What's the point of installing a hard to install distro like Gentoo/Arch when there is zero to none benefit compared to say Ubuntu or Linux mint?

What's the point of installing a hard to install distro like Gentoo/Arch when there is zero to none benefit compared to say Ubuntu or Linux mint?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neither Gentoo or Arch is hard.
    Also Gentoo has the nice benefit that selective package updates work

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    installera alpine suedi

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      matgeekpedofilen/SNSD...
      ingen kommer komma på din begravning

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        frick you Black person

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >He fell for the Windows Server meme

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >meme
            explain

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hard to install
    This is debatable. Arch isn't even something I would consider hard to install, though Gentoo is.

    >benefits
    Good learning experience
    You understand your system better because you built it yourself
    More control over how your system is set up
    Plus the benefits of using your distro of choice, e.g. Arch or Gentoo, and the benefits of these could be a whole post of their own.

    If you're someone who doesn't care about using a locked down corporate-owned distro then fine, stick with Ubuntu. Though in that case I'm not sure why you're using Linux in the first place. If all you care about is ease of use, just stay on Windows.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      how is ubuntu locked down homosexual
      >muh compiling
      you can do that in any distro. you can selectively compile apt packages too.
      in terms of being “locked down” gentoo is more locked down since you don’t have easy access to more advanced,faster and convenient tools like on ubungoo.
      kys

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you can selectively compile apt packages too
        Yeah, but then you're on the hook for maintaining them. Gentoo continues to track your custom compiled package.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Gentoo babysitting toddlers by maintaining their compiled package for them, so cute
          don't ever say Ubuntu is more "locked down" and more convenient then, and you don't look smarter for using Gentoo, trust me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Gentoo babysitting toddlers by maintaining their compiled package for them, so cute
        don't ever say Ubuntu is more "locked down" and more convenient then, and you don't look smarter for using Gentoo, trust me

        Ubuntu users are always insecure and lash out at people using more advanced distros. Because deep down they know those advanced distros are better but too hard for them.

        You never see Gentoo users getting angry at Ubuntu/Mint/Windows users. We just know they're losers and we feel bad for them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          give me one thing that's harder to do on your elite distro than on a debian based one. I wait.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They push snaps which are their own packaging format they don't open source the backend of and shit like their system search bar sending your queries to their or Amazon servers happens yearly.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          that amazon thing was fricked but also a long time ago. once you disable snaps it's not so bad.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    None.
    The only advantage when it comes to Arch is that you learn a lot of low-level stuff if you fiddle with the system a lot. Arch is the distribution that taught me ALSA, kernel modules, DKMS, systemd, X11 (xinit, X auth managers, etc.), Wayland, etc. because it basically forced my hand.
    That's also why I ditched it and went back to Ubuntu. Once you've learnt enough, you just want to go back to something that works out of the box. You can easily diagnose many issues in these distributions thanks to the knowledge you got on Arch.
    TL;DR Arch is good for learning. I have no idea what Gentoo is good for besides waiting for WebKitGTK+ to build.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What's the point
    so you can take responsibility and stop b***hing around when something fricks up, because most of the times it'll be your fault.
    you also got some schizo made wiki to help you be the tech support of your system.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i install gentoo every morning before breakfast, you are a baby

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's cult behaviour. I was in on it a while ago: dwm, terminal apps for everything... But then I felt like a fricking moron, researching a terminal minimalist based application and reading the man page for half an hour so that I could take a FRICKING SCREENSHOT AND SEE THUMBNAILS IN MY FILE MANAGER. Now I use a desktop environment on a debian based system like a normal human being.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Filtered.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >researching how to type maim -s humiliationritual.png
      wow anon, I'm so proud of you that you at least attempted this, many fail at opening the terminal

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what happened to scrotum? why do you tinketrannies use maam nowadays?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah this. I used to be a die hard Arch gay until I switched to fedora/gnome. You get a system that is functional from the get go and actually does the bare minimum shit (like displaying moon runes correctly) without you having to set it up.
      >inb4 filtered
      No I just realized that none of this debloating/minimalism shit actually matters in real life. If you want to be a tinkertroony then knock yourself out.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You sound like a housewife who's gotten used to the beatings. Sad.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In the case of gentoo:
    >minimal resource requirements
    >code is generated for your exact processor and uses optimized instructions

