What is the truth about Yasuke.

What is the truth about Yasuke.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yasuke was a real black guy brought there as a Portuguese Jesuist priest bodyguard, a very tall (188cm when average people were around 150cm) and muscular guy. Nobonaga Oda, one of the big lords of the time, got very impressed because he was the first black guy he saw and made him bath in front of him to see if he really was black. Bathing him shown him even more black.

      He liked Yasuke, and claimed he had the strength of ten (Japanese) men, so "adopted" him.Further, plenty of evidence suggests Yasuke was promoted to samurai after his initial acceptance by Nobunaga. For example, he was given a stipend, a sword, a house, and a servant. While not the estate often gifted to samurai, that's not something someone low-level was gifted by their lords, and Yasuke being a foreigner may have played into that. Unfortunately, due to much of the mention of him being from Jesuit missionary sources, we don't know too much beyond what they were there to witness or record.
      Scholarly consensus is that the data is inconclusive, but I'd say there's honestly a better case to be made that he was than that he wasn't, and he was certainly more than some low-level page or "pet' as I've seen some suggest.
      For further research, if anyone is interested: a lecture from a professor at Nihon University in Tokyo who has studied Yasuke pretty extensively. Gives a pretty good idea of what we know for sure, what we don't, and what the evidence suggests.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Further, plenty of evidence suggests Yasuke was promoted to samurai
        What evidence? None of the primary sources we have of him mention this.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Shincho Koki says he was given a samurai's stipend, a sword, and a house

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >All samurai had surnames (even William Adams was given one), but Yasuke remained simply "Yasuke" until the end.

          >He was equipped with only a short sword, not the two swords typical of samurai.

          >He never went to the battlefield to fight.

          There is more evidence suggesting that he was not a samurai.
          Even if Nobunaga granted him a rank of samurai, that's kind of a joke on sake party.
          Nobunaga is famous for making fun of people by doing ridiculous things.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ah yes the classic argument known as cope

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >How did an African-born warrior make the leap from a bodyguard to a European missionary, to elite warrior and confidant to Japan’s most powerful warlord, to 21st-century pop culture icon?
        Lmao he didn't. He was still a bodyguard serving Nobunaga. He was retained as "kosho" which is roughly equivalent to "page", not samurai.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Samurai isn't as decorative a term as it was in Edo, if you had a sword and political connections it was virtually the same thing. Most samurai around this time were also farmers, a bushi and a samurai in function were the same. Furthermore Japan didn't have a unified culture so the confines of what a samurai is and is not is entirely up to Oda Clan traditions. Japan was not a kingdom nor was it an empire virtually every clan viewed themselves as separate countries and dynasties.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he could been Arab or Indian
        >Canada
        Holy cope

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        did someone measure his height, or it was just a guess?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          150cm vs 188cm is a head and a half taller, so the Japs would come up to Yasukes collarbone

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Portuguese Jesuist priest
        Italian Jesuit, Alessandro Valignano, but working from Portuguese Macau and under the Portuguese branch of the Jesuits.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Yasuke was promoted to samurai
        This part is false, he never had the title "Samurai", and he was specifically given the title "Kosho" which precludes him from having ever been a Samurai. There is no evidence he was a Samurai and the evidence actually stands against that, logically. His association with the Samurai is purely due to the west's obsession with Samurai and lack of knowledge of anything else. It is pophistory cringe of the highest order.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he wasn’t a samurai cope

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Portuguese Jesuist
        Italian (but part of a portuguese delegation)

        >bodyguard
        slave

        >188cm
        182cm

        >and muscular
        No such thing has been recorded about Yasuke, only his height

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was Black

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ᵇlack

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Black person who spent 15 months in japan without accomplishing anything of note the only reason he is even remembered is because of skin color. He was also not a samurai as revisionists like to claim.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was an incredibly strong, noble and gifted warrior who could take several samurais in one istant

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >several samurais in one istant
      >like one Celtic or Scythian single handed btfo the Roman/Persian
      Bullshit but I believe it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean he was like 6’2 in time were being above 5’9 ment you were a giant

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is japan so they were more like 4'0
          japs are a pygmy race and the chinks knew japan as the land of the midgets

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he was a black slave that was given as a pet to a japanese lord who kept him as a clown for a while before sending him away when his Black behavior became intolerable

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was a guy who peeked the interest of Nobunaga who was agreed upon by academic consensus to have been a samurai who fought as a Retainer under Nobunaga who was particularly found of him letting him dine with him. He was given some land a stipen and servants for his service and was there during the famous betrayal as well as having fought under Nobunaga’s son as well. his last possible sightings on record comes from the Battle of Okitanawate fighting as a ronin. The Shogunate has a pretty good video on this I’d recommend

