What does it mean to be a real American?

>killing Indians
>being in America before the civil war
Is this it? OR:
>able to trace lineage back to mayflower
And should all Americans that fall out of the founding stock be considered immigrants? Even if they've been here for quite some generations?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am of founding stock. My great x8 grandfather was part of the great protestant migration to the Connecticut colony. None of us were directly involved in Native American conflicts and we were all northerners during ther antebellum and post-bellum periods. As long as you're willing to assume an American identity, that outta be enough imo. My biggest gripe with Ellis-Islanders is that most of them choose hyphenated identities.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      would 1800 be considered founding stock? i have ancestors from Quebec who hopped over to NY during that time

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "founding stock" would generally only refer to people that immigrated when America were still colonies or during the war for independence, since it was those generations that actually founded the country, hence "founding stock"

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Quebec might as well count since they were here since the 1600s too.
          Like the Afrikaners in South Africa, the Quebecois are a very tight knit ethnogroup who have a strong attachment to the land they sit on, having underwent a solid ethnogenesis centuries apart from France.

          https://i.imgur.com/jBDYv1A.png

          >killing Indians
          >being in America before the civil war
          Is this it? OR:
          >able to trace lineage back to mayflower
          And should all Americans that fall out of the founding stock be considered immigrants? Even if they've been here for quite some generations?

          At this point senpai, anyone whose not a hyphenated weirdo is the best we can get. I think it's moronic to focus on bloodlines, but there should be an ABSOLUTE commitment to assimilation and accepting the "standard narrative" of Americana (which is to say, NO FRICKING HYPHENATED identity, NO FRICKING ANTICONSTITUTIONAL THEOCRACTIC larping, and NO GOD DAMN SELF FLAGELLATING ICONOCLASM).
          I'll take 1 million Koreans who assimilated and name their kids shit like "Andrew Johns" over a single self-hating white Anglo-Saxon hippy who supports the suicidal identity politics we see today.
          The black American is a special case too. They're undeniably entitled to a place in America by virtue of the absolute tragedy that is their history; involuntarily taken from their African homeland and shipped away to a foreign land to pick cotton by people who hate you, there's no squaring this circle, we fricked these people over immensely and basically forced them into existence.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I would consider original stock canadians more american than 50% of americans today

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wdym by this?

            https://i.imgur.com/nXrzTBJ.jpeg

            Quebec might as well count since they were here since the 1600s too.
            Like the Afrikaners in South Africa, the Quebecois are a very tight knit ethnogroup who have a strong attachment to the land they sit on, having underwent a solid ethnogenesis centuries apart from France.
            [...]
            At this point senpai, anyone whose not a hyphenated weirdo is the best we can get. I think it's moronic to focus on bloodlines, but there should be an ABSOLUTE commitment to assimilation and accepting the "standard narrative" of Americana (which is to say, NO FRICKING HYPHENATED identity, NO FRICKING ANTICONSTITUTIONAL THEOCRACTIC larping, and NO GOD DAMN SELF FLAGELLATING ICONOCLASM).
            I'll take 1 million Koreans who assimilated and name their kids shit like "Andrew Johns" over a single self-hating white Anglo-Saxon hippy who supports the suicidal identity politics we see today.
            The black American is a special case too. They're undeniably entitled to a place in America by virtue of the absolute tragedy that is their history; involuntarily taken from their African homeland and shipped away to a foreign land to pick cotton by people who hate you, there's no squaring this circle, we fricked these people over immensely and basically forced them into existence.

            >Quebec since the 1600s
            Not just Quebec. Canada’s Anglo maritime colonies are virtually just as old. St John’s, Newfoundland, was established in like 1497, even, albeit not properly lived upon until like another century thereafter. But still, with the planting of the English flag there was the establishment of English law in the region.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Quebec might as well count since they were here since the 1600s too.
            Founding stock of Canada, not the USA
            >Like the Afrikaners in South Africa, the Quebecois are a very tight knit ethnogroup who have a strong attachment to the land they sit on, having underwent a solid ethnogenesis centuries apart from France.
            That's the issue you dumbass, its a weird perverse attachement to "the old country" typically shared by Ellis Island stock instead of a full commitment to a new national identity.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Founding stock of Canada, not the USA
            New England arguably has more in common with Quebec than with Texas tbh

