what makes it so slow and shit?

is winapi just a horrible way to interact with the kernel components?
is the kernel itself designed horribly and can't assign the processes/threads like a sane made system should?
is the userspace software bloat ,adware/spyware and update pipes are too demanding?

ITT we discuss the reasons why windows is so slow and shit

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All modern CPU's have logic to identify whether or not executed code is licensed with the GNU GPL. If it isn't they throttle to prevent overheating.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's intentionally designed to be slow to force people to upgrade their hardware. A similar thing has happened to linux ever since many major projects got sponsored by large corporations. I recently updated a C2D 2GB RAM HDD machine from a 2017 linux distro to a 2023 linux distro, and it was unbearably slow, even before opening firefox, which it could barely use at all. 6 years ago it worked great as my primary machine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what distro?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        mint cinnamon
        i think i installed lxde or lxqt after which was better, don't use it anymore outside of a toy machine

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          mint should work on 15 year old computer just fine.
          maybe try xfce

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      almost all of that is the fault of userspace, not the kernel

      https://i.imgur.com/13igGPs.png

      is winapi just a horrible way to interact with the kernel components?
      is the kernel itself designed horribly and can't assign the processes/threads like a sane made system should?
      is the userspace software bloat ,adware/spyware and update pipes are too demanding?

      ITT we discuss the reasons why windows is so slow and shit

      There was an MS employee who posted a rant some years ago complaining about this. Basically it's that there's no career incentive to improve things. Management notices you for delivering flashy new features that the sales department wants, spending time on under-the-hood improvements and reducing technical debt is ignored at best or makes them pissy with you (for not working on the above new features) at worst, so nobody at MS does it.

      mint should work on 15 year old computer just fine.
      maybe try xfce

      with 2GB he'd be better served by a bare WM, no DE. e.g. Xfce comes with it's own reimplementation of the windows registry (xfconf) and runs a daemon just for that. Could it use dotfiles like sane programs? yeah, but they don't care and feel free to waste some of your memory because that's easier for them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >xfce comes with it's own reimplementation of the windows registry (xfconf)
        idk why do you bring this up.
        >with 2GB he'd be better served by a bare WM, no DE
        anon xfce is the lightest you can get and it will work on 1GHz processor with 1GB of ram perfectly fine.
        other than firefox everything will run smooth, and you can always use a different browser

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >forced upgrades
      I noticed this, but a little different:
      Windows 11 works better on my new machine over Windows 10. It's likely performance bugs are deliberately not backported for obvious reason.

      >xfce comes with it's own reimplementation of the windows registry (xfconf)
      idk why do you bring this up.
      >with 2GB he'd be better served by a bare WM, no DE
      anon xfce is the lightest you can get and it will work on 1GHz processor with 1GB of ram perfectly fine.
      other than firefox everything will run smooth, and you can always use a different browser

      even xfce isn't the lightest, you need something like JWM, Openbox etc.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >xfce isn't the lightest
        i meant a none meme functional DE

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          lxde and lxqt are lighter than xfce, and I wouldn't call them "meme" DEs; they are perfectly usable
          have you used xfce recently? it is bloated, albeit less than the other options

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >lxde and lxqt are lighter than xfce
            they are also useless.
            >have you used xfce recently?
            yeh its fine run on any toaster no need to tinker my way for shit to work

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            how are lxde and lxqt useless? they have a functional bottom bar, they open applications fine, there's a decent start menu, and everything just works

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i bet that synchronization with other programs like wine launchers for example will frick this up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >and it was unbearably slow
      stop using DEs. most bloated process is usually just xorg. lightweight wm barely takes anything that xorg already taking. on pure tty, shit's fast as frick, even on hdd

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All you need is an SSD, I still use a c2d Thinkpad and it's fine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      cause everyone wants muh aesthetic features now so they're bloating the shit out of everything.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >windows is le slow!!
    >meanwhile, every fricking Linux native software from Firefox to Audacity to Thunderbird to everything else runs faster on Windows than on Linux

    Please explain this autism to me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >please explain why my false statements are true
      i can't

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Firefox and Audacity run much faster on linux than on windows. So does libreoffice. I don't use thunderbird, but I highly doubt it runs faster on Windows.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Run any fricking browser benchmark on the same rig, on Windows and Linux, Windows will get a better score.
        Also everything that runs OpenGL or Vulkan runs better on Windows, you can test this with any benchmark that offers a Linux version such as Superposition.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          browser benchmarks are pretty irrelevant for general browsing
          who the frick cares about games

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A lot of distros simply do not account for the UEFI power plans, processor scheduling of the latest CPUs. I bet there are ways to configure, but sometimes there is not, like on MSI boards.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          show the benchmark or frick off

