What exactly wrong is getting drunk, having sex with multiple women, and acquiring lots of money?

What exactly wrong is getting drunk, having sex with multiple women, and acquiring lots of money? Why is hedonism such a bad thing?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It stops being fulfilling once you acquire it, only the chase was keeping you engaged. If it's unfulfilling and damages your personal relationships, then it's bad

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >getting drunk
      alcohol is a poison
      >having sex with multiple women
      A shallow unfulfilling pursuit that cheapens the bond of sex and is also risky
      >acquiring lots of money
      nothing wrong with that

      But isn't the point of living is to enjoy it as much as you can as long as you're not hurting anyone else? Like maybe you can consume alcohol moderately, treat the women you have sex with respect and dignity, and acquiring money in an ethical, fair manner. If it stops being fulfilling then you can do something else, but if it fulfills another person then is it still wrong?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If people are running around banging each other then there are less stable families raising stable children who will grow up to contribute to and improve society.

        Is there an inherent point to living? For most of human history existence was miserable and it was all about surviving.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If one wants to have a monogomous relationship then they should stick with the rules of a monogomous relationship, but if one wants to have a non-monogomous relationship or stay single while having sex with others, then they should make sure they should do it in an ethical manner by treating people with respect and not interfering with monogomous relationships.

          Everything we do is just an attempt to alleviate unnecessary suffering within ourselves or within others, pleasure or joy is our attempt to make life good, and those who sacrifice themselves in suffering for the sake of others do so in hopes others will have a good life as well. Perhaps the reason why we consider these hedonistic things "degenerate" is due to generations of social conditioning, back then the consequences of indulging in these things had bigger negative consequences but in the modern world the negative consequences are less severe, today at worst it's considered degenerate and classless and brings a negative stigma or reputation on someone.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Polygamy is argued often to be detrimental to society and I kinda agree but maybe it's possible to make it work. Mormons are insane but I've seen examples where having multiple wives together taking care of multiple children works. But that's not the same as people having sex at random with strangers. Id argue both lifestyles could perpetuate the spread of STDs depending on specific beliefs. Lewis and Clark talk about how natives shared their wives in done tribes with visitors to their home, and Marco polo reportedly similarly on groups of people living in Southern asia and apparently STDs were a problem in all these cultures.

            Also I think meaning in life depend on the individual. But sure it makes sense that stopping your suffering is the point to most life forms and which I suppose could also be the same as seeking pleasure.
            >I was starving and in surviving I have found pleasure in killing and eating this dear so I'm no longer suffering.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In regards to the STI question, the WHO has set out to eradicate all major STIs by the end of the decade and have already made a largely effective HPV vaccine ad are in human trials for a herpes vaccine.

            I know a girl who's had herpes since she was a small child because someone in her family kissed her and infected her. I really want that vaccine to come out soon so it can alleviate her suffering.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Polygamy is argued often to be detrimental to society and I kinda agree but maybe it's possible to make it work.

            That's because it is. There's a link between polygamy and war.