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The black American is a special case too. They're undeniably entitled to a place in America by virtue of the absolute tragedy that is their history; involuntarily taken from their African homeland and shipped away to a foreign land to pick cotton by people who hate you, there's no squaring this circle, we fricked these people over immensely and basically forced them into existence.
            I'm curious as to why you don't consider this view to be a part of the suicidal identity politics that you despise? Someone could say the same for Native Americans with regard to their current status and then it'll just spiral into the thing you hate.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Definitely of Canadian founding stock. Most Quebeckers (actual Quebeckers — white, multi-generational and most likely French-speaking, whose ancestors were French citizens/subjects until 1763) are the descendants of the settlers from France who came in the early-to-mid 1600s. At a guess, it is with almost complete certainty that you are a part of this demographic. I am as well, but that I know for sure because I’ve done the genealogical research. I’m only fractionally French-Canadian — two of my great-great-great grandparents were from what was then called Lower Canada — and both of them had family lines going back to the founding of New France, with most of their own North American French ancestors arriving in the mid-1600s. Only a few of the number had come from places in France in the early 1700s. And then in another line of my family, I’ve got early New England settlers to Massachusetts and Connecticut as some of my other earliest North American ancestors, the earliest I can reliably trace landing in 1636. Unfortunately a few of the lines in that same branch of the family end without being able to be traced further back; the simplistic nature of the records then unfortunately did not always include the names of the bride’s parents, so it’s almost as if some of my many-times great grandmothers materialized out of thin air. So I only assume that I might have some of the original Puritans as my ancestors, but at least with my French Canadian line I know for certain that I’m a descendant of several of ‘Les premiers colons de Québec.’ You probably are as well, and as mentioned, most actual Quebeckers are.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >in order to be a real citizen of this country, your ancestors had to have come here a minimum of about 160 years ago
    Are there any other modern nations that have this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, but only because the USA is, by technicality, one of the oldest countries on Earth. Not civilization, there are obviously much older civilizations out there, just country. Most European national founding documents were written in the 20th century for example.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Palestinians refuse to aknowledge that israelites who have been in Palestine for over 70 years are at home there

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you have an agricultural lineage you're american. Of course british stock is the msot important thing, although there were some germans that weren't completely shit. If you're any sort of catholic you're not american

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you're any sort of catholic you're not american
      Maryland was founded by George Calvert as a refuge for Catholics.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's unironically "over", regarding this discussion. The USA of the 1820s just doesn't exist at all, it's fricking gone and as dead as the people who lived back then, nothing we do can Ctrl-Z this.
    The USA that exists today is a creation of Ellis Island'ization

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ellis island wasn’t really the problem, there were at least still standards then and the immigrants were European and thus culturally compabtible for the most part. But progressivism really started in the Woodrow Wilson era, and then accelerates in the 60s culturally with marxist subversion really taking hold. Like with all marxist disasters there’s a delayed reaction before affects are really felt which is where we are arriving now. And yeah, at this point the damage is almost certainly irreversible.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some definitions of pre-civil war ancestry and the like are solid, but it ends up being so wordcel-y when there is no definitive way to filter out the shit element. I love the concept of what was primarily Anglos facing the elements and fighting a war on nature and etc... But look at our cities now. It's the most blackpilling thing ever.

    Also I like the Irish and Italian and kraut element that came after the civil war. I think it's going to be out there in the muck of it, the stuff that is anathematic to the ""managerial ""elite""""" of our era that will give rise to a new American identity.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Father's Father
    Cajun ->before civil war

    >Father's Mother
    Appalachian Scots-Irish ->before civil war

    >Mother's Father
    Appalachian Scots-Irish ->before civil war

    >Mother's Mother's Father
    Appalachian Scots-Irish->before civil war

    >Mother's Mother's Mother
    Italian from Calabria ->after civil war

    do I count as a foundational American?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what does it mean
    multiple replies incoming

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Z1ikofH.jpeg

      >rising tide of color

      https://i.imgur.com/tDrU5EF.jpeg

      >melting pot mistake

      https://i.imgur.com/3dt408c.jpeg

      >self destruct

      https://i.imgur.com/5CgkyMd.jpeg

      >fate of empires

      Im not arguing against your point or the argument made here, but you guys really need to fricking learn how to make your arguments.

      NO ONE is going to read this fricking shit off the start when its concerning weird, off the cuff conspiracy theory stuff. "Its not a conspiracy theory its real!" Okay, I believe you, but you need to realize that the average normie isnt going to see it like that.

      Basically, you guys need to learn how to concise your argument into an easy to understand and digestible form that any normie can easily grasp.

      >but theres a lot of information!
      I get that, you give them the long reading material AFTER you have their attention.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I made those infographics
        I do not understand your complaining
        >kek

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >rising tide of color

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >melting pot mistake

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >self destruct

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fate of empires

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Being born in the Americas. Unless the word you're looking for is unitedstatian.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The proper demonym is American for someone born in the USA. If you want to overgeneralize, then North, Central, or South American serve that purpose.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Look senpai let's not pretend Asians in this country aren't objectively more civilized than even the whites. Not every white guy is a refined WASP or respectable European.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >let's not pretend Asians in this country aren't objectively more civilized than even the whites
      Plenty of despicable White trash here, but not my point - Asians didn't settle this land and bring high trust civilization to it, and with everything that comes with that
      Asians can be more civilized, sure, but they've also historically come here legally, which ensured we got a much higher caliber type of them than say hispanics
      But Asians are still among the nonwhites I mentioned who came to reap the bounty of the White man's work, they just are higher enough IQ than blacks and browns to respect, appreciate and help maintain it

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    John Brown is the only true American to ever have existed

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    America has always beena loose conglomerate of individuals looking out for themselves. There's never been a real American archetype, for one to exist would be to go against the American project.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love how americans seethe when they are told the historical fact that they have no history, no culture. America is just a country for the british bourgeois tax evaders to base society on GDP kek

    It's pathetic that all americans have in their shitty life is the romanticisation of bourgeois democracy

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