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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shit protocol, shit software (Element)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >shit protocol
      explain

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

      >shit protocol
      explain

      It's trying to be like Discord but was never designed for it in the first place and not user friendly.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bloat

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not normie friendly
    Signal won

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      any discussion of protocol or feature details is irrelevant.

      normies don't give a shit about open protocols or FOSS, discord is popular and user-friendly so that's all that matters, matrix is a non-starter

      old wizards don't care about voice chat shit and will stick to IRC til they're in the ground

      the five people who don't fall into either group use XMPP. matrix is DOA

      My normie friends all switched when I showed them it's the same as discord without the crashing and spying. Maybe you just need (real) friends.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        if they care about spying enough to switch, then they aren't normies. that or they're really stupid normies who care about "privacy" on a messaging app but still give all of their info to instagram/twitter/etc

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Most normies outside of America actually care about privacy

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And who would want normies as friends?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just write a discord addon in the browser that encrypts every single message you send. For servers you share a symmetric key, and for DMs you use pubkey or PGP exchange.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If they care about spying they aren't really normalgays
        Barelty any of mine care

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp
      [...]
      It's trying to be like Discord but was never designed for it in the first place and not user friendly.

      >Not normie friendly
      That's a good thing though, why would you want to chat with normalshit?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because, and I regret to inform you, we live in a society.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i use this
    also its mossad spyware

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    got btfo by xmpp

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Name one xmpp program that doesn't look and feel like a defunct chat app from 2001

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        gajim

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >gay-im

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        For mobile there's Siskin IM, Stork IM, and Conversations. For desktop, there's Gajim, Dino, and Kaiden.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          All of them look like shit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'll start using XMPP when Conversations changes its dogshit name and gets a desktop client to compete against Matrix's Element.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >xmpp
      nobody uses that shit

      gajim

      >gajim
      more like, goyim. lmao

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. Calls are weird and suck.
    2. The most popular client is still weird and sucks.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Protocol is a bloated, semi-centralized garbage that is popular in the open source community solely for being slightly better than its alternatives. IRC is outdated and only really tech hipsters cling to it and IRCv3 is forever away. Matrix's only advantage over XMPP is that its more streamlined and less complicated/messy to set up or develop on. Comes with Element to create a Slack/Discord like experience but much worse.
    Check out these articles: archive(dot)ph/GnYTl & ukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They built it on python, it was slow. Took too long to address how slow it was.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it literately has no phone app

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It literally has

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        My normie friends all switched when I showed them it's the same as discord without the crashing and spying. Maybe you just need (real) friends.

        > please use israeli spyware created by an israeli megacorp that got btfo by xmpp
        frick off, rabbi. not using your compromised israeliteslop.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's literally open source and you can set it up yourself so who cares who created it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            XZ utils is also open source

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bullshit argument. The alternative is closed source and doesn't even make a secret out of selling user data.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, the alternative is open source by a developer/team you can trust.
            > so who cares who created it
            XZ utils just showed how important trust is, and if anything highlighted the value of open source. If it were a closed team that got infiltrated, there would have been less eyes on it and no autistic German guy would've ever seen it.

          • 2 months ago
            NeoDaiz

            Open source exists so you DON'T have to trust developers.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Would you use software by Jia Tan just because it's open source?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am using software by Jia Tan at this very moment

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >implying matrix is not normie friendly
            What the frick are you talking about? It's literally easier to register to than D*scord, since it doesn't require a phone number or even an email in some cases.
            We have a flagship web client unlike xmpp etc freetard shit, normies don't get distro-choice-fear.
            Element's UI is intentionally the exact same as slack/discord too. All the technical poweruser shit is abstracted away (but available to us who like it).

            Matrix/Element is the ONLY normie friendly freetard platform with any chance of challenging D*scord.

