What would it take to create a usable competitor?

What would it take to create a usable competitor?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there are already many programs that allow you to put colors, numbers, and letters in boxes akin to a child's coloring book, with the occasional usage of an auto sum feature
    people just wont accept that this is the extent of what people actually use excel for. of course people will reply to me saying "um youre unemployed; um this and this feature isnt in other software"
    but i implore you to actually watch and see how 99% of the workforce uses excel. just like word, the competitors are already out there, but people are scared to use them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I used librecalc for two stats classes in college. Stuff that excel you had to add the "data analysis" pack, or some bullshit, for was just part of librecalc by default.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, there is already libre office and all they have to do is just clone the UI and shorthand functions and that's it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I mean

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Like 20million lines of code

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve used excel as an office wagie probably more than most on IQfy. Librecalc would be competitive if the UI was more polished. For example, with filtering a column, in excel you can just quickly type a string and hit enter. But in librecalc you have to go through a clunky interface of typing the string, checking boxes, then clicking on apply.

    Other than a shitty interface, I’ve found that librecalc does everything most users would use it for. But that garbage interface makes it unusable for those who are in excel all day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is your job title?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      For me, Excel killer apps are Slicers and Pivot Table/Chart. You can create nice looking dashboards. I tried LibreOffice for my personal use, it's nowhere near Excel.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Quality of life and convenience, as says. You have a bunch of scriptable alternatives already but neither is polished enough. Even LibreOffice Calc's ancient Beanscript runtime is arguably better than VB as a language, but the whole thing has many usability griveances.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Start contributing instead of grifting

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Spend like an hour learning how to use pandas.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pandas
      Disgusting pajeet code

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I bet you think you're smart but this is a moron's answer. You are fricking stupid and that's a fact.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    isn't gnumeric good enough?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there have been alternatives with feature parity for the past 30 years, but no real competitors because microsoft has the money and the market share. it's only logical that everybody should use excel, given its popularity

      yes. they are all good. every spreadsheet program is good - except for libreoffice calc when it comes from the debian repo because the one on there is broken but otherwise theyre all good

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >there have been alternatives with feature parity for the past 30 years
        Why lie?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          whatever features youre referring to, generally speaking, nobody cares about them

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it's OnlyOffice

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Excel is like a religion to boomers, especially in finance. If a viable alternative existed, they simply would not care.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if it's making it in the modern business world it needs:
    >good sharing/collaboration tools
    >a good mobile app
    >integration with other tools and technologies the business uses within whatever ecosystem they use
    >a nice interface

    google sheets is the only thing that comes close to this

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    marketing

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If I were a billionaire I'd fund the programming of a FOSS Excel clone with all the offline features at least

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As much as its gonna hurt the losers here, Excel is the GOAT at what it can do.

    You can pretty much do anything in Excel that would take 100 times more effort to do in 'muh code'.

    Sure, the average office-place roastie is using it for the most basic features, however I spent a good 10 years working very closely with Excel, and have built full-blown applications in it when paired with VBA. Not to mention, when it comes to creating very complex financial models quickly and easily, it is second to none.

    And yes, I also code, including pandas, numpy, etc and yet there is still shit I will do in Excel, since its the most flexible, quick and intuitive way to do a lot of highly complex financial models.

    I actually have a job and need to get things done, and dont have the luxury of mentally jerking off about the 'correct' or 'best' way to do stuff. When I need to get shit done quick and easy, Excel is my go-to.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      trvth

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      IQfy nerds will wail and gnash their teeth but it's the TRUTH

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pandas, numpy, excel

      tells all you need to know about this poster really

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm literally a senior dev at a massive company, and I can guarantee I could out-code you and 90% of the people here.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          add insecurity as well

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >and have built full-blown applications in it when paired with VBA.
      I fully believe you, and would not be surprised to find that your VBA spaghetti diarrhea is a productivity bottleneck, because the number of times I've personally had to deal with that is mind-numbing.

      Excel is the inverse of "mental masturbation", morons insist on doing literally EVERYTHING with it even when the alternative isn't any more difficult or expensive.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    non autist developer I assume. See for example https://wikieducator.org/OpenOffice/Calc_3/Histogram why is creating a histogram so fricking hard? It just works in every other program but not libreoffice calc.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    100% compatibility is required. Not 90% compatible. Not 99%. Not 99.9999%. Minor errors in spreadsheets can have immense consequences. It's bad enough that humans can make mistakes when creating spreadsheets but it's even worse when people are using different programs which give different results. Even if the error is small, it can compound into something horrifyingly huge.
    The cost of Excel is very cheap for the amount of risk it eliminates by not having these compatibility errors creep in. That's why for most of the business world Excel cannot be replaced. If you want to use some FOSS or Whoever Suite spreadsheet for your own personal use, that will probably work out fine but if you're handling spreadsheets that determine where millions or sometimes even billions of dollars are moved around, trying to save a few bucks on an Excel license is the level of stupidity that should get you shot into the Sun.

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