            https://medium.economist.com/big-love-and-big-war-exploring-the-link-between-polygamy-and-violence-67306fb3c41b?gi=80e9a6b545b3#:~:text=A%20study%20by%20Satoshi%20Kanazawa,the%20bottom%2030%25%20cannot%20marry.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Everything we do is just an attempt to alleviate unnecessary suffering within ourselves or within others, pleasure or joy is our attempt to make life good, and those who sacrifice themselves in suffering for the sake of others do so in hopes others will have a good life as well. Perhaps the reason why we consider these hedonistic things "degenerate" is due to generations of social conditioning, back then the consequences of indulging in these things had bigger negative consequences but in the modern world the negative consequences are less severe, today at worst it's considered degenerate and classless and brings a negative stigma or reputation on someone.
            One could argue against hedonism by saying that it will create unnecessary suffering in the future. It is a question about instant versus delayed gratification - living like a rockstar is fun when you're in your twenties but for the vast majority of people it isn't sustainable. There will come a time when they are too old, too poor or simply too worn down by the party lifestyle that they will be unable or unwilling to continue, but by then the damage is already done. They didn't settle down and as a result have lost touch with their friends who got married and had kids, no one wants them because they're an old addict, have a bad reputation or there are simply no good partners left to settle down with, and now they find themselves very lonely, likely for the rest of their life. Cheap thrills wear off very quickly, it is (IMO) better to try to live a more normal life and enjoy vices in moderation instead of being a hedonist.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I still don't understand what is truly wrong with hedonism, I'm still getting the idea that pleasures I don't like = bad and pleasures I do like = good. If you're pleasures involve killing and eating babies then of course that's evil and should be condemned, but if your pleasure is either getting drunk or raising your beautiful children then there's nothing wrong with it as long as the activities aren't morally reprehensible.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Unless you are religious and believe in objective morality then nothing is truly or inherently wrong. It's up to you to create purpose in life and to find a moral code that you like. I'm saying that you might not like the results down the line in the same sense that fast food and soda tastes good and there is nothing morally wrong with eating it but if you base your life around it then one day you will find yourself a 300lbs fatass and suffer because of it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There can only be one top priority. Either it's pleasure, or it's something else. If pleasure is subordinated to some other principle, then it's not hedonism.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But isn't the point of living is to enjoy it as much as you can as long as you're not hurting anyone else?
        Pleasure isn't the same as flourishing / fulfillment, and often (not always) oppose each other. You can't have both.
        >Like maybe you can consume alcohol moderately, treat the women you have sex with respect and dignity, and acquiring money in an ethical, fair manner.
        If pleasure is outweighed by other concerns, that's no longer hedonism.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >consume alcohol moderately
          still a poison
          >treat casual sex partners with respect
          still cheap and meaningless

          >but maximizing pleasure
          Historically speaking, real hedonists understood that maximizing real long-term pleasure often involves forgoing momentary pleasures. Contrary to popular belief hedonism was not a philosophy about drugs and orgies.

          What exactly do you define as something "meaningful" and "fulfilling"? What kind of lifestyle fits this description? What practices must be done to fulfill these ideas?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Family, good health and a spiritual life

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But if one wants to have that then go ahead, but if one wants the "degenerate" lifestyle then they should go ahead as long as they do it in an ethical manner and don't hurt themselves in the process as well (such as over-indulging in drugs). Agree or disagree?

            Meant to put my reply here

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But if one wants to have that then go ahead, but if one wants the "degenerate" lifestyle then they should go ahead as long as they do it in an ethical manner and don't hurt themselves in the process as well (such as over-indulging in drugs). Agree or disagree?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The way a living being flourishes derives from the kind of being that it is. E.g., humans and squirrels are different kinds of beings with different faculties aiming at different activities, so they flourish in different ways. Squirrels do well when they exert their faculties to run around in woods and yards and gather nuts. Humans are, among other things, rational and social animals, who experience fulfillment when the rational and social faculties are engaged (through thinking and learning, through building and creating, through family life and community, and so on). There's far more to it than massaging dopamine receptors.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What a load of horseshit. Humans like social contact because it spills out dopamine.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pursue dopamine maximization then, I'm sure you're the one that'll make it work.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >consume alcohol moderately
        still a poison
        >treat casual sex partners with respect
        still cheap and meaningless

        >but maximizing pleasure
        Historically speaking, real hedonists understood that maximizing real long-term pleasure often involves forgoing momentary pleasures. Contrary to popular belief hedonism was not a philosophy about drugs and orgies.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >still a poison
          everything is a poison giving the right dose

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's impossible to respect any woman who has sex with you when she doesn't love and want to marry you and bear your children. You'd know this if you'd ever had sex. Unless your committed to one another then all she has done is give away her most valuable asset for free

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sounds like a you problem

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Life is what you want to make of it. Bums like tate can enjoy their hedonistic lifestyle all they want, that doesn't mean others want or enjoy the same lifestyle for themselves.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Look at it this way anon. If a woman becomes rich doing only fans fricking tons of random dudes, and becomes really rich that way, why does she still end up killing herself? If it's going to make a woman, who is statistically less likely to kill herself than a man, off herself, then why would a man be any happier in this lifestyle?

