What is "experience"?

I have been engaging in stoic practice of negative visualisation for years now. Yet experiencing a real threat to life a few days ago has left me traumatised. While stoic practice may or may not have helped me, the real experience of possibility of death was so overwhelming that it surpassed the mere idea of knowing and understanding death. This leads me to believe that experience is something unique, that is different from knowledge, and is actually required to realize knowledge, which only exists in an ideal perfect state. Like a perfect circle that only exists in the mind, and not in reality. I have been reading about Mary's room. And I am sure that, while Mary may not gain any new knowledge, she will definitely gain something out of it, and that is experience. Other such examples I can think of are, religion and god, virgins and idea of love, sex and women, etc. I want to read more about this "experience" phenomenon. Any literature on it?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your visualisation is just imagination. Whatever happened probably lasted a few minutes and your trauma is just more imagination.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Than why is one thing stronger than the other.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because experience contains in it every part of that greater whole which you only contemplate details of.
        Try to write a program in which you describe every aspect of a human, every trait. You'll surely discover that you can think of only so many traits and how they would be implemented, but when you meet a human, even one trait of character of him that you experience is probably more refined in its expression then all the abstractions and their inter workings you have thought of.
        A human is able to process a lot of information upon seeing something. When you are contemplating something, obviously, you are only able to think of so many details.
        Look into lucid dreaming, perhaps. And although the appearances of things in your dreams are based on what you have seen in the real world, to me the situations in my dreams appear very much in their fullest detail, and to other people as well, hence why the dreams feel to have appeared "so real" upon waking up.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >woah dude the fourth dimension and like... woah
    >books for this feel?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >anon discovers that boomers weren't memeing about the school of hard knocks

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah dude think about it our conscious mind is a lot younger than the rest of our animal mind
    Animals wouldnt be so good at surviving unless that shit is linked in real good with reality
    Consciously flickering images on your eyelids can't really compare to things happening and doing things in real life e g lived experience
    Try becoming a painter without painting, only visualising painting, it's pretty shit at making you better. This is why Leo put experience first, why artisans practice, why all work you only get better at it by doing it not daydreaming it, visualising is only a useful intermittent tool to remind you of true lived experience and give you new ideas, not a replacement

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can overcome this but it requires you to basically frick your brain with years of hardcore meditation.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can overcome experience without ever experiencing it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Buddha did it. All those self mummified monks did it. How do you explain that?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They killed themselves early so when the brain goes poof poof there is no neural activity to go missing

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Buddha only rejected things after he had already experienced them. I doubt that Siddhartha would become the Buddha had he been an incel commoner instead of a chad prince who experienced sex.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think you are talking about the whole debate between Empiricists vs Rationalists. And yes, you are right. Empiricists won.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to be with a woman but I know the relationship will not be anywhere close to what's in my head. It'll only end with me getting hurt. But the desire of a relationship keeps getting stronger and not having one is making me depressed. In either situation there is only suffering.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Time to start working out.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, he said said he wants a relationship with a woman, not a man.

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        I want to be with a woman but I know the relationship will not be anywhere close to what's in my head. It'll only end with me getting hurt. But the desire of a relationship keeps getting stronger and not having one is making me depressed. In either situation there is only suffering.

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  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I want to read more about this "experience" phenomenon

    This is very funny

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no irony here.
      >I want to read more about this "experience" phenomenon
      As in, what the greatest philosophers have said about "experience". Stuff like Mary's room, the whole Empiricists vs Rationalists mentioned in this thread. I am reading them, but I want a more organised approach to the literature behind it. Don't know where to start?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, that's Stoicism for you. Not really much different from modern self-help/Buddhism/etc crap. "Oh bro if you just start thinking this way and do these exercises, you'll take control of yourself rather than being dominated by circumstances". It isn't so. Capacity for virtue is inborn and has to do with, for example, how we relate to pain, how we relate to pleasure - Aristotle thought these things were inborn albeit not in principle insurmountable, and modern research backs him up. It is easier for some people to be good than others, and some people basically can't be good (sociopaths for example). Some with the capacity to sages actually become sages, then think they can tell others how to do it. But it never works, it never has worked, it never will work. Most of us have to be content with moral mediocrity. Augustine told a funny story about this somewhere (I think De Civ) - Stoic philosopher is on a sea journey doing his schtick, big storm comes, philosopher freaks out more than anyone else. Storms over, other passengers say "wtf I thought you were a Stoic". "Well, even the wise are subject to sudden motions."

    You can fight the beast within as much as you want, it doesn't go anywhere, and it's stronger than you. Deep down, you know this.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So, what can be done? Would reoeated experience make you change?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are two paths to go if you accept that what I said is true.

        1) Forget about living a good or meaningful life, try to cram as much pleasure in as possible before you are destroyed.
        2) Beg for mercy and grace from the one true God

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >one true God
          Who?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *dyḗws

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's only one to pick from. "Hurr should I pray to Zeus or Horus or Christ?" There is quite literally only one God you could pray to.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > quite literally only one God you could pray to
            what if multiple entities were involved in the Creation?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When that russian anon derided Dosto as western trash and recommended (among others) Kalugin, even going so far as to call his work "kino", did he have this in mind?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Kalugin
      The KGB guy?

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