What would the middle east be like if there was NO ISLAM?

What would the middle east be like if there was NO ISLAM?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    irrelevant but at least westoids and indians will stop seething

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      About what?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There'd be no terrorism and no Muslim refugees. If you've been to Kuwait city or U.A.E you could speculate all the middle east would be like that and it'd be a bit like a first world country. Notice how all the shittiest euro countries have the highest Muslim rates. Imagine christian iran, it'd be what America is to Mexico to the rest of the middle east

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People forget Muslim were actually more advanced during Golden Age of Islam.
    Shit of math was invented by Arab scholars, and these caliphs were patrons to many brilliant scholars.
    And Christians just stole their stuff, because they themself were too poor to pay for such scholars.

    So, I unironically think, without Islam, were would be still living in 18th century tech

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Thabit Ibn Karah
        >Sabian
        >kaffir
        >atheist
        Weren't Sabians polytheists?
        Btw I don't believe the claims about atheism in this pic.
        Still just like the later middle ages and the Renaissance, during the Islamic golden age the intelligentia practiced magic, astrology and alchemy, ie pagan practices and cared probably even more about pagan figures like the mythological hermes trismegistus and the philosophers, so they were very bad Muslims but this must be looked upon with caution since they didn't have much choice except to be Muslims.
        Also the Islamic. Golden age didn't achieve much in comparison to the greco roman period, what they did was mostly rediscover pagan traditions with little of their own. It's only during the Renaissance that real achievements were made, the middle ages was a shithole period

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Early muslims were light skin Persians but islam led to them getting browned and Islamized to shit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sources

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >0/10 didn't answer the question

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      except islam was the reason for the downfall of that golden age. It was buckbroken by the fundamentalists who still to this day are the great troublemakers in the middle east and europe

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Islamic Golden Age is mostly a myth invented by Marxists after 9/11 when the left went hard Islamophillic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What made the Islamic Golden Age besides a really strategic location along the middle of Eurasia and a ton of wealth was Hellenic influence. A lot of the discoveries and ideas that Arabs are credited with from that time period were just elaborations on Greek thought. Their logic and the theology of the ahl al-ray was Aristotle, their medicine was Galen, their first university was in Harran which was a highly hellenized pagan city. It was a cool period and I'm not saying Arabs themselves didn't contribute or invent anything cool but giving Islam all the credit is not warranted. And similar to what

      except islam was the reason for the downfall of that golden age. It was buckbroken by the fundamentalists who still to this day are the great troublemakers in the middle east and europe

      said, the Hellenistic, rationalistic trend of Islam lost to fundamentalists who were totally opposed to the use of logic and adopting ideas from the Greeks. That was already starting in the 800s with the failure of al-Mamun's inquisition. Talk to most Muslims and it is not guys like al-Buruni, Ibn Sina or Ibn Rushd that they're actually reading. They might be proud of them from a distance but it's fundies from that time period like Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn al-Jawzi who are popular with the average layman today. A lot of Salafis even hate the term Islamic Golden Age for that period because it implies that the era of the Salaf wasn't the best.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People would think of Syrians and Lebanese as white. I would guess there might be a third pole in Christianity between western Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and south Eastern whatever.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this dude is half arab only my self loathing friend

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Christian Levant would get wiped so hard the Mongols and Turks that its not even funny, and I would bet my ass they would convert to Zoroastrianism rather than Christianity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        imagine being so moronic.
        If he were Christian, the Zoroastrianism meme wouldn't even exist. When Christianity enters the social fabric, it exterminates pagan faiths. which is good, honestly

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No "he", them* sorry

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Orthodoxy absorbs the pagans and their rituals into its belief and practice.
          nta

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is an old meme that doesn't deserve a response. I'm really sorry.
            I will be respectful to you, see my friend, if the region received strong Christianization with a long-term vision, Zoroastrianism would be practically destroyed from the inside out.
            The local religions that Christianity came into contact with are practically all destroyed, including civilized areas. but I think a third type of Christianity could occur... "Persian Christianity"? I don't know

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >"Persian Christianity"? I don't know
            Well, that's Manichaeism.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. I don't know a better name haha but I think there would be another type of Christianity. the East, even under the Western flag, is somewhat isolationist

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Zoroastrianism
          >Pagan
          moron detected. At absolute most there might have been a Reformation style struggle over Manicheansim trying to bring Jesus into the cannon of Zoroastrianism, but since the Persian empire was so centralized in terms of religion, it would never spiral out of control.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I won't read the rest of your comment.
            swearing = I don't read