        You say you can move to something else, but the activities you are speaking of have been scientifically proven time and time again to overstimulate dopamine receptors, causing them to burn out. This is why tate is going progressively more insane and vindictive towards women. Deep down, tate probably wants to just be a good father figure and a loving husband but he's so burnt out from fricking and abusing broken women than nothing else will trigger his dopamine receptors anymore.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You say you can move to something else, but the activities you are speaking of have been scientifically proven time and time again to overstimulate dopamine receptors, causing them to burn out.
          Not how that works. Alcohol is bad for your brain in excess due to toxicity, dopamine replenishes. You get problems when you constantly stimulate those pathways and don’t give them rest, you stop getting the good feeling until you let them replenish.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thats the issue with hedonism anon, the dopamine is overstimulated, it fricks with your neuropathways, getting the high is more difficult. Chasing happiness is a fools errand since joy is always fleeting, one should seek purpose for the best overall life.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t know how you’re not getting what I’m saying, they don’t burn out, they just need time to replenish their neurotransmitters. If you eat candy all day you’ll actually get sick of candy but that’s not permanent,

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It leads down a dark path. It is inevitable, it is human psychology, the choice is not made down the road but at the beginning, kind of like the first hit of heroin or meth. Andrew Tate ended up noncing underage prostitutes in Romania. If it weren't for the massive corruption of Romanian judges and lack of dignity of the Romanian people, he would still be in prison and they would be trying to convince other countries to freeze his assets so they can be redistributed to his victims.

        Alas, it is not a just world. However we can at least notice and take appropriate actions against such "people".

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shut the frick up nerd. Virtually everyone rich and poor has sex and drinks alcohol occasionally.
          The reason why all of you are wound so tight and playing Barbies with wojaks on an image board is because you don’t enjoy life because you don’t have social drinks

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And don’t ever forget it, you don’t have sex. That’s probably even more of a factor that turned you into this instead of someone likable who isn’t miserable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you think people just wake up one day and say ''i want to be an alcoholic''?
        They all start coping with moderation then loose control

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >getting drunk
    alcohol is a poison
    >having sex with multiple women
    A shallow unfulfilling pursuit that cheapens the bond of sex and is also risky
    >acquiring lots of money
    nothing wrong with that

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      spotted the pr*testant

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >alcohol is le bad
        Buttmad protshits detected

        seethe israelites

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It follows natural impulses not rational ones. It denies the dignity of rationality in you. It is a crime against the humanity in yourself (and the women).

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It shows that you have an empty void inside, lack love and peace and are trying to escape reality. Are afraid of your own mind and your own thoughts haunt you so you need constant distraction and numbing of your brain. It's also a sign that you are inhabited by wicked spirits.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The more pleasure you experience, the less pleasurable these experiences become. It's one of God's cruelest jokes on humanity.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a statement from God that pleasure is not the purpose of life. Taking care of others and loving God is what is truly fulfilling and let's you die peacefully knowing you lived a good life

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If God wanted me to lead a good life he probably wouldn't have made me an antisocial autistic with debilitating social anxiety. It's just as likely to be a cruel joke on humans as some kind of lesson.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Have you actually tried living for God and spending time with His people? You will never find a more patient and understanding group of people than you will amongst God's devout children. They don't care that you are anxious and awkward, they love you and are glad to have you as part of their flock. Try living by God's Law for a month and your entire outlook on life will be almost unrecognisable

