What was best case for CSA had they won their independence?

Considering even Brazil gave up slavery 22 years after, CSA had maybe 30 years before it collapsed, right?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Slavery was already a decadent institution. It wouldn't have lasted long.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      americans were exceedingly efficient at slavery and it was highly profitable

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        A broken Apartheid style state with pretty much non-stop black insurgencies (funded by the northern states), until it was reconquered by the industrialised north.

        It was at first, then industrialism happened and the slave run agricultural industries of the South were unable to compete. It's what happens if you insist on keeping an archaic and inefficient economic system long after its time.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Industrialization is a meme, the north didn't have much industry outside of textiles. It would be another 30 years after the civil war before combines were first used and it would be a further 60 years until a cotton picker was made. Even then blacks would have been incorporated into other parts of the labor force, for than likely the burgeoning textile industry in the south and they probably would have given the north a run for their money until somebody inevitably sponsored a communist revolution and the government would have to capitulate, die, or crack down on the Black folk

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Industrialization is a meme
            >This is your brain on Lost Cause-ism

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >this moron doesn’t what a McCormick harvester is
            Typical brain-rotted dixietard

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >industrialized... wheat farming
            yeah that's cool

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm gonna make your mind break. How about you build a factory... and make slaves work in it? You can train a slave to do some educated worker jobs too btw.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because doing that would break the social order that slavery had created in the South, and that was at least as important to the men making the decisions for the Confederacy as anything else.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How about you build a factory... and make slaves work in it?
            I think the main problem with this is that you're putting a frickton of slaves in one place. Even larger plantations very few got past 100 and only like 10 or so had more than 500 dispersed over hundreds of acres. Part of it was the aristocratic nature the South that preferred agriculture over factories and the other was they didn't really want massive number of slaves in one building or even complex. Oversees watched farm work and slaves used short hoes which forced slaves to bend down to do farmwork, making it easier for the overseer to manage slaves. A factory is loud, cramped place. Overseers would have difficulty managing slaves and ensuring they were doing work. It also gives slaves cover to organize. A factory would also need to be an urban environment, where slaves are housed close to the factory, and infrastructure to support them - at least roads/rail. This makes it more likely slaves could flee.

            The South lived in terror of a full fledge slave revolt. Agriculture was useful in that slaves could be separated and divided over a large area. Factories would encourage a proto-union-like movement among slaves and make it easier for them to organize and rebel.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >this is what marxists actually believe

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            not him, but you're a fricking moron. historically speaking, factories have been breeding grounds for revolutionaries to spread their message.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            cool so where are the rebellions in the foxconn factories

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you this moronic?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >suppressed in an hour
            Yawn

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bro there are literally millions of people who are basically slaves working in factories.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >When you tell a Dixie moron that they would have just made the slave coal miners and factory workers.

            If you know how poor the working conditions of those two industries were in the 1800s it would have been that but much worse.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            there's a reason the british got rid of the major indian "industries" and turned them into serfs

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Serfs are lot more profitable, less capital investment and less costs for turnover

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Brazil abolished slavery due to pressure from other Western powers. There's no reason to think a Confederacy that won the war wouldn't have continued the practice it was explicitly founded on protecting. The only change being with industrialization slaves would have been used in factories instead of plantations.

      >Slavery was already a decadent institution. It wouldn't have lasted long.
      It sill exists today in much of the world. Large corporations in America love hiring illegal immigrants who they pay a fraction of the minimum wage. Or outsourcing American jobs to third world countries where the workers are little better than slaves.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    This alternate history video has them doing it about 20 years after winning independence (they do so very early on thanks to Lee's orders not being intercepted, and interestingly it's Lee's nephew who accomplishes this task)

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only way the CSA could prolong its existence would be by conquering other lands to expand Slavery, which they themselves already knew to the point where things like the Knights of the Golden Circle existed. At least Dixie girls would have bigger butts because of the inevitable miscegenation.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah because the vast swaths of swamp ass forest country in the south couldn't have been more agriculturally exploited

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The same alt-history video I listed has them buying Cuba, Sonora(that state as well as Chihuahua and BC), and Rio Grande (OTL Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas and Coahuila)

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. The Civil war would've turned into a regular war over lands to the west. Lincoln wanted it for homesteading and dixoids wanted it for their Black person ranches.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Texan here. Texas in practice was allied with Native Americans and Mormons. We already knew there was no way we were going to make our jungle bunnies work in the desert. And California's more-fertile lands were too far.
        If we'd beat the New Mexican territorial government (which we did not) our plan was to use the newly-independent Pueblos and Mormons to secure our western flank and cut off Californian supply to the Union.
        The Caribbean was our slaveowners' hope, starting with Cuba. We didn't want the west except for the west not to frick with us like the Comanche used to frick with us.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The abolition of slavery was strictly forbidden by the CSA Constitution.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Complete balkanization, the states would find other shit to quarrel about and slowly secede away from each other.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Collapses in the late 19th, early 20th century because it's a shithole that's identity is based around chattel slavery.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Crippling dependence on European manufactured goods and slavery to the bank of England.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    2>3>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any scenario where the CSA somehow survives is a scenario where the CSA has a terrifyingly violent communist revolution somewhere down the line. Not necessarily a successful one, but definitely one with a level of strife that's usually reserved for when Chinese dynasties fall.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    why didn't they fortify the arizona territory more
    they had it for fifteen seconds

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    why did Confederate flag become source of butthurt in last decade when i remember in 90s nobody cared. Bill Clinton used it in background when he was running for president.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wokeness.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If CSA had won then America would have stayed a low population irrelevant shithole it was always supposed to be.

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