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry, but calling Zoroastrianism pagan is incredibly stupid.
            >Oh but they worship a fire!
            Ok, and Christians worship a dead man on a stick. In both cases the symbol has a deeper meaning.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't matter what you think. Being monotheistic (supposedly) is not synonymous with non-pagan. the same with islam.
            It's paganism and very poorly done, I don't usually discuss religion here, but I think you should stick with your "prophet" (there are practically no external sources about his existence) and with the sacred fire (I'm sure the WHG thought the same thing about fire) and me with theology and philosophy, almost 2000 years old.
            and a religion measured with different values from all others

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you understand that India and Hinduism are far more Pagan than Zoroastrianism ever was, but still resists Christianity? Did Zoroaster personally hurt you that you want to write it off for a counterfactual althis scenario?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Zoroaster never had a genuine divine commission (or ever claimed such a role), never performed miracles, or uttered prophecies, and the story of his life is a mere fabric of comparatively modern fables and fiction.
            all available Zoroastrian sources about Zoroaster only give conflicting images about him. especially between earlier and later sources. It's almost like a less radical Islam

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, so is Budhism, and? I guess it will cease to exist just because you really really want it to cease.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't talk about Buddhism, we're talking about Zoroastrianism. you use mockery with everyone but you argue like a moronic child, when something is stated, you use other concepts as a shield "but in fact this also occurs in religion X!".

            Zoroaster is the only author. This method of “enlightenment” (I know you hate the term haha)
            is similar to that claimed by the prophet Muhammad and the message was transmitted orally for about three centuries before being recorded by scribes. Still, the source is just one man, and a person should question the accuracy of the recitations over a long period like this.
            Buddhism on the one hand, we still have more sources on its history than Zoroastrianism

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Since I understand that you have difficulty understanding things, Zoroastrianism is practically as reliable as Islam.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >exterminates pagan faiths. which is good, honestly
          Even better it privileges Judaism, honestly.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >As a reaction against Julian's pro-israeli stance, the later emperor Theodosius I (r. 379–395 AD) forbade the Sanhedrin to assemble and declared ordination illegal. Capital punishment was prescribed for any Rabbi who received ordination, as well as complete destruction of the town where the ordination occurred.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meanwhile, christcucks were a 1000 times more ohilosemitic then they were antisemitic, which was just a minor theological disagreement,.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Notice how your pic didn’t contain
            >Theodosius I (r. 379–395 AD) forbade the Sanhedrin to assemble and declared ordination illegal. Capital punishment was prescribed for any Rabbi who received ordination, as well as complete destruction of the town where the ordination occurred.
            Clear cherry picking

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they wouldn't fare any worse than our timeline muslin levant

        imagine being so moronic.
        If he were Christian, the Zoroastrianism meme wouldn't even exist. When Christianity enters the social fabric, it exterminates pagan faiths. which is good, honestly

        Zoroastrianism is a Persia/Iran thing, not a Levant thing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they wouldn't fare any worse than our timeline muslin levant
          Why? Byzantium wasn't a dysfunctional mess because Arabs wienered it up, but because it had a great tendency to stagnate. The far outlying regions like the Levant would stand zero chance against the Mongols, unless the region was already conquered by Catholics for some reason.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Zoroastrianism is a Persia/Iran thing, not a Levant thing
          Wow.Can we say that the Romans were from the Italian peninsula?
          Idk

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not discussing geographic issues, that's obvious.
          and my answer was about what would happen to Zoroastrianism in relation to Christianity and how it would be replaced and thrown into oblivion. (catechization)
          the location or origin is irrelevant to my argument

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You got any arguments for why we didn't see Persia become Christian before Muslim conquests?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The ilkhanate was pretty christianized when they were burning baghdad moron. The khans wife was nestorian and the nestorians at that time were favored in the religious debates at the mongol court. Franks and mongrels were in the process of making alliances against the moslems and byzantium married a few princess off to them in exchange for help against the turks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Steve Jobs is half-white. Pure blood Syrians and Lebanese are hard brownoid.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The same, except the Turanic conquerors would convert to Zoroastrianism and maybe be more successful. Also I think there would be kino theological reprecusions from a monotheist and a dualist civilization having to live next to each other.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hinduism would look quite different. For one Vaishnavism would be a smaller Hindu sect, as it expanded mostly in Northern India where Muslims had demolished the older Buddhist regimes.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For Arabia nothing much as Islamic law was based off of pre-Islamic tribal law except that Muslims follow israeli dietary restrictions too.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    BOOTA

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is Aladdin set in an islamic Arabia?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hes actually chinese in the original

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be better. Arabs are a low-grade race but Christian Arabs do better than Mohamedean Arabs. The "Islamic Golden Age", while being heavily exaggerated, was mostly due to Christian and israeli minorities.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    America would've been found later, because MENAs wouldn't massively overcharge their fellow christians, thus prompting everyone to search for an alternative route to India.

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