What is the historical reason why so many Africans arrived in the Caribbean? and so many Italians to the Southern Cone?

What is the historical reason why so many Africans arrived in the Caribbean? and so many Italians to the Southern Cone?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    slavery and european migration, anon this is well known

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you imagine leaving Europe looking for a better life, and instead of going to the United States or Canada like someone sensible, you go to fricking Brazil?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        At the time they were all uncertain frontiers.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          In the late 19th and early 20th, it's pretty reasonable to assume that the United States is your best bet if you want to start a new life. It speaks volumes that this is the only remnant of Italian culture in Brazil.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are correct, for some reason I was thinking of earlier.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Many came after the US started having really strict immigration quotas

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's a cope. Many Germans immigrated in S. America during this period and they weren't restricted. Just admit that Brazil and Argentina were prosperous enough to attract all kind of foreigners, this isn't some delusional claim but actually something well known and well documented.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Southern America was way better then cletus.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        A lot of Latin American countries were easier to emigrate to, so people decided to pack up and go to Brazil or Venezuela instead of waiting potentially years before being approved to move to the States. At the time, the disparity between the countries wasn't so great, too.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Argentina at least was considered to be on par with the USA for quality of life, annd opportunities to prosper for migrants, and had huge potential for decades.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          argentina never had a industrial complex remotely similar or comparable to the US; it's on the best scenario a mid tier agricultural producer, The best they had was a bunch of british investors in the middle 19th and early 20th century like bering brothers playing with financial speculation on trains and swindling them.

          No latin american country ever was tho. Hence why the cia buckbroke them all at once with few issues

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Argentina was buck broken by Peronism and subhuman immigration, not by the CIA.
            Also nobody said they were the equal of the US in term of power and industrialization, just that it was a nice comfy place to settle in, as evidenced by the many europeans of various background that went there. Why is it so hard to admit?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Once Britain stopped buying theur beef the state lost a ton of money and sustained revenue.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >instead of going to filthy squalid cities full of Black folk, you go to a tropical paradise of fertile land and sunshine

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >tropical pradise
          >fertile land
          >sunshine
          You've never even seen photographs of Brazil, have you?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            moron, it wasn't an urban shithole when they first went there

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, it was a backwater shithole.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Brazil before the 1960's was actually a fine place to live. What happened was modern medicine was introduced and it began lowering the mortality rate of the poor. This caused a population explosion which caused the favelas which caused a rise in poverty which caused crime which caused even more poverty, etc. Its a cascading effect. There weren't nearly as many mutts there 100 years ago.

        Mexico had a similar story, the Mestizos didnt even exist until the late 19th century

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You left out the shitty economic polices Vargas pushed that everyone else left/right kept for decades.

          What really happened was that urbanization was starting in Brazil but the cities could not keep up with the flow or urban people. Cities also engaged in discriminatory policies based on several factors which hurt them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            and that rural-to-urban migration occurred because of Brazil industrializing so it would have still occurred no matter what because people were already moving by the 40s.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What really happened was that urbanization was starting in Brazil but the cities could not keep up with the flow or urban people.
            That's exactly what I just described. Why did you call me wrong and then restate exactly what I said but leave out the term "poor people?"

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The existence of modern medicine would not really change anything. These migration patterns Brazil was facing already occurred elsewhere in the world at a time where modern medicine (and anti-child/maternal mortality measures) weren't made or threshed out yet.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >These migration patterns Brazil was facing already occurred elsewhere in the world at a time where modern medicine (and anti-child/maternal mortality measures) weren't made or threshed out yet.
            And that's exactly why they were successful elsewhere. When Europe urbanized there was still a high mortality rate for everyone, so the economy had time to grow to facilitate the huge surge in population.
            When Brazil Began urbanizing in the early-mid 20th century, modern medicine had already arrived. It caused the urban population surge to be much, much worse than anything Europe or the USA had seen. The Favelas were built as a shitty attempt at housing the massive amounts of people heading to and growing up in the cities. The US and UK had plenty of time to build housing because the population surge wasn't nearly as large.

            Take a look at the tent cities arising in the USA right now as a result of practically unrestricted migration from Latin America into the US. The population is growing much faster than infrastructure can be built to handle them and it's causing a housing crisis, which gives rise to crime and ultimately creates a huge impoverished underclass in society.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Brazil was always shit, what is this shit tier revisionism? Not even the great Henry Ford could whip those Joaos into productive members of an industrial society.

          HAHAHA IMAGINE BEING AN ITALIAN WHO IMMIGRATED TO BRAZIL IN 1900 INSTEAD OF AMERICA OR EVEN FRICKING STAYING IN ITALY.
          THEN 124 YEARS LATER, BRAZIL IS 3RD WORLD AND LIVING STANDARDS ARE DOGSHIT WHILE ITALY THE COUNTRY YOU FLED IS 100X BETTER

          And none of your descendants even know their great grandfather was Italian, they think of themselves as only Brazilian.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Brazil was always shit, what is this shit tier revisionism
            No, it was much less negrified to start with.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Multiple American business magnates tried to diversify their portfolios by building and capitalizing on Brazil's underdevelopment in the 19th and 20th century, their success would have inevitably built Brazil up into being a model replica of the United States. Would have. They all failed. Why did they fail? Because the people were of the same consistency as loose mud and wet sand. You can't build a strong house on weak ground.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Brazil was always shit, what is this shit tier revisionism
            No, it was much less negrified to start with.