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What optimizations are we talking about? Firefox takes 0.1 seconds less to open? 'Cause God knows I need that. Totally worth the hours spent trying to install the autistic fricking thing and compiling everything from source.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Proper vectorization of common tasks, like copying data or prefetching cache lines, can have anywhere from 3200% to 50000% speedups (because one cycle is now being used to read 32 bytes rather than one, and that load from main memory that would require 1000 cylces is now ready in L1 cache for 2). The difference is felt in all applications.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nice try but I read Gentoo forums. Speedup was visible only long ago. Almost no software aside from highly specific numerical packages make use of fancy new instructions.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Fake and gay. They use them, but it's usually hand written assembly. Doesn't help C compilers can only go so far in auto vectorization.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Speedup was visible only long ago.
            You want to look up what newer instruction sets can do, even for a simple mov: https://uops.info/table.html
            Otherwise stop spouting ridiculous nonsense.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rolling release is all the benefit I need.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that's exactly what I was thinking, I tried to install vscode and chrome on arch linux, guess what? you can't from oficial sources

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      `pacman -S code chromium`

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >code is generated for your exact processor and uses optimized instructions
    all you have to do is compile everything yourself kek, gtfo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >all you have to do is compile everything yourself
      Yes.
      >gtfo
      No.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hard to install
    what hard? Installing Gentoo only takes time, there are no significant difficulties if you read the handbook/documentation carefully

    >What's the point of installing...
    With Gentoo you have full control over your system, and you will realize how bad any package manager other than portage is.

    > when there is zero to none benefit
    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Benefits_of_Gentoo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Chad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Common w Gentoo user. Can confirm as a Mint user, apt sucks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you will realize how bad any package manager other than portage is
      >literally programmed in python

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >installing a hard to install
      >installing a hard to install distro
      >installing a hard to install distro like Gentoo/Arch

      This implies that you have zero reading comprehension.

      Hello fellow Gentoo user.

      >you will realize how bad any package manager other than portage is
      >literally programmed in python

      Then?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > is particularly easy to port to new systems
      lies. Wasnt the whole point to be minimal? LOL

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        meds

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, it takes a real hackurman to change the CPU in the kernel and run cpuid2cpuflags

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      g*ntoo developers use Macs LMAO. That's already reason enough to disregard g*ntoo completely.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What do mac users use? Windows?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't read your post, just wanna say I want to have sex with Sui Feng.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sissyphus phenomenon. Pleasure and contentment in difficulty & suffering.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Of either of those distributions are hard to install you do not belong here.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >reading documentation makes an OS hard to install
    Plug and play was a mistake

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    better firmware out of the box
    >system breaks
    >unfixable because software is broken
    its over

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Artix isn't hard to install and it doesn't come with systemd like Arch.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Ubuntu or Linux mint?
    What is the point installing easy distros when you can just install Windows? At least on Arch you have some freedom, you can learn and experiment. When you install Mint you will never learn anything so why bother, just install Windows. Imagine being proud user of distro for morons. Too stupid for Arch and too poor for Windows?

    >Muh it just wekrs

    It doesn't matter you are still using Linux hahaha!!! Have some decency, install Arch.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That harder it is for Israeli's to use, the less likely you will get fricked over by the israelites

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hard to install
    neither arch nor gentoo are hard to install, they just do not have a handhold installer. if you stop and take a moment to read about how computers work, all of the things you need to do to get a usable system with either distro are completely logical and make sense. arch has a script now which is arguably easier to use than the Ubuntu installer, and gentoo ships binaries which means you can run it on your shitbox.
    >zero to none benefit compared to say Ubuntu or Linux mint?
    here is why I prefer arch to ubuntu: easier to use, saner defaults. ubuntu requires me to learn more about what is effectively bloat to use it.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's fun, Linux is a hobby OS after all.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I choose any other operating when there is Linux Mint?
    It completely aligns with my political views.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based. The reason one uses Linux based operating systems is for the freedom and privacy from the likes of Billy G or Capn Cook, not necessarily for learning about everything Linux -- not everyone is a nerd, and normies need freedom and privacy too.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you are too stupid or too lazy to install Arch you most likely wont be able to take care of your privacy anyway. It's pointless to install Mint in that case. Privacy cant be the only reason.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So you think there is no utility, when it comes to privacy, in having a telemetry free operating system over a spyware ridden one, like windows and macos?
          Privacy is not a binary state -- you can have something in between, which is to say that a little privacy is better than no privacy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But you expect Mint to "just werk" and take care of privacy for you which is impossible in practice.