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was raised in a devout Catholic household. Christianity definitely didn't stop my father from drinking himself to death or my mother from attempting suicide.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That doesn't sound devout at all mate. A more accurate statement is that you were raised in the household of bad Catholics and now you blame God for your parents failures. Your parents are just people mate, just like you they have their troubles and weaknesses. It's your job to love them anyway

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I had a large extended family of other Catholics around too (I'm Mexican) and they weren't any different. Faith isn't a panacea to man's problems, it's just another distraction from them. If Catholicism helped at all during my childhood, I'd see it differently now. It didn't.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again, I'd say that your family is not devout, and are just your average family who happens to be Catholic. Judging Christianity or Catholicism by the perfection of it's followers is a hugely common mistake. You don't go to Mass to worship your uncle or cousin, you go to worship Jesus Christ and the Father. Put your focus on Christ, not His followers. Do you think that if you became truly devout today that you would cease to have flaws and become sinless? Of course not. You're angry at God for the family you were given not realising what you actually have. You have a large extended family that's present in your life. Many, many people would give everything to have what you have

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You have a large extended family that's present in your life. Many, many people would give everything to have what you have
            I wouldn't associate with those inbred drunk fricks again if you put a gun to my head. I haven't spoken to any member of my family in years and never plan to again. I get where you're coming from, but you don't know my situation. All I know is if Catholicism isn't enough to make a child any less scared or angry or sad when all the adults in his life are fricking themselves and each other over for no discernable reasons, it's not worth the energy. It's just more cope to offset the rest of the seethe.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And your own solution is to wallow in despair and anger? Does that seem wise to you? You are like an angry teenager, full of criticisms but no solutions. Only concerned for yourself and not helping the troubled people in your life

            >you go to worship Jesus Christ and the Father. Put your focus on Christ, not His followers.

            You must worship Yahweh only. The Almighty Creator of the havens and earth. Anyone who worships anything other than El Elyon is pagan.

            Jesus Christ is the Living God, cope and seethe

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And your own solution is to wallow in despair and anger?
            My solution is to distance myself from the Catholics I grew up with and avoid Catholicism altogether. I wouldn't say Catholicism is what damned my family, but it sure as Hell didn't save it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'll add onto this I'm definitely not raising my kids Catholic (or even any brand of Christian for that matter). If it didn't work for my family, there's no sense in trying it out again for my own family. The world's getting more secular anyway and my kids will probably be better off with their peers if they're not as into it as I was at their age.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm far better off now than I was before I turned 18 and left home, I'll tell you that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well then best of luck lad. Remember Jesus is always there for you when you need Him, don't be too proud to ask for help. I hope you find your own peace brother

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus Christ is the Living God, cope and seethe
            Dont worship one who came out of a vegana.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >t. Satan
            Seethe on mate, Christ is victorious and has redeemed Man. Glory to His Name

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you go to worship Jesus Christ and the Father. Put your focus on Christ, not His followers.

            You must worship Yahweh only. The Almighty Creator of the havens and earth. Anyone who worships anything other than El Elyon is pagan.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Catholicism
            No shit, rotten branch bears no fruit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Taking care of others and loving God is what is truly fulfilling and let's you die peacefully knowing you lived a good life
        But is it possible to do this while simultaneously living a hedonistic life? If not then why?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          God condemns materialism and hedonism multiple times. It's not possible to truly love God and be a hedonist at the same time

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a s TATE ment from Good

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This has to be the most moronic thread not just of all time but that could ever be possible.
    >le spirituality, le magic israelite

