What hypothetical empirical evidence should rationally make an atheist believe in god?

What hypothetical empirical evidence should rationally make an atheist believe in god? I have seen multiple atheists say that even if god revealed himself, the stars realigned into a message from god or they went to hell, they would still not believe in god becuase it could be a halucination/aliens. In that case, atheism is not the result of observation but a presupposition.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Of course obvious evidence is literally everywhere, but atheists have already agreed that it shouldn't be interpreted in a theistic manner, so there's nothing that will make them believe in God until they drop their prejudices. What they're actually saying when they say "we don't know" where the universe came from is that you should *shut up* and stop asking questions like that. They're never going to find God under a microscope, and material means are never going to discover the origin of everything, they just want you to stop asking metaphysical questions because they aren't compatible with their worldview.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let your israelite God reveal himself to everyone at once. He should do the smiting and tantrum throwing like the old testament

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >board about history
    >americans make endless threads about religion and atheism

    Why are americans like this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use IQfy for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

      Let your israelite God reveal himself to everyone at once. He should do the smiting and tantrum throwing like the old testament

      Would you believe in god if random outspoken atheists/non-christians were randomly struck by lightning and were found with a letter from god reading "I, the christian god did this. Repent"?.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Would you believe in god if random outspoken atheists/non-christians were randomly struck by lightning and were found with a letter from god reading "I, the christian god did this. Repent"?

        Of course

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If he does it, then yes I'd believe

          >"Uh,, it was a hoax."
          >t. (You)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Seething moron

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >letter
        Why would he need a letter? Is he afraid? Let him show his physical form. Or imprint his image in every man's mind at the exact moment.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a hypothetical

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If he does it, then yes I'd believe

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Would you believe in god if random outspoken atheists/non-christians were randomly struck by lightning and were found with a letter from god reading "I, the christian god did this. Repent
        Yeah as long as we could verify some Christian didn’t place the letter there.
        Prayers being answered by Christians on a regular basis would be good. So if prayer was curing disease left and right, hell id settle for prayer lifting a rock 5 feet off the ground.
        Not an atheist btw, agnostics don’t believe in your god either, and other non-religious theists also would require proof that your god specifically is real

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are americans like this?
      The zeitgeist is realizing that AI and CGI will make history impossible to determine through video or written evidence, because there will be too many false narratives. Therefore, we must find the truth another way.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it could be a halucination/aliens
    Isn't this fair, though? Even omnipotence does not necessarily prove you created any one thing, which is QED. If some incredibly powerful being manifested and claimed to be the creator, I would at least consider their ensuing behavior. If they then set about fulfilling biblical prophecy and giving one specific group of God worshipers special treatment, I would tentatively consider it most likely that he was the very God of their prophets, and act accordingly.
    Here's a question. What hypothetical empirical evidence should rationally make a theist question their God? Let's say that the stars realigned to say "אהיה אשר אהיה", and a radiant winged man appeared out of thin air and said that he had come to judge the world his creation, and began killing atheists and Hindu children with plagues and building castles made out of gold and gemstones in Jerusalem. Then, another radiant winged man manifested and telepathically told the whole world that the first Angel was a deceiver, actually he rearranged the stars, and raised an army to wage war on his followers and started building a city out of opal in the sky above Mecca. What then?

    For my part, the most obvious and probative evidence would be personal revelation of the creation itself. I don't see how I could deny it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In that scenario a christian would probably still believe the first winged guy and see the second as satan.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn't it raise questions about why God should allow Satan to defy him on Earth? What if the second angel soundly defeated the first, what should Christians believe then?
        The only point of these nonce scenarios is that there is no amount of power which proves one created existence.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          At that point they should reject christianity

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have stated numerous times on this board what would convince me. If all the birds in the world started singing "Christ is king" on Good Friday 3pm Jerusalem time, I would be convinced.
    Every time I said this, IQfy Christians told me that I actually wouldn't be convinced. Go figure.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What hypothetical empirical evidence should rationally make a person with no metal framwork believe in a mental framwork?
    Nothing. By definition, atheists have no mental framework. They are themselves a hypothetical state of being that does not exist. Like an anarchist, they are just concepts that can't exist in reality.

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