            Not normie friendly
            Signal won

            >reddit types
            >"normie"
            Stay classy "oldgay"

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Projection

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            homie that shit only got caught and fixed because it was open source. all the backdoors in your proprietary software just stay hidden until the NSA finds them and then uses them instead of having them fixed

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          1. Its open source
          2. Amdocs hasn't been involved with matrix in years

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    any discussion of protocol or feature details is irrelevant.

    normies don't give a shit about open protocols or FOSS, discord is popular and user-friendly so that's all that matters, matrix is a non-starter

    old wizards don't care about voice chat shit and will stick to IRC til they're in the ground

    the five people who don't fall into either group use XMPP. matrix is DOA

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the five people who don't fall into either group use XMPP
      It's a bit more than 5, just not this crowd. Most of the darkweb drug dealers are using XMPP.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What went wrong?
    they tried for years to get europe to adopt it as part of EU's efforts to digitize all communications but the euros weren't interested in using israeli spyware controlled by israelites and americans. it's all been a downhill slide to irrelevancy ever since.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      ???
      https://element.io/blog/the-eu-digital-markets-act-is-here/

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >implying matrix is not normie friendly
    What the frick are you talking about? It's literally easier to register to than D*scord, since it doesn't require a phone number or even an email in some cases.
    We have a flagship web client unlike xmpp etc freetard shit, normies don't get distro-choice-fear.
    Element's UI is intentionally the exact same as slack/discord too. All the technical poweruser shit is abstracted away (but available to us who like it).

    Matrix/Element is the ONLY normie friendly freetard platform with any chance of challenging D*scord.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't matter, it's decentralized, encrypted, and simply not Discord so it will give normggers the ick

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/decentralized-matrix-messaging-network-says-it-now-has-115m-users/
    >This growth is nearly doubled from its 60 million users in July 2022, which by itself marked a 79% increase from the summer of 2021.

    Nothing went wrong. Matrix's userbase has been doubling every year.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I get they wanted to bootstrap their project really fast. But this slow as shit language is an albatross around the project's neck.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do you mean?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP, but their server software is so insanely slow that the devs actively encourage users to not join the main and largest instance. That'd be like Google promoting email heavily, but encouraging users to use anything but Gmail. I'm actually rooting for Matrix, I want them to succeed. They just have a lot of shit to sort out.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        To me, them pushing people towards other instances makes sense since they want to push the federation model. Too many eggs in one basket can cause all sort of issues. But it does seem pretty heavy

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >they want to push the federation model
          Then perhaps they should fix their federation. Matrix is only usable if you stick to one instance as synchronizing rooms between instances just breaks all the fricking time.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Elaborate. I have a personal server and had zero issues with other rooms except it taking insanely long to initially join, but that seems to have been a bug in Dendrite.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        who the hell except morons uses the main one anyway?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          How do you expect a decent chat service to become mainstream if there isn't a flagship instance to join that is accessible to normies?

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    same troony ideology
    same pozzed
    same anti privacy
    same anti security
    same anti freedom
    same censorship
    same snooping user data

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How Wachowsky sisters made 1 good movie and fricked up the rest?

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Element is an awful client and their concept of spaces (equivalent to servers) is confusing

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    scatterbrained FOSSslop

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What went wrong?

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its a confusing slow mess all wrapped in some encryption shit that will break every 4 messages.

    All we wanted was an extended version of mumble with some screen sharing to watch movies or something. If I wanted a private DM thing, I'd go somewhere else for that. Why does everything have to be some "discord killer" app for Gods sake.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are all the clients so janky?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Element X is comfy

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    self hosted Signal with the famous convenience of IRC

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Serious answer
    >Sync v3 STILL not fricking merged
    >Synapse is slow dogshit, but also only full-featured server
    >Notifications on mobile clients are fricky sometimes
    >Element Call is better than Jitsi, but needs to be integrated with clients
    >Spaces are weird and dumb and don't really properly group anything
    >Dogshit moderation tools (or so I've heard)
    Development seems to have slowed down considerably (they admitted to this recently in a blog post) and some MSCs desperately need to be merged to make the whole thing more useable.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      are weird and dumb and don't really properly group anything
      moderation tools (or so I've heard)
      these

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically all of this
      >Synapse is slow dogshit, but also only full-featured server
      Can't wait for Dendrite to finally replace it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Can't wait for Dendrite to finally replace it.
        Just two more weeks.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Can't wait for Dendrite to finally replace it.
        Just two more weeks.