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            burden of proof is on OP.
            Windows is straight up faster than Linux. boots faster, loads programs faster. the "bloat" is windows is one step ahead of you preloading programs. it's a real OS, it knows what you're going to do and is waiting ready like an obedient dog. linux is a lazy bullshit pet like a lizard. sitting on rock doing nothing "oh wow but the lizard is only 2 pounds it's so lightweight" get fricked freetard, enjoy your no games

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            burden of proof is on the one who make the claim.
            you claim that firefox work faster on windows according to your delusions.
            show the benchmark or frick off

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i'm talking about OP claiming linux is faster than windows. it's not. firefox is the slowest browser on any OS it's not the year 2010 so benchmarking firefox is like racing turtles

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Try it yourself and you'll see I am right, you run Linux so you're probably neet with lots of free time, just make a partition, install Windows, install all the drivers and updates, and try Firefox with any browser speed test. Then spend the rest of your weekend trying to figure out why Windows is much faster than your shitty ass distro that you spent months customizing and ridding of "bloat", while I enjoy my vidya games and faster browsing and overall experience on Windows.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >moronic Black person really thinks generic AMD64 builds can beat fine tuned to your specific processor IQfyentoo binaries compiled by yourself
            have a nice day, why are you still breathing my air?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >compiled his own browser from source on his poorgay rig, which probably took several days
            >but doesn't have the time to test it himself on his own computer, which takes around half an hour at best

            You cannot be convinced so I'm not wasting my time Black person. The only way you can be convinced is to try it yourself, but you don't want to, so keep living your delusional fantasies and get fricked troony. Btw I run Linux Mint on several older machines that I use or that I gave to my elderly parents, so yeah, if you run an old system with very limited resources that are below what W11 requires, then yes, Linux is better than Windows. But on anything that is even slightly modern, Windows 11 is faster and this is a fact.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >took several days
            Broke Black person alert!
            Also...
            >dude trust me generic builds do account for most bleeding edge CPU instructions
            Is not a valid argument.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I have a custom built gaming rig running W11 connected to a 48 inch OLED gaming monitor so I'm not a broke troony like you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Of that was the case, it wouldn't take you as much time to compile a browser from source as a fricking Core 2 Duo, moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The basic reason is, for example, installing Debian on a gaymen rig is suboptimal, and so a lot of performance is unused. Whatever debloat in Debian gets cancelled out by suboptimal configuration.

            I guess the best way is to test a OEM linux machine vs. a OEM Windows machine.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And OP claim that Windows is slower than Linux
            So what now Jeet, wanna play?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >enjoy your no games
            get fricked Black person

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Try it yourself Black person, it's not like me wasting 30 minutes dualbooting my PC and running benchmarks is going to change your mind, you'll blame it some autistic reason that isn't actually true, then resort to ad hominem and "works on my machine", so what's even the point since I'm never going to convince your austistic Black person ass.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It could be a drivers issue, especially Linux GPU drivers. Or it may be those pieces of software have less advanced hardware acceleration, even if the GPU driver is full spec proprietary.

      https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No comment on the software you mentioned, but it's well known that certain operations in certain developer-oriented software like git status and npm install are noticeably slower in Windows than in Linux. The simple explanation for this is that Windows is just slower than Linux at certain filesystem operations (eg. the Windows equivalents of stat and readdir,) and those programs, like a lot of development software, were designed for Linux first. If they were designed for Windows first, they'd have stuff like caches, databases, thread pools, persistent background processes, etc. to work around Windows' slow filesystem (I think git has some of those, but they're not well developed.)

      There's a few reasons why Windows' filesystem is slow, like the NTFS driver being slow, the whole IFS design being done in a way that prevents Windows having the same operations for stat and readdir that Linux has, and the fact that most Windows installs have antivirus software intercepting filesystem operations. If you want to see Microsoft admit it's slow, check this out https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dev-drive/ . A Dev Drive is a partition specifically designed for stuff like git repos and package managers. It uses ReFS (because NTFS is slow,) it disables most filesystem filters (because IFS is slow) and it puts the antivirus in "performance mode" (because antivirus is slow.)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >same operations
        *same optimizations

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I am posting under the assumption that Windows users on IQfy completely disable the Windows Defender Antivirus due to privacy concerns. Who even uses an Antivirus and posts on IQfy at the same time? Anyway, Windows Defender mostly slows down programs opening, then it doesn't really interfere, according to my testing with extremely bloated professional engineering software with draconian DRM like Tekla Structures that I use on Windows.