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's all to feed your ego, which is the downfall of man. You feed off people to fill the void you see when you look at yourself in a mirror.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wrong
    As in noxious or negative.
    >getting drunk
    Drunkness dimishes your alertness and cognitive abilities leading to potential dangerous and damaging actions and speech. The most severe usually being drunk driving leading to vehicular manslaughter.
    Aside from immediate consequences there is a lasting one on your organism. Such as increasing the risk of cancer, affecting your cognitive abilities, starting an addiction to alcohol; alcoholism and of course Liver damage leading to liver failure which leads to Death.
    Through your selfishness you hurt yourself and now demand medical attention redirecting professionals, resources and efforts that would have been better put on people that did not choose a self-destructive lifestyle like yours. Worst due to medical shortage you may have indirectly hurt these people maybe killing them.
    >promiscuity
    Sexual intercourse with little to no emotional attachment, perhaps complete strangers. Leads to many ills.
    First off, it can lead to STDs no matter how protected you are no protection is truly foul proof and some of your sexual fluids might have spilled over carrying infectious agents and leading to the spread of STDs. If you are a carrier you caused harm to the person you infected especially if you did not state it to them or acted as if protection was foulproof.

    Second case is pregancy, the finality of coitus is impregnation and condoms are merely a recent invention even with the past prototypes(sea sponges & such) As stated before, Condoms and pills are not always foulproof.
    Impregnation leads to conception and procreation. A new human being has been formed and is developing. You are a parent, a progenitor, no matter how much you'd like to reject that role.
    Abortion? That is murder, legal murder is still murder. You are killing an innocent developing human being out of selfishness to not deal with the consequences. And no, death is not mercy. Cope as much as you want trying to dehumanize embryos, foetuses. They remain human.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Since you conceived with a stranger or someone with weak emotional bond, it is unlikely you'll form a stable family for the child should you not murder it. Unstable household will lead to emotional unstability and poor development for said child. You may choose to put him to adoption but it remains a "lesser evil" as the child may feel unwanted by his true parents and obsess over his origins, his adoptive family might alienate him or he might alienate them. There might be a small chance of a good outcome but it will never be one without lack and loss.
      All that harm? Caused by your selfish desires for sex.
      >acquiring lots of money
      Is money the goal or is money a means? If you wish to accumulate great wealth to achieve something then there is virtually no harm in that. Do you you want to get rich for the sake of a worry-less life? That is fine too.
      Do you wish to accumulate wealth to put yourself above others? That is an extremily egoistic goal. Some may call despicable. But you're not causing any harm, right? No... You are, for value to be worth it has to be limited and thus by becoming unreasonably rich you are not simply creating it out of thin air you are sucking it away from others. Some which might need it more than you do. Your very existence within the economy makes them poorer as you withhold value from circulation.
      Accumulating wealth within putting it to use is hurting others entierly for your selfishness.

      Hedonism is not wrong in itself, everyone has self-interests, wants beyond needs, everyone has the need for wants. Ambitions.
      It's its application which potentially, often even, leads to many wrong things.
      Doing actions without considering their consequences. Often detrimental to others and even yourself.
      Hedonism needs to be reasonable to not cause wrong. And a "reasonable amount" is not what many would consider "hedonism". So yes, "hedonism" is wrong, a bad thing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Since you conceived with a stranger or someone with weak emotional bond, it is unlikely you'll form a stable family for the child should you not murder it. Unstable household will lead to emotional unstability and poor development for said child. You may choose to put him to adoption but it remains a "lesser evil" as the child may feel unwanted by his true parents and obsess over his origins, his adoptive family might alienate him or he might alienate them. There might be a small chance of a good outcome but it will never be one without lack and loss.
      All that harm? Caused by your selfish desires for sex.
      >acquiring lots of money
      Is money the goal or is money a means? If you wish to accumulate great wealth to achieve something then there is virtually no harm in that. Do you you want to get rich for the sake of a worry-less life? That is fine too.
      Do you wish to accumulate wealth to put yourself above others? That is an extremily egoistic goal. Some may call despicable. But you're not causing any harm, right? No... You are, for value to be worth it has to be limited and thus by becoming unreasonably rich you are not simply creating it out of thin air you are sucking it away from others. Some which might need it more than you do. Your very existence within the economy makes them poorer as you withhold value from circulation.
      Accumulating wealth within putting it to use is hurting others entierly for your selfishness.