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  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That there's not much to the story. So you could pretty much fill in the blanks with anything.
    Like him becoming a pirate after the siege of Nobunaga's castle.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it would be cool if actual japanese warriors were glorified, not just for being black

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I saw a comment on the Japanese internet saying that the relationship between Nobunaga and Yasuke is literally like Michael Jackson and Bubbles.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are very few things known about him that are definitive, not even his name. The name "Yasuke" is a modern invention that originated in a fictional children's book from the late 1960s. None of the primary sources say anything about him being made a retainer or receiving a stipend—not the Shichōkoki, not in Luis Frois' Cartas, nor any other contemporary account. He *was* given a sum of money by Oda Nobunaga's nephew during their first meeting, but the context makes it quite clear that this was more in the form of a tip in exchange for entertaining them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The shincho koki absolutely shows him receiving a stipend, and confirms his name was indeed Yasuke too.

      >然に彼黒坊被成御扶持、名をハ号弥助と、さや巻之のし付幷私宅等迄被仰付、依時御道具なともたさせられ候、
      >"This black man called Yasuke was given a stipend, a private residence, etc., and was given a short sword with a decorative sheath. He is sometimes seen in the role of weapon bearer."

      The term for stipend Gyuichi uses here, 扶持 (Fuchi), is used by him several other times exclusively to refer to payment for samurai.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Being given a stipend doesn't make one a samurai "Fuchi" were given to retainers aswell.
        Find me a primary source that states that he was a samurai.
        Not just: "oh well he had these thing and got that so he was probably a samurai".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He can't find you a source because he is copy and pasting all this green text from a redditor. I've seen these comments word for word, even with the Japanese quotations. This Thomas Lockley is a western man spreading this rhetoric of Yasuke and his samurai status. Yet, I have not seen any Japanese scholars ever come out and speak on the matter. Even then, I question the motives of Lockley, as he has peddled a book, that is more speculative then anything, talking of battles and events that Yasuke might have been at. Reviews of his literature on Yasuke have critiqued it calling it more of an action novel or speculative history from readers.

          That being said, I believe Nobunaga was clearly fond of the man, and if he never met his demise, would have eventually granted him the title of samurai, just never got around to it due to ongoing conquest. I personally don't believe that he would have ever returned Yasuke to the Jesuits.

          >All samurai had surnames (even William Adams was given one), but Yasuke remained simply "Yasuke" until the end.

          This wasn't a requirement for samurai until the Edo period several decades later

          >He was equipped with only a short sword, not the two swords typical of samurai.

          See above.

          >He never went to the battlefield to fight.

          Lui Frois' writings tell us he fought at Nijo alongside Oda Nobutada. Prior to that, we also have confirmation he was mobilized by Nobunaga on his final campaign against the Takeda according to the journal entries of Matsudaira Ietada

          You have to be a moron if you think Nobunaga was actually on the front lines. If Yasuke was anywhere it would be by his lord's side safely behind a wall of rifles. Present yes, but fighting no.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Fuchi were given to retainers as well
          Others may have used the word differently throughout Japanese history, but Gyuichi clearly used the word in the context of samurai being paid.

          >Find me a primary source that states that he was a samurai.
          A lack of written confirmation that he was a samurai isn't required. We can infer with the evidence we have that he was one.

          He can't find you a source because he is copy and pasting all this green text from a redditor. I've seen these comments word for word, even with the Japanese quotations. This Thomas Lockley is a western man spreading this rhetoric of Yasuke and his samurai status. Yet, I have not seen any Japanese scholars ever come out and speak on the matter. Even then, I question the motives of Lockley, as he has peddled a book, that is more speculative then anything, talking of battles and events that Yasuke might have been at. Reviews of his literature on Yasuke have critiqued it calling it more of an action novel or speculative history from readers.

          That being said, I believe Nobunaga was clearly fond of the man, and if he never met his demise, would have eventually granted him the title of samurai, just never got around to it due to ongoing conquest. I personally don't believe that he would have ever returned Yasuke to the Jesuits.

          [...]
          You have to be a moron if you think Nobunaga was actually on the front lines. If Yasuke was anywhere it would be by his lord's side safely behind a wall of rifles. Present yes, but fighting no.

