What happened to the Italians?

What happened to the Italians?
In the past they gave the world great generals like Caesar and Napoleon but modern Italy produced Luigi Cadorna and Benito Mussolini.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Caesar never got the trains to run on time

  2. 1 month ago
    Radiochan

    Mussolini would have been remembered as a great man if he didn't try to conquer Greece.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >couldn't conquer Ethiopia
      >was told Italy did not have the logistical or industrial capacity to wage war on France and the UK
      >invades France anyway
      >I need only a few thousand dead to sit at the conference table
      >immediately lose Italian East Africa
      >gets his shit kicked in by the Brits in Egypt
      >had to be saved by Rommel
      Mussolini was a certified moron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He was a great statesman but a horrible general is usually the sentiment.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          imo being a great statesman requires you to not join an unnecessary and avoidable war that leads to your nation's absolute destruction

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i mean hannibal was a great general but he lost and carthage was destroyed. I don't think failing in one aspect breaks the image. Even if its not like there's many people up there in the first place still above most leaders.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In Hannibal's case a war was neccesary. Mussolini just wanted to become a big boy

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >In Hannibal's case a war was neccesary.
            How was the second punic war any more necessary than Italian involvement in ww2?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The romans were after them because of Carthage's recovery and they started getting involved in Spain

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The romans were after them because of Carthage's recovery and they started getting involved in Spain

            it wasnt necessary.
            The Romans would have been fine leaving the Carthaginians to rule homeless numidians

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The Romans would have been fine leaving the Carthaginians to rule homeless numidians
            Lmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He literally did conquer Ethiopia though, it was the Italy before him that didn't.

        He got baited by German success in France, the plan before the war was generally solid.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It took the Italians a year and and a half to conquer a bunch of spear chucking Black folk.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ethiopians were pretty far from spear chuckers. they had been importing rifles for decades before the 2nd italian invasion

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            40% of their army had flintlock muzzle loaders.
            Selassies dispatch to the army was to avoid mass firing at low flying aircraft.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    after the end of the 18th century armies became so big and modern warfare so complex that it had to be run by a general staff rather than an individual field marshal. Therefore the genius of an individual general stopped being enough to have a meaningful edge in war.

    Also Cadorna may have been an exceptionally bad general, but Italy was far from unique in having Generals that were incredibly callous butchers that didn't understand the war they were fighting. There's a reason for the saying that ww1 soldiers were "lions led by donkeys."

    Also does anyone know to what degree Mussolini was directly involved in fighting the war for Italy?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They put all their skill points in artistry during the middle ages

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Italians started specializing in art, culture, banking, and mercantilism after the Italian states became merchant republics. Still, you saw some decent generals from the Papal States, like Cesare Borgia.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Cesare Borgia
      >Italian
      Most literate IQfy poster.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They were the richest place on the planet since rome was established till 1750
    Now they're basically third worlders

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Caesar wasn't Italian and Napoleon wasn't commanding Italian

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    muslim dna

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Risorgimento was a disaster. Resulted in a meme of a state constantly trying to punch above its weight class.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Forgive me anons, I hate multiple dynasties.

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