What is the historical justification for allowing non-Indo-European speakers on European soil?

What is the historical justification for allowing non-Indo-European speakers on European soil?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Indo-"europeans" are not even indigenous to europe

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is European Russia and Ukraine not Europe anymore

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hahaha bmac= aryans
        I will see many red faces

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the BMAC is possibly Andronovo + Zagros

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hahaha bmac= aryans
            I will see many red faces

            1.The Saraswati river is between the Yamuna and Sutlej rivers. This indicates that Saraswati is what we today call the Ghaggar river. This river dried up becoming the small seasonal river we see today around 1900 BC, before the supposed invasion.

            2.very possible that IVC memories reached the Rigveda. In one scenario, the specific details of the Saraswati River could only be known by the IVC/BMAC people who have lived in that area for thousands of years. Therefore, the Rigvedic Aryans must have been significantly absorbed by the already declining IVC people and integrated this into their tradition.

            3.Many aspects of Vedic religion came directly from the Harappa cultural sphere. There are too many similarities for this to be a coincidence. it just means that Indians developed a complex, synthetic culture much earlier than previously thought.

            Parpola and others have already shown evidence that the period around 2000-1800 BC was entirely synthetic between steppe, BMAC and IVC cultures.

            4. dasyu means snake.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            steppe migrants in India were assimilated into the previous culture for a significant period. Thank God, Indians were so obsessed with linguistics and etymology from ancient times that they did most of the work for us in terms of reconstructing ancient Sanskrit and Dravidian.

            >Scholars claim to have identified a substantial body of loanwords in early Indian texts, including evidence of non-Indo-Aryan elements (such as -s- following -u- in Rigvedic busa). Although some postulated borrowings are from Dravidian and other forms are traceable to Munda

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If CHG ancestry in South Asia is derived from Aryan migration how come its so minute in Europe?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It is derived both from the Aryan migration and from the Neolithic populations that had previously introduced agriculture from Elam (Indus Valley/Dravidian). 2 sources

            the BMAC is possibly Andronovo + Zagros

            the map covers an extremely moronic area, but yes, they were not Europeans. archeology is different in both and a hybridization between the two quickly becomes apparent, especially in clothing items. Don't forget that the Bmac gods had a civilization and some of the metals found in Andronovo tombs (which were a horizon) come from the Bmac area

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/0tmaX2h.jpeg

      Finno-Ugrians are the only ones who conquered these slaves (orya)

      Silence medrangatan bambuti chimps

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The 'Indo-' in Indo-European does not stand for indigenous.
    Kys

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Indo-"europeans" are not even indigenous to europe

      >t.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        whiter than you mohammad

        https://i.imgur.com/OR3FZrp.gif

        Is European Russia and Ukraine not Europe anymore

        it's not continental europe and the Yamnaya came from the Razin culture which was located in the caucasus, plus they were genocidal invaders who killed and replaced the more indigenous europeans

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Razin culture
          What? the first time I've heard.
          We have the Repin culture, and it is still in the Don steppe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah that's what I meant sorry, however the Repin was overwhelmingly CHG (caucasian hunter gatherer) and ANE (Ancient north eurasian) non of which are continental europeans

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            even CVL samples from Chechnya such as Progress 2 were predominantly EHG, although they had a fairly high (up to 40%) CHG admixture. so still native to Europe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the EHG is ANE + WHG my dude

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Everyone knows

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            btw the blonde hair gene came from the ANE who are definately not europeans lmao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ANE was West Eurasian

            Yamnaya cannot drink Milk btw
            But the ANF, yes.

            >But the ANF, yes.
            No, it only appears in the late CWC.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            see, you're already coping and pivoting, "west eurasian" includes ancient middle eastern ethnic groups which are not found in modern europeans like the Zagros farmer and the BMAC

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            in fact, CHG are close to Iranian farmers. they were cousins

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't know the relation between CHG and the Zagros

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The PIe were europeans dude
            Nah
            Around 40% of the ancestry of the Bronze Age Yamnaya Samara, considered by many scholars to be the Proto-Indo-Europeans, comes from CHG/IranN-like populations.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Allentoft et al 2022 models CHG as 60-65% Iran HG-like ancestry (the dominant ancestry of all Indians), 10% ANE like & 20-25% Caucasus UP (Kotias-like). This is the reason that Indians are so closely related to the CHG, albeit distally & not directly like the Georgians.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The PIe were europeans dude
            Nah
            Around 40% of the ancestry of the Bronze Age Yamnaya Samara, considered by many scholars to be the Proto-Indo-Europeans, comes from CHG/IranN-like populations.

            https://i.imgur.com/JFQJ01M.jpeg

            [...]
            Yes.
            There's more..
            Genetic admixture of Caucasus Hunter Gatherer-like ancestry in global populations peaks in the Indian subcontinent
            Check out

            https://i.imgur.com/PH39z1j.jpeg

            This isn't very relevant for a simple reason;
            The CHG had a vast geographic area, and was outside the borders of Europe. were to the east

            Aryan bros? Our answer
            Seriously now, is this guy right about his claims??