        Dendrite or Conduit, I wonder which will be first.
        Then, they'd also need to provide some sort of migration script. I don't want to lose all my history just because I change server software.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Redpill me on bridges, I want to escape discord, telegram and other "apps" whilst humoring the people already there. How easy are they to set up, function well?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They work well but you lose encryption so you might as well just use the pozzled messengers

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you won't be able to join voice channels, the bridge isnt instantly responsive at times, pinging doesnt work, and of course, encryption isnt possible.
      Other than that its fine, but you are probably better off just making a fresh account and having a "filter". Just don't talk about sensitive topics with your friends on those platforms.
      Or even better, don't have friends!

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Matrix is a system anon
    and that system is our enemy.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the protocol somehow manages to be bloated and lacking at the same time. reference implementations suck major dick.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    shit protocol
    shit reference server implementation
    shit official client
    many loopholes to take-over/delete servers (see grapheneos dramas)

    it's honestly a miracle that this shitware is still a thing

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >itt seething virgins predenting to have friends

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      BWC>BBC

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was written in python

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The thing that glows about Matrix the most is how hard FUD about it is being spread by useful idiots. Instead of us rallying behind the only good successful FOSS alternative to big platforms, they have us endlessly bicker about vague israeli connections and some irrelevant and fixable implementation details nobody can even precisely name.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You glow even brighter than the shit you're complaining about. No one but a few election tourists gives a shit about some vague connections to Isreal. What glows about matrix is the huge amounts of data it sends home to matrix central servers.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >What glows about matrix is the huge amounts of data it sends home to matrix central servers.
        That's optional

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Vague israeli connections
      >Vague
      >Developed by Amdocs (Israeli company)
      Sure thing rabbi

      https://web.archive.org/web/20201219014215/https://samba.noblogs.org/post/2018/08/27/matrix-org-a-federated-app-funded-by-a-mossad-company/

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >a telecommunications company funds telecommunications software
        >must be the israelites
        They haven't been involved with matrix for years either.
        But stick to Discord, being funded by Tencent is obviously preferable.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >telecommunications company with ties to Israeli intelligence is OK
          >but stick to Discord
          Oh you're definitely a glowBlack person

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is the Mossad in the room with us right now? Can you point me to the Mossad backdoor or whatever they inserted to a FOSS protocol?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How many shekels are they paying you hourly?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you using computers at all? Half the shit you rely on daily was developed BY intelligence agencies, not merely funded by a company that may or may not have ties to one.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bingo there it is, the crocodile tears and butthurt

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was an argument though.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the main client's UI is utter dogshit, but feature rich
    no decentralized identities and back up servers so moving between homeservers is hard
    their cryptography implementation is hard to wori with on clients

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no decentralized identities
      How do you propose something like this would work? I don't think federating your password hash and other account details to any random server that asks is a good idea.
      Also homeserver admins have full control over their server and can just log in as any user that is registered to their server.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Something about your identity being based on public key cryptography and you being able to move it to other servers (with cooperation of your current server), IIRC. There have been several proposals, but none is actually implemented yet.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The way matrix works there is no way to have any sort of secure truly server-independent identities. Not without bunch of crypto bloat, by making absolutely everything e2ee and more-or-less peer2peer.
          You are able to "import", or more like auto-join rooms of a previous account. That's as good as it's ever going to get.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        see this discussion
        https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/issues/915

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can't you just use tripcodes? It sounds absurd but it works here.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >matrix
    garbage
    >telegram
    garbage
    >session
    garbage
    >signal
    garbage
    >discord
    good (Thumbs up emoji)

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    shit protocol and Mossad funded

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yet another attempt to make "revolutionary" software for an immediate cashgrab and leave it in disrepair after they get paid.

    Could've just expanded on irc, xmpp, or mumble but there's money involved so everyone is dishonest about this. The weird looking lead dev does damage control on hackernews and it always looks like spaghetti bullshit excuses.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    federation
    no e2ee

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it has e2ee tho
      and federation is good

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    These threads are in the catalog everyday and it never goes anywhere.

    Maybe making a list of grievances for every broken app/protocol like this so the next upgrade etc wont be redundant with the same issues.

    Matrix
    >poor moderation controls
    >metadata issues
    >no voice channels
    >server is slow
    Discord
    >we already know these
    IRC
    >no chat history
    >no replies
    XMPP
    >clients are bad and they all use different specs
    Signal, telegram etc
    >requires phone number
    >can't self host

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I keep hoping something will magically appear that will be perfect. I'm starting to think that Matrix is the best, by being the least bad.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        XMPP > Matrix
        It's just less complicated. Clients suck, but that's the worst of it. Matrix is bloated and they have a million unfinished features, which is stupid because they keep complaining about running out of money.
        Settling for worst of the evils is just a bad idea. I'd rather get what I actually want.