            Multiple American business magnates tried to diversify their portfolios by building and capitalizing on Brazil's underdevelopment in the 19th and 20th century, their success would have inevitably built Brazil up into being a model replica of the United States. Would have. They all failed. Why did they fail? Because the people were of the same consistency as loose mud and wet sand. You can't build a strong house on weak ground.

            >Brazil was always shit, what is this shit tier revisionism
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_II_of_Brazil

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The people enjoyed his reign because he was soft, ineffectual, and weak.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Believe if you will that Brazil wasn't so much of a shithole back then

        >These migration patterns Brazil was facing already occurred elsewhere in the world at a time where modern medicine (and anti-child/maternal mortality measures) weren't made or threshed out yet.
        And that's exactly why they were successful elsewhere. When Europe urbanized there was still a high mortality rate for everyone, so the economy had time to grow to facilitate the huge surge in population.
        When Brazil Began urbanizing in the early-mid 20th century, modern medicine had already arrived. It caused the urban population surge to be much, much worse than anything Europe or the USA had seen. The Favelas were built as a shitty attempt at housing the massive amounts of people heading to and growing up in the cities. The US and UK had plenty of time to build housing because the population surge wasn't nearly as large.

        Take a look at the tent cities arising in the USA right now as a result of practically unrestricted migration from Latin America into the US. The population is growing much faster than infrastructure can be built to handle them and it's causing a housing crisis, which gives rise to crime and ultimately creates a huge impoverished underclass in society.

        Good post

        Brazil was always shit, what is this shit tier revisionism? Not even the great Henry Ford could whip those Joaos into productive members of an industrial society.
        [...]
        And none of your descendants even know their great grandfather was Italian, they think of themselves as only Brazilian.

        >And none of your descendants even know their great grandfather was Italian, they think of themselves as only Brazilian.
        People brag about having foreign ancestors on their family tree because it sets them apart from most of the brown mess Brazil became

        Black people have done more for Brazilian culture than their 20th century European- Brazilian counterparts (obviously the old stock White Brazilians have done many great things).

        Such as?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It was even worse. Life in Brazil is cheap today, it was practically free back then.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this is well known

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes anyone that isn't moronic or american knows there were slaves and waves of migrations to melting pots in south america

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Afro Asiatics would’ve been great. West Africans were a mistake.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Caribbean was slave trade and malaria resistance, they liked having slaves they could at least get a few years of work out of before they died

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    sugar plantations needed resilient slave workers. the locals didn't cut it. when the soil was exhausted the british ended slavery and invented wage slavery at home.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    HAHAHA IMAGINE BEING AN ITALIAN WHO IMMIGRATED TO BRAZIL IN 1900 INSTEAD OF AMERICA OR EVEN FRICKING STAYING IN ITALY.
    THEN 124 YEARS LATER, BRAZIL IS 3RD WORLD AND LIVING STANDARDS ARE DOGSHIT WHILE ITALY THE COUNTRY YOU FLED IS 100X BETTER

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just do the law of return bro
      >T. Gonzalo Pinachetti, enjoying an italian passport and ocassionally larping as an european.

      Brazil was always shit, what is this shit tier revisionism? Not even the great Henry Ford could whip those Joaos into productive members of an industrial society.
      [...]
      And none of your descendants even know their great grandfather was Italian, they think of themselves as only Brazilian.

      Fordlandia was fricking moronic. You need to be a special kind of moron to try to turn a village in the Amazon populated by mensus and pardo rubber workers into an ideal mid-west company town.

      Multiple American business magnates tried to diversify their portfolios by building and capitalizing on Brazil's underdevelopment in the 19th and 20th century, their success would have inevitably built Brazil up into being a model replica of the United States. Would have. They all failed. Why did they fail? Because the people were of the same consistency as loose mud and wet sand. You can't build a strong house on weak ground.

      >model replica of the United States.
      I can't tell if you are doing a re-enactment or you are being genuine and are an endangered species of american WASP.
      Very curious.

      >tropical pradise
      >fertile land
      >sunshine
      You've never even seen photographs of Brazil, have you?

      Brazil is still a huge country.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        And by endangered species of american WASP. I mean the naive and at his core good natured pious germanic protestant who thinks the entire world should be just like the U.S, specifically the north, the midwest, or california. When they excel they are usually west pointers or business tycoons.
        You really don't see that type of person very often anymore.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    HAHAHA HOW DO THE WHITE SETTLERS OF BRAZIL AND ARGENTINA FEEL THESE DAYS WHEN THE COUNTRIES THEIR ANCESTORS FLED FROM BECAUSE OF POVERTY ARE 2X TO 5X RICHER THAN THEIR SHITHOLE COUNTRIES NOW

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Black people have done more for Brazilian culture than their 20th century European- Brazilian counterparts (obviously the old stock White Brazilians have done many great things).

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