      Hedonism is not wrong in itself, everyone has self-interests, wants beyond needs, everyone has the need for wants. Ambitions.
      It's its application which potentially, often even, leads to many wrong things.
      Doing actions without considering their consequences. Often detrimental to others and even yourself.
      Hedonism needs to be reasonable to not cause wrong. And a "reasonable amount" is not what many would consider "hedonism". So yes, "hedonism" is wrong, a bad thing.

      Imagine caring this much about the details, no one does.
      Having fun is letting go of worries.

      I don't give a shit about poor people, the cost of my liver transplant, some prostitute getting STDs or some bastard child getting aborted. I just want to have fun in my limited life.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You wouldn't be able to have this lifestyle without people who cares. Thousand years of collective efforts have been made to make all the things around you.
        Modern luxuries are wasted on ungrateful, uncaring people like you that end up festering to death in their own filth. Society is too lax! Excessive freedom is a poison and liberty should be earned.
        >"who gives a shit? it doesn't matter"
        Because you have chosen to reduce your awarness of the world to just yourself instead of you within the whole. People that care are everywhere around you, you are simply blind. You are not the beginning or the end of anything, you are a continuation and made yourself a dead-end and a waste.

        Hedonists are literal parasites, a plague. And should be treated as such.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine how much less of a whiny pussy you’d be if you got some ass.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine how much less of a whiny pussy you’d be if you got some ass.

        [...]
        >writing several pages on IQfy because you don’t know how getting laid works and thinks pregnancy is a serious risk if you don’t want a kid
        Lol

        People like me who cares will eventually be backed down by AI tools, an infallible authoritarian state is unavoidable, it is arguably an important step for human evolution.
        The days of your kind is numbered. No more prostitutes, no more drunks & junkies, no more corrupted officials. Whenever wherever you show up you'll be systemically neutralized.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah anon the levers of power of society are definitely controlled by incels on IQfy.
          You can’t win the argument because you don’t know what you’re talking about, so you imagine a power fantasy where you have an army of robots against guys who get pussy

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            China may be flawed, but its big cities are proof systemic surveillance works.
            It's time for the western man to borrow the genius of asians.
            We will strive for clean cities, hard working polite & respectful citizens.

            Let China surpass America as the new role model of the modern world.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Literally what are you talking about nerd. You wrote paragraphs about the dangers of casual sex which you made up because you don’t know how sex works.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >China may be flawed, but its big cities are proof systemic surveillance works.
            Works how?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >shilling the CCP for free

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is it wrong for a hedonist to be white monkey shill and make big bucks out of the suffering of those oppressed by the CCP by lying and manipulating the facts?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      STDs and pregnancy are easy to avoid.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *Relatively* which is different from *entierly avoidable*. No protection is foolproof

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You literally won’t have a kid if you don’t want one. At absolute worst you might have to get a first trimester abortion once in your life

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >get a woman pregnant
            No biggie I'll just tell her to abort
            >She chooses to keep it
            >you got to pay child support
            Game over, heidonism anon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you’re so worried about that then pull out and wear a condom.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet STD rates continue to rise.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can lead a horse to water etc. You can try and teach Black folk and poos about safe sex practices but they'll continue to frick anything that moves

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And you don’t have to be part of that even if you have sex.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Since you conceived with a stranger or someone with weak emotional bond, it is unlikely you'll form a stable family for the child should you not murder it. Unstable household will lead to emotional unstability and poor development for said child. You may choose to put him to adoption but it remains a "lesser evil" as the child may feel unwanted by his true parents and obsess over his origins, his adoptive family might alienate him or he might alienate them. There might be a small chance of a good outcome but it will never be one without lack and loss.
      All that harm? Caused by your selfish desires for sex.
      >acquiring lots of money
      Is money the goal or is money a means? If you wish to accumulate great wealth to achieve something then there is virtually no harm in that. Do you you want to get rich for the sake of a worry-less life? That is fine too.
      Do you wish to accumulate wealth to put yourself above others? That is an extremily egoistic goal. Some may call despicable. But you're not causing any harm, right? No... You are, for value to be worth it has to be limited and thus by becoming unreasonably rich you are not simply creating it out of thin air you are sucking it away from others. Some which might need it more than you do. Your very existence within the economy makes them poorer as you withhold value from circulation.
      Accumulating wealth within putting it to use is hurting others entierly for your selfishness.