        >metadata issues
        Like what?
        >poor moderation controls
        Like what precisely again?
        For multi-room spaces, moderation is trivially solved with a bot (your d*scord has 10 of them so don't complain)
        >server is slow
        Change homeserver or host your own (tho matrix.org has been pretty snappy past couple years ...)
        >no voice channels
        The only point I have no issues with.
        Coming soon™

        Metadata goes to matrix.org by default. That's stupid.
        Some moron can show up and deface the room. There's no controls to prevent anyone from joining and immediately abusing.
        It's slow in general . And the encryption drops messages constantly.

        Do people even realize that the end goal of matrix is to be fully p2p without servers?

        They dropped that afaik. Why didn't they do that from the beginning anyway.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Metadata goes to matrix.org by default.
          If by metadata you mean usage statistics, just disable it
          >Some moron can show up and deface the room.
          They cannot find the room unless you publish it on your or some other server's room directory. This is not done by default.
          >There's no controls to prevent anyone from joining and immediately abusing.
          There is. Knocking was implemented in Room version 7 and there are dozen other join rules you can apply to your rooms.
          You can also move speaking permissions to powerlevel 1. This way, new users are muted by default, untill you promote them from level 0 to 1.
          >And the encryption drops messages constantly.
          Works on my machine

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If by metadata you mean usage statistics, just disable it
            I don't know why you're reducing it to that.
            Most of the userbase is on matrix.org, which even further floats the metadata to them. Self hosting is pointless with this.
            >They cannot find the room unless you publish it
            What's the point of having a chatroom if you're the only one who will use it?
            >There is.
            Whatever it is, it's either new or doesn't work like everything in this stupid protocol.
            >Works on my machine
            Maybe you're sending messages to yourself, because this is a common complaint.

            >XML > json
            lol
            lmao even

            Yes, XML sucks. Doesn't change what I said.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Most of the userbase is on matrix.org, which even further floats the metadata to them. Self hosting is pointless with this.
            What metadata are you worried about?
            You can also ACL matrix.org so their users can't join or federate your room.
            But lets not kid ourselves, you're most likely running a PUBLIC room. None of this actually matters to you.
            If you actually want privacy, you just create a non-federateble e2ee room. No "metadata" leaves your homeserver, but only users on your homeserver will be able to participate.
            >What's the point of having a chatroom if you're the only one who will use it?
            I thought you wanted to run some private invite-only room?
            >Whatever it is, it's either new or doesn't work like everything in this stupid protocol.
            The permission system has existed since forever.
            The knocking and other join rules are indeed "new".
            And they just work.
            >Maybe you're sending messages to yourself, because this is a common complaint.
            I'm running an encrypted 8 user room chat and not had any* issues for two years.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >XML > json
          lol
          lmao even

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >metadata issues
      Like what?
      >poor moderation controls
      Like what precisely again?
      For multi-room spaces, moderation is trivially solved with a bot (your d*scord has 10 of them so don't complain)
      >server is slow
      Change homeserver or host your own (tho matrix.org has been pretty snappy past couple years ...)
      >no voice channels
      The only point I have no issues with.
      Coming soon™

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do people even realize that the end goal of matrix is to be fully p2p without servers?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I'm really looking forward to that after they're done rewriting the server for the 63573th time. ETA for the release is sometime after the heat death of the universe.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Session is already there but you can realistically only use it with trusted individuals since there's no way to stop people regenerating their id and rejoining when banned.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is there really any real difference between needing to use a new throwaway mail and deleting the old ID and creating a new one? Either way you can't really control who joins if it's an open sign up. Even phone number verification does nothing to stop some cretin with more free time than brain, you can buy phone numbers in bulk for a few bucks or even use services specializing in phone number verification for sign up.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a worse slack, and a slack is a worse discord.

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if I were to use XMPP which server is the most popular?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      404city

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What went wrong?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    xmpp is kino

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    there was something hazy, never installed

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Works on my machine, I convinced my two friends to more there, and I created a tech related server

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