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He's right

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no.
            We don't know who exactly lactose tolerance came from, and it certainly didn't come from yamnaya or CWC.
            We have evidence that EEF drank milk and some show lactose tolerance. We don't have a single Yamnaya sample that had tolerance. milk was used since the ANF

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            EHG is Dzudzuana/Georgia_UpperPaleolithic + ANE(AG3/Afontova Gora-3) + Czechia_Upper_Paleolithic(Vestonice16)

            CHG is largely (63-68%)Dzudzuana in distal, that's also major component of the Prime EHG group with most ANE so far after Karelia - Russia_Sidelkino_HG(30% Dzudzuana)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I assume "Czechia_Upper_Paleolithic(Vestonice16)" is WHG right?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Chg was not European
            And the yamnaya came from the Sredni Stog

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The North Caucasus is geographically located in Europe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This isn't very relevant for a simple reason;
            The CHG had a vast geographic area, and was outside the borders of Europe. were to the east

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            in fact, CHG are close to Iranian farmers. they were cousins

            Yes.
            There's more..
            Genetic admixture of Caucasus Hunter Gatherer-like ancestry in global populations peaks in the Indian subcontinent
            Check out

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yamnaya cannot drink Milk btw
            But the ANF, yes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            moron. Progress isn't from Chechnya and they were 50% CHG 40% EHG 10% WSHG. ANE and CHG aren't European they just raped Europe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't understand what you're trying to say. You can keep this logic doing all the way down to Canada (pic rel).
            The PIE (Yamnaya/Corded-Ware) originated in Europe

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            on the eastern outskirts of europe and the genocided older more native continental europeans

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t care what language the Hungarians and Basques speak, genetically they are 100% IE, but the Ydna Finns come from a Siberian Mongoloid who has essentially contributed nothing to their genetics (on average less than 5% admixture of real Finno-Ugric peoples). It is absolutely disgusting to see such rapebabyes in Europe, in some ways it even degrades the dignity of white people. just a dirty Chinese pig who fricked white women.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It is absolutely disgusting that you're a poor russian prole who has never been to Europe

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not Russian and I'm from central Europe.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not convincing, Stasyan

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Stasyan
            Shizo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Another Asian feature about the N people is the is the "Õ" sound, which even has it's own letter in Estonian alphabet, but is there for most of the northern Russian Finnic languages to where it's made its way in to Russian language as well.

      Pretty much all Asian langauges have this sound, no Euro languages do.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Literally every realization of the "õ sound" occurs in some native English dialect.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Seethe more.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You are simply projecting your smallminded(/dicked) complexes that you have from the modern world onto the ancient world.

      ANE/EHG mixed Siberians with Central Asian steppe people has nothing to do with "Chinese man with white woman." By the time this marker was around the Baltic it was in populations with higher Mesolithic Euro ancestry than modern day Balts. R haplogroup came from bumfrick Asia too and never had the "whitening" effect on the north as it only brought trash DNA with it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dude, every R1 population found is 100% Caucasian, even the damn mummies from the Tarim Basin.
        on the contrary, N1 would be 100% Mongoloid, and the real Finno-Ugric peoples remain so.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ANE is significantly East Eurasian. R1 is more closely related to N than to I.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hungarians are R1a, R1b, and I2 thoughbeit

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Finno-Ugrians are the only ones who conquered these slaves (orya)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we wuz kangs gweilo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      N1a-L550>Y4341>Y4339 was identified in sample ful001, 314 AD, from Fullerö in Sweden.
      The burial from Fullerö is a richly furnished inhumation male chamber burial. Although the grave had been opened and robbed, it was still remarkably richly furnished and unique. The chamber burial was placed in a mound. The burial chamber is the largest of all known in the northern Sweden from CE 200–700. The gold finger rings, one of them the largest gold finger ring ever found in Sweden, were probably military honours; the chain mail, belt and the boar-like tusks, and canines from pigs, probably for a horse fitting, may indicate that the man had been in Roman service. In the grave was a worn gold coin used as a pendant, struck for the Roman emperor Maximian Hercules 291CE. Bear skin was placed with the deceased.
      doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.11.024

      N1a-L839 was identified in sample lov002, 475–510/520 CE, from Viken, Lovö in Sweden.
      Well-furnished chamber grave 3 (lov002), containing an individual archaeologically and osteologically determined as male, with a sword and sword belt and 50 gaming pieces among other grave goods.
      doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.11.024

      N1a-L4339* identified in sample 84001 (ERS2540883, cemetery 1, Nunnan) from Sigtuna, Sweden (10th-12th centuries)
      Old Sigtuna, according to Old Norse religion, was previously the home of the widely revered god Odin. Sigtuna has more runestones (over 150) than any other city in the world.
      doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2018.06.053

