its weight class for utility. Like all tautologies they should be judged by their fruits. The obvious plan from CICO is "eat less, move more", let's look at the past 50 years for the fruits of that strategy... Also doubly labelled water data pretty much sinks any simple ideas of how to influence either side of the equation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Last 50 years see people move less and eat more and this refutes the notion that eating less and moving more will make you lose weight? Just eat less fatty.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >axiomatic tautology
      Don't bother because they don't even know what that means i.e. they don't know whether they're looking at a cause or an effect and at a problem or a symptom. They don't care either and ''solve'' each tautology with another tautology like willpower, discipline and such. It's all about shifting collective and environmental problems onto individuals but don't dare to speak like that because then you look like a woke-left commie and that's bad because...because...blue haired troony degeneracy okay?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>This is just an axiomatic tautology and human biology is so complex with chaotic emergent behaviour that the first law of thermodynamics is out of its weight class for utility.
      well it can't be this complex since for millions of years there was no obesity

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there was definitely no obesity back then, i can prove it
        >something not occurring and then beginning to occur means it cannot be complex

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yea people weren't autistically tracking calories for thousands of years and they weren't getting morbidly obese and type 2 diabetes. Something changed, something that has been getting worse over the last century. And it isn't just "food availability" there has been food overabundance in history, hell even just pre ww1 america if you want a bunch of sugar eating thin sedentary office workers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's food availability. And most foods available now are mostly carbs. It really is that simple. My dad, not grandpa, dad - grew up on a farm in the 50s and food was just not as easy to get or store then.
          People are eating more calories and exercising less, it really is that simple.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I blame the food scientists. they figured our how to make really tasty food. have you ever had a Cheez-It cracker? product of millions of dollars of research, and well spent since those things are more addictive than crack.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also doubly labelled water data pretty much sinks any simple ideas of how to influence either side of the equation.
      Wrong. Unlike you I've actually read Pontzers work and (this is the important part) understood it. He explicitly says in his book Burn that CICO is undeniable. All he argued is that it's a dynamic function, which is obvious to anyone who's ever tracked their calories. Instead of whining about how da israelites made you fat or whatever cope you have, accept responsibility that you're a fat pig with no discipline.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This is just an axiomatic tautology
      It's still true though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >let's look at the past 50 years for the fruits of that strategy
      You mean where people moved less, ate more, and got giga-fat? Are you moronic? Factors influencing CICO are complex. CICO itself is straight forward and incontrovertible. How likely someone is to eat like a shit head for example is famously very genetic, but it's still filtered through CICO. It doesn't change CICO, just how you approach its crucible.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's just calories in vs. calories out. Wealthy people can get loads of calories in while spending few calories out. All of the west is globally wealthy, so they all have obesity problems.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A culture that tolerate fat people.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    calories intake

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are people hyperphagic? Why isn't thermogensis being up regulated? Why has the average body temperature actually declined?

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Stop naming it sugar
    >Hey look, our sugar overconsumption is gone

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People ate more and moved less

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they add industrial oils to everything

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sneed oils,alcohol,sugar/carbs

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You cause it to yourself. Yes (You)

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sitting on our asses.

    100% is the cause

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mass production of food, mass advertisement, mass lobbying and everything that goes with all of those things
    It all boils down to industrialization and its consequences

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the unabombtard

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody can say. Anyone claiming to know is wrong. All you can say is that it's bad luck.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not exercising.

    >Walmart and onions notwithstanding.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it's sugar!
    >it's high fructose corn syrup!
    >if i eat carbs that digest a bit slower, it's fine!
    It's all carbs dummy. But most are too weak to shallow the whole redpill.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Explain how I eat all of those things and remain lean & muscular? Natty too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fast metabolism, drug/dopamine resistance or whatever. The point is there is a huge percentage of people that can't handle it. I'm convinced most humans are straight up not adapted for it.

        >humans used to pick seeds and berries, survive on just that. SEEDS and berries.
        >fast forward thousands of years.
        >make seed superconcentrate so that one tablespoon has 200 calories, in liquid form to make 100% of the calories bioavailable as opposed to limited due to mastication and digestion
        >include that oil in EVERYTHING

        Its oil. That simple. Stop cooking with oil, stop frying foods, just eat like a normal person.

        You aren't surviving on fricking seeds and berries before the agricultural revolution lmao. They caught/trapped/scavenged animals. If you aren't eating carbs, no amount of fat is going to get you fat because it will get unpalatable and you would feel too full before you could eat enough to make you obese.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The point is there is a huge percentage of people that can't handle it.
          Yes, the people who are unnaturally sedentary. Humans didn't evolve sitting around on their asses all day, driving cars everywhere and working desk jobs. We evolved walking everywhere, hunting prey, gathering plant foods, playing in physical ways, fricking & fighting.
          Nowadays we all work sedentary jobs, have sedentary home lives & sedentary "recreation" (vidya/movies/tv). At the same time, hyper-palatable food is overabundant for even the poorest in society.
          The rise in obesity is 100% down to our lifestyles. Sure, a zero-carb diet might result in better health outcomes for sedentary people, but the sedentary lifestyle remains the ultimate problem.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lmao@this moron who still believes in the fairy tale of evolution.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We all have our own fairy tales.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's bullshit. Your metabolism is fricked up, and you can't use sugar as fuel.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Everyone was eating carbs 100 years ago and they were fine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Carbs are goated if you're using them. Nothing tops off glycogen better. Using them is key. Eating a ton of pasta because you're skiing like a mad man is vastly different from eating a ton of pasta because you like italian food.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >humans used to pick seeds and berries, survive on just that. SEEDS and berries.
    >fast forward thousands of years.
    >make seed superconcentrate so that one tablespoon has 200 calories, in liquid form to make 100% of the calories bioavailable as opposed to limited due to mastication and digestion
    >include that oil in EVERYTHING

    Its oil. That simple. Stop cooking with oil, stop frying foods, just eat like a normal person.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any answer that isn't over-eating is just wrong and stupid and an excuse for fatties to blame something other than their own actions.

    There was a guy who lost weight on a diet of only McDonalds, so shut the frick up about saying it's anything other than over-eating. It should be obvious, but since you're all moronic, health is more than just weight and a diet of only McShits isn't healthy.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Try eating less, dumb fricks. It is literally, entirely, that simple.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fatties be like
    >Muh slow metabolism
    >Yur fast metabolism
    Yet can never quantify precisely how fast or slow a normal metabolism is, let alone the difference in rates, not to mention the mechanisms that causes the (small) variations in metabolism. Idiots, the lot of them.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sneed oils

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the effects of sedentary lifestyle directly correlating with "screen time". Basically the electronic home entertainment which began subtly enough with VCRs and Ataris, but became more and more aggressive time sinks (Nintendo, Internet, Playstations, XBox, and 100" TVs) to the point there is less and less need to leave the home to be entertained.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Industry in the west has been outlawed and made unprofitable by environmental regulations and wage laws. People in the past kept fit incidentally from their job.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chinamen consume söy all the time. Yet they're not.obese.

      Take your meds.

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