      Hedonism is not wrong in itself, everyone has self-interests, wants beyond needs, everyone has the need for wants. Ambitions.
      It's its application which potentially, often even, leads to many wrong things.
      Doing actions without considering their consequences. Often detrimental to others and even yourself.
      Hedonism needs to be reasonable to not cause wrong. And a "reasonable amount" is not what many would consider "hedonism". So yes, "hedonism" is wrong, a bad thing.

      >writing several pages on IQfy because you don’t know how getting laid works and thinks pregnancy is a serious risk if you don’t want a kid
      Lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Since you conceived with a stranger or someone with weak emotional bond, it is unlikely you'll form a stable family for the child should you not murder it. Unstable household will lead to emotional unstability and poor development for said child. You may choose to put him to adoption but it remains a "lesser evil" as the child may feel unwanted by his true parents and obsess over his origins, his adoptive family might alienate him or he might alienate them. There might be a small chance of a good outcome but it will never be one without lack and loss.
      All that harm? Caused by your selfish desires for sex.
      >acquiring lots of money
      Is money the goal or is money a means? If you wish to accumulate great wealth to achieve something then there is virtually no harm in that. Do you you want to get rich for the sake of a worry-less life? That is fine too.
      Do you wish to accumulate wealth to put yourself above others? That is an extremily egoistic goal. Some may call despicable. But you're not causing any harm, right? No... You are, for value to be worth it has to be limited and thus by becoming unreasonably rich you are not simply creating it out of thin air you are sucking it away from others. Some which might need it more than you do. Your very existence within the economy makes them poorer as you withhold value from circulation.
      Accumulating wealth within putting it to use is hurting others entierly for your selfishness.

      Hedonism is not wrong in itself, everyone has self-interests, wants beyond needs, everyone has the need for wants. Ambitions.
      It's its application which potentially, often even, leads to many wrong things.
      Doing actions without considering their consequences. Often detrimental to others and even yourself.
      Hedonism needs to be reasonable to not cause wrong. And a "reasonable amount" is not what many would consider "hedonism". So yes, "hedonism" is wrong, a bad thing.

      You wouldn't be able to have this lifestyle without people who cares. Thousand years of collective efforts have been made to make all the things around you.
      Modern luxuries are wasted on ungrateful, uncaring people like you that end up festering to death in their own filth. Society is too lax! Excessive freedom is a poison and liberty should be earned.
      >"who gives a shit? it doesn't matter"
      Because you have chosen to reduce your awarness of the world to just yourself instead of you within the whole. People that care are everywhere around you, you are simply blind. You are not the beginning or the end of anything, you are a continuation and made yourself a dead-end and a waste.

      Hedonists are literal parasites, a plague. And should be treated as such.

      Atheists that care too much are what caused nazism, communism & all the atrocities of the past century.
      Atheists are meant to be passive hedonistic consumerists.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >atheist stay passive
        And who decided that?
        Nazism and communism may have been failure but at least they attempted to renew the stagnating status quo that led to WW1! And they succeded in doing so indirectly even if it wasn't the best outcome. We remain in a secular society.