        Besides, Linux doesn't even support HDR to this day so it's not even suited for HTPC builds. But yeah I admit that for running browser and email on decade old systems with 8Gb of RAM or less and no SSD it's much better than Windows 11.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Antivirus was only one of the things I mentioned.
          >according to my testing with extremely bloated professional engineering software
          Useless test probably. Your engineering software has hundreds of professionals who are paid to work around the slow parts of Windows, so it probably uses the filesystem as little as possible (and avoids other things Windows is slow at, like spawning processes.) If you try the tools I mentioned, they'll be slower with AV on. (Even Microsoft admits this.)
          >Besides, Linux doesn't even support HDR to this day so it's not even suited for HTPC builds
          HDR works just fine in Kodi/LibreELEC, so it's fine for HTPC builds (it also works on the Steam Deck.) Support in mainline Linux and X/Wayland desktop environments is lagging, but it should be here this year, eg. Plasma 6 (pic related, out next month) has support for HDR.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    windows is noticeably faster than linux, maybe not on used Thinkpads but on REAL machines

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Your filesystem alone cripples you before the race starts
      You can't escape the bloat, dont make me pull out more benchmarks kek

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because windows is made by pajeets for pajeets. Surely you're good golem and not some kind of unemployed neet?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Works on my machine.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I found WinApi to be quite fast especially on Windows XP, I would say even faster than GNU/Linux, but nobody uses it anymore, not directly. They use PajeetNET and Visual Pajeet as wrappers around it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There is no way winapi is faster than native system calls.
      the API layer needs to be processed before the signals what you are claiming don't make any sense

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >OP asks why windows is slow
    >ACTUALLY WINDOWS IS FASTER THAN LINUX THAT WASN'T EVEN MENTIONED BY OP BECAUSE I SAY SO ALSO YOU HAVE NO VIDEOGAMES AND HDR
    why are they like this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Paid pajeets shills who will defend anything for couple of rupees, Saar.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tbf he claim that its slow but compare to what?
      We all know that Linux shills are swarming this place and making pseudo technical arguments about Linux as the best available Operating system. this is misleading for newcomers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        IQfy easily has more Windows shills than Linux shills, and they're also the newcomers (it wasn't this bad 10 years ago.)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >compare to what?
        to the manifestation of time?
        if it take 1 minute to boot on new computers its slow, if PE file take 5-10 seconds to load its slow, if closing processes for some reason takes more than 1 second its fricking slow.
        its just slow Black person

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, it is slow, you fricking dumb b***h

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >turn to insults without presenting a counterargument
            false logic is the subBlack person iq language

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you're a fricking dumb Black person, go frick yourself

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Windows users on IQfy have the biggest inferiority complex imaginable

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    suck my dick homosexual israelite

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you suck your own fricking dick you homosexual

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's fricking bloat m8

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The ranking unironically goes like this :
    1.Mac os
    2.Linux
    3.power gap
    4.Windows

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why the Windows shills active so much recently?
    What happened?
    Just use whatever works for you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if you say that something someone use is not good or even "shit" its obviously insulting and they can't resist the uncontrollable urge to respond because they are new homosexuals who only recently sucked into this moronic and anti social board

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So maybe stop insulting people and instead learn from each other, Windows users understand this operating system and game setup better than you.
        They also know how to use modern communication systems like Discord and are nicer in general.
        This elitism makes me sick, you are no better than us

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I've been a low-level winapi developer for over 15 years, which is part of how I know it sucks. The average IQfy Windows user does not understand Windows better than me. I don't care if they're a "game setup" expert.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So maybe go to Reddit and stay there if you're looking for a hug box safe space, homosexual.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          what can i possibly "learn" from a cucked windows user?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://blog.zorinaq.com/i-contribute-to-the-windows-kernel-we-are-slower-than-other-oper/

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >what makes it so slow and shit?
    Unless you daily-drive something old, it should run fine. Don't expect modern Windows to run well on your c2d reddit terminal.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's the concurrent monitoring and indexing, fact checking and social credit score updating with our overlords that slows it down.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The kernel is the only redeeming thing about Windows, it's much better than any UNIX one. All the shittiness is in userspace.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      See

      https://blog.zorinaq.com/i-contribute-to-the-windows-kernel-we-are-slower-than-other-oper/

      and https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/873#issuecomment-425272829
      The kernel sucks too, by admission of the kernel developers. Don't you wonder why Windows is rarely picked for tasks that need raw performance (supercomputers, render farms, etc.)?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Works on my machine.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >is winapi just a horrible way to interact with the kernel components?
    in some places yes, but it's not the source of the problem.
    >is the kernel itself designed horribly and can't assign the processes/threads like a sane made system should?
    no. threads work better on windows, while the process model doesn't follow unix. anyway, it's not source of the problem for windows. only software that was ported from unix to windows can suffer from this due to inherit idiosyncrasies between the both.
    >is the userspace software bloat ,adware/spyware and update pipes are too demanding?
    yes. literally this.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WoMM, maybe try decent hardware??

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