      N1a-L550>Y4339>VL11 was identified in a representative of Rurikids - the son of Alexander Nevsky - Prince Dmitry Alexandrovich, XIII century, Transfiguration Cathedral, Pereslavl-Zalessky.
      doi.org/10.32607/actanaturae.23425

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are you gay? I mean Hungarians are all ugly but it's obvious why Finnic and Saami were allowed to stay. I marry into their tribe and I get a cute Saami wifu. Way better than Helga like Germans and Swede women.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I mean Hungarians are all ugly
      homie please

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        disgusting

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          roll

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Roll

            damn anons tough luck

            https://i.imgur.com/cYAPDne.jpeg

            rollin for 6

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Roll

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          one of them looks like someone I used to work with.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Avar nignogs

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I personally do not think anything below 20% is enough to not be considered European. Iberians, Finns, Eastern Europeans are still Europeans.
    There are several people in NW Europe with straight up non European DNA, but you don’t know. Ie, Emilia Clarke is around 12.5% Indian, literal Hindu. But she still clusters with British Islanders. She’s still phenotypically English and mentally too.
    So Finns having 5-13% non Euro DNA, quite literally does not matter.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Finns = mongoloid sperm

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This makes the Romani and Turks European.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It obviously doesn’t if you know anything about genetics.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How about Scandinavians and ethnic Brits with their massive more than 5-13% Asian DNA from Anatolia?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I obviously don’t mean ANE admixture, I meant later North African or Mongol admixture, which no European population has except Southern Italians, Albanians and some Greeks.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >historical justification
    there is none
    historically invaders were repelled
    and now??
    the gubbmit imports them
    something is wrong here

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think... I... beat the Europeans and their fanaticism about the beloved IE being 100% European. oops
    and I'm still waiting for a Vedic sample.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Andronovo was 100% European.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Andronovo was 100% Iranic
        ftfy

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They most likely spoke proto-indo-iranic but they cluster together with modern swedes/scandinavians

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >but they cluster together with modern swedes/scandinavians
            giga we wuzzing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Farmpygmy drivel
          Begone from my sight at once

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The more I read about the Indo-Europeans, the more I realize that they were actually quite moronic compared to Neolithic cultures.

    >b-but a lot of metal work.
    Everyone did it better and sooner than the IE folks. This does not mean that Yamnaya, Andronovo, etc. They weren't good at metallurgy, but it's not like they changed the game. Even the Bantus discovered iron metallurgy in isolation. Just like the Amerindians, with copper.

    > b-but muh wheels
    Also invented by pre-Bronze Age cultures, but improved by IE populations. They really haven't done much to create a whole new technology.

    In fact, the Indo-Europeans became more complex and advanced as they mixed with pre-existing Neolithic peoples.

    I need hardly mention the Greeks, whose advanced culture originated from the EEF and the Levantine people, not the steppe invaders.
    In fact, the populations with the highest proportion of steppes (Balts, Slavs, Germanics) were arguably the darkest for 99% of history and were entirely dependent on other people (generally from the south and east) to civilize them, replace their populations. religions, change their languages, change their culture, spoon-feeding technology, writing systems, mathematics, science and so on.

    The only Indo-European population I can think of that had some semblance of a complex culture are the Indo-Iranians, but even they mixed with Neolithic Indians/Iranians very early and were extremely influenced by the BMAC.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      remembering that the study that came out yesterday about the hallstatt were close to the population of the South, and their elites had g-2.
      and the funniest thing, they practiced matrilinealism

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bronzeworking in china entered from the west, by IE sakha peoples, as evidenced by the design of bronze knives in early china

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if anything East Asia gave bronzeworking to steppenigs.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Indo-Europeans derive from haplogroup P1* Tianyuanoid males who nutted into extinction the more native haplogroup C males from Kostenki/Sunghir when the populations met north of Mongolia to form ANS which was two parts Kostenki-Sunghir into one part Tianyuan and yet as far as we know entirely Tianyuan by paternal ancestry. Indo-Europeans want to be grandfathered into Caucasoids because it happened thirty millenia ago but ithat's just not happening. P1 is by nature Asian as are all of it's derivatives and it will never change. African R1b-V88 doesn't become West African by the virtue of being present in West Africans. Same thing with P1.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because IEs weren't even the first people to inhabit most of those regions anyways.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    neanderthals were in europe first

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > be Finno-Hungol/Basque
    > have cozy European culture
    > not related in any way shape or form to Pajeets
    > Pajeet-Europeans seethe
    Why do Pajeet-Europeans allow their cousins from the Indian subcontinent to flood Europe?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >not related in any way shape or form to Pajeets
      Hungary is the european country with the highest % of cygans as part of their core population

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hungary is 2.2%, Romania is 3.4%.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > we're not Pajeet-Europeans, you're the Pajeet-Europeans
        Gypsies and all other Pajeet-Europeans will be deported from Hungary.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are asking for "historical justification" for history that already happened. You are one dumb frick.

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