        Totalitarianism is the future, and despite how many times it has been antagonized by clueless americans and their vassals, it will prevail. It has to for our species' survival.
        I don't believe in God, I believe in the future

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing. Drinking should be moderated and you should settle down when you find a good one.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cause i don't get to do it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cause i don't get to do it
      The only honest answer here.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What exactly wrong is
    Learn to write properly and then I'll answer your question

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m fascinated by guys with obvious above average intelligence who don’t apply that brain to learning an alternative to wearing cargo shorts and sabaton T-shirts so they can learn how to attract a woman and stop reading medieval theology and seething about guys who get laid

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you have at least a modicum of self-awareness it is easy to identify your problems, taking action to fix them is in comparison very difficult. For some people it's easier to just say society is busted though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That would take effort. If you can convince yourself that those dastardly femoids only date men who are 6'7 and have sufficiently concave orbital bone curvature, you get to stay home shitposting.

        What’s funny is that’s genuinely a degenerate lifestyle.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't like the lifestyle either but if one disagrees with something he should be able to argue against it beyond just using labels or appealing to religion.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >my respect
            Why should I give a shit? Doesn't make me feel better. Fact is we're right and they're wrong.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why should I give a shit?
            Because you're not convincing anyone by just throwing a label around, if you care then you should be able to argue your case convincingly
            >but i don't care
            You care enough to find these threads and post in them

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That would take effort. If you can convince yourself that those dastardly femoids only date men who are 6'7 and have sufficiently concave orbital bone curvature, you get to stay home shitposting.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They'll get dates but the women will not be genuinely attracted to them.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man's duty is to obey his creator

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Obeying all your parents wishes into adulthood starts to become pathetic. You should become your own man.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >0-12: respect and obey your parents
        >12-25: rebel and disrespect your parents
        >25-Death: respect and obey your parents

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know you’re not over 25 because you don’t realize your parents are also just people and can be wrong about things.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am over 25 and have gained the good sense to listen to people who have twice as much life experience as me

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They're right about you not being a woman though

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After I broke up with my GF I went on a bender like this where I was just drinking and having sex with women and it got old after like 3 months. I would finish having sex and feel absolutely nothing. No excitement, no arousal, no thrill, just nothing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No shit moron you tried to bury the loss of an emotional connection with emptiness.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >dude who cares about potential consequences or planning for the future, it feels good
    Is your skin dark by any chance?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hedonism is only bad in excess. If you consume too much alcohol, you will ruin your liver. If you have too much sex, you increase your chances of contracting STDS. If you focus too much on making money, you will probably become stressed which could lead to bad habits as coping mechanisms.
    Moderation is key for a happy life. Remember that even water in excess can kill you.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's okay, as long as you don't let yourself go

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've ruined two marriages and now I am gay.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You will never be rich if you spend your money on booze and women.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's sinning against God and other people, which is not only wrong from a moral perspective, but it will also end up with negative consequences for yourself and others who are involved in any way. I'm assuming you already knew this but have chosen to ask anyway as if you don't know.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have tried it and it does not feel good.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I believe that hedonism is bad if it is self indulgent. However, universally shared hedonisms is probably a good thing, if not, our primary goal.

    Matthew 22:36-40
    And
    John 21:15-17 with an understanding of philo and agapas, as distinct forms of "love".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Our purpose is serving our creator.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I suppose I have defined "universal hedonism" as the method in which the creator communicates that we are serving our purpose. Rewards, both good and bad, are how we can logically discuss the will of the creator. I suppose we could be deceived if the "universal hedonism" was destructive in some way, like, if it leads people to a virtual reality world, that separates us from truth, but then we would be moving in a self indulgent direction, and not a universal/connected one.

        Is there something fundamental to the etymology of "hedonism" that does not allow it to be combined with the idea of "universally shared experiance".

        I think my point is that pleasure is not fundamentally "bad". It's self evidently the opposite of "bad". So, what makes the idea of "hedonism" and "pleasure" bad is when it's self indulgent, or takes away from others.

        The key is to connect, not to suffer.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >alcohol is le bad
    Buttmad protshits detected

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All of those things are okay in the right context, but hedonism will not fulfill you. You need a reason for living other than fleeting pleasures - a mission statement, an ideology.

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