          >He can't find you a source because he is copy and pasting all this green text from a redditor. I've seen these comments word for word, even with the Japanese quotations.
          One of the only places where I can find these exact quotes pertaining to Yasuke translated and sourced. Sue me

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >a lack of written confirmation that he was a samurai isn't required
            Yes it does. If he was a samurai he would've been referred to as such
            The notion that he was is purely a modern invention.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            thoughts?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the only source I am using is Le Reddit
            Yes, that is the exact problem. Western eyes looking at it through a western lens drawing western conclusions.You are just copying and pasting garble and assuming its conclusion is true. Please learn to be more critical.

            https://i.imgur.com/L7JgYu3.png

            thoughts?

            Samurai is a word that has been bastardized by the west, just like the Japanese have bastardized the word Bushido.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nope, my source is the Shincho koki. If my dirty western thinking is keeping me from seeing the truth, then provide some sources showing how someone given a samurai's stipend, a sword, and mobilized in a military campaign by a daimyo wouldn't have been considered a bushi at this time.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >One of the only places where I can find these exact quotes pertaining to Yasuke translated and sourced. Sue me
            >my source is the Shincho koki

            Which is it? And you are right. If he was anything he would be a bushi, not a samurai. Samurai was a class/title granted upon those not born into it. If you listen to my conclusion, at the time of Nobunaga's death, he was not granted the title of samurai. Even writers from that era speculated if Oda would grant him the title of "lord," so it is clear at some point he was not granted such status.

            Another is the use of the word bushi. Bushi are like rectangles. Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles. All Samurai at this time were bushi, but not all bushi were samurai.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Your source is where you found your source
            The absolute state of IQfy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, my critique is blindly regurgitating garble that a redditor said and assuming their conclusion is true.

            >A lack of written confirmation that he was a samurai isn't required.

            How can you say that we need no proof, especially in a case as extraodinary as this, as well as contemporaries and other sources calling into question his status.

            could be talking cool heroes like taira or musashi clan but instead it's ambiguous character teter on pure fiction or non fiction

            No, its much more fun to say that the 4th great unifier of Japan was Yasuke, a man with 5 mentions. There is actually a missing piece of the famous proverb I just uncovered.

            Nobunaga says "Little bird, if you don't sing I will kill you".
            Hideyoshi says "Little bird, if you don't sing, I'll make you sing".
            Tokugawa Ieyasu says to the bird "Little bird, if you don't sing I will wait for you to sing".
            Yasuke says "Little bird, if you don't sing, then I will teach you critical race theory and compassion."

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All samurai had surnames (even William Adams was given one), but Yasuke remained simply "Yasuke" until the end.

    This wasn't a requirement for samurai until the Edo period several decades later

    >He was equipped with only a short sword, not the two swords typical of samurai.

    See above.

    >He never went to the battlefield to fight.

    Lui Frois' writings tell us he fought at Nijo alongside Oda Nobutada. Prior to that, we also have confirmation he was mobilized by Nobunaga on his final campaign against the Takeda according to the journal entries of Matsudaira Ietada

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To add to this, people bring up William Adams/Miura Anjin as a "counter-example" that samurai needed two names, but he was a hatamoto with a stipend of 250 koku and an influential advisor to the Tokugawa shogunate, not a mere samurai.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he was a black guy, nobunaga thought he was novelty and added him to his court as some blacks had been in european kingdoms, he bore witness to the downfall of nobunaga, he wasn't deemed worth killing by nobunaga's enemies and was delivered back to europeans on nobunaga's death.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was secretly the king of Japan ruling from the shadows.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Black person: japan
    :O

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not only was he a FULLY TRAINED samurai (and he didnt just have the social rank*) but he was actually one of the GREATEST samurai to ever live and he could kill thousands of men.
    All BECAUSE he was BLACK, chud.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine a Finnish samurai?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Historians won't tell you this but he was actually Taiwanese. Don't let people conflate dark skin with being african. He most likely looked like rodtang from muay thai.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Token nig so we can have more canon interracial hentai.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Found this guy on twitter, he seems to know a lot about all these things
    He claims Yasuke wasn't a samurai
    He even made a troll post claiming Yasuke was LGBT before Ubisoft confirmed it (kek)
    https://x.com/bunburyoudouuk/status/1791977191900856783

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They turned Yasuke zesty
      Nasheed was right

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ubisoft wasn't going to get White men to play the game because it's not WM/AF, Asian men won't get it because it's not AM/AF, and Black men won't get it because they made Yasuke a gay. Who do they expect to buy this shit? The morons that dedicate their lives to defending woke slop?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    could be talking cool heroes like taira or musashi clan but instead it's ambiguous character teter on pure fiction or non fiction

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Yasuke was made a samurai then what was his family name?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      negrinobu

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobunaga's pet Black. The seething about the game is just viral marketing and you're a c**t for wither about it. Also, it's very credible in assassin's creed lore that he'd be an assassin, so stop complaining and buy the game or dont.

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