            >If you don't install arch you are stupid and lazy!
            Yeah picrel is such a dumb lazy bum!

            Arch is just an example. Smart people can do anything but we all know that's not the target audience for distributions like Mint and Ubuntu.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No. I wasn't saying that it should take care of privacy, I simply said it was better in that regard than windows/macos in counter to you saying it was no point using such a distribution.
            My point is that a linux distribution with the same level of just werks™ as windows/macos will still provide better privacy (and arguably security, stability, performance, etc.), so there is in fact a point to using it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >If you don't install arch you are stupid and lazy!
          Yeah picrel is such a dumb lazy bum!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There is only one reasosn: you want KDE Plasma, the best desktop environment there is. Therein lies the debate, Mint has hands down the best implementation of Cinnamon, XFCE and MATE, but the best distro for KDE is uncertain.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'd say opensuse, but it's troonyware

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ubuntu is harder to use than Arch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is actually accurate with my experience as well.
      Even something as basic as unattended installation is a nightmare in Ubuntu and they ended up dropping the shitty Debian installer so it is even more obnoxious since everything I knew is now "deprecated." Worse they even 404 links about old stuff too.
      I don't understand this, "Ubuntu is easy." Meme.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It was always something you do once to see if you could and maybe if you need to run something that really needs the extreme optimization, other than that is gay and moronic and a waste of your time.

    I mean, imagine instead of having a normal hobby like fishing or painting 40ks, your hobby is installing a operating system, it's waste of time with nothing in return, not even something pretty to look at.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >my hobby is based
      >yours is dumb
      You're on the wrong board.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I explained why it's dumb, it's a waste of time with zero results

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >>I made a high-performance system
          >IT'S A WASTE OF TIME WITH ZERO RESULTS
          Words can't describe how moronic you sound.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >high-performance system
            ...to run the exactly same things everyone else, but 0.1 ms faster

            Also, post your BMI

            >I explained why it's dumb, it's a waste of time with zero results

            literally any action on a long enough timescale. from ashes to ashes, dust to dust

            I accept your concession

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >...to run the exactly same things everyone else, but 0.1 ms faster
            Invalid strawman is invalid:

            >Speedup was visible only long ago.
            You want to look up what newer instruction sets can do, even for a simple mov: https://uops.info/table.html
            Otherwise stop spouting ridiculous nonsense.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I explained why it's dumb, it's a waste of time with zero results

          literally any action on a long enough timescale. from ashes to ashes, dust to dust

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "noob" friendly distros for some reason tend to suck ass

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can't talk about gentoo, but assembling my programs on arch and setting them up the way I want to was a fun experience.
    Arch is hard to install when you're new to all this shit, it took me a bit of time and dedication.
    My autism was that I hated waiting for UI. I hate throbbers and fricking animations making me wait for the action I request. Hardware is 1000 times faster and I get slower UI? FRICKKKKK OFFFFFFFFFFFF
    ios is one of the worst offender, but windows is also a good example of slow as frick software made by pajeets, even when you disable all animations : it still fricking loads all the time and do a lot of shit in the background at the worst times. Everything feels sluggish even with the best hardware on earth. Ubuntu has the UI illness too, so at first I used xubuntu or lubuntu, but they still have a lot of garbage I don't need and their names are trash (yeah, I use LUBE-OONNTOO, I'm an adult). I would use them, like I use windows now, if I were paid for it.
    The origin of my use of linux is : I don't need all this shit, Arch is just the next step, and I'm comfortable now. I realize this is some tardwrangler shit I'm talking about, I don't expect many people to do this, and my setup is so unique I must glow bright under cybersex scrutiny. It's okay.
    Now I have a dwm setup that I really like.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >but windows is also a good example of slow as frick software made by pajeets, even when you disable all animations
      That's because literally everyone at Microsoft is incompetent - literally everyone. No exceptions. All the way down to the kernel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Meds. Now.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    for some people the interest exceeds practicality, its more enjoyable to them

    kinda like pcs, where theres a defined meta in terms of value, simplicity, performance, reliability, and thats the default
    but thats no fun when you can rock Titan Xp SLI in 2024, do custom loop water cooling, have some obscene quantity of ram, and do it all in a tight matx case
    practical, good value, reliable? god no
    super frickin mega rad? absolutely yes

    its like that, but for linux operating systems

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gentoo isn't really hard if you can follow instructions.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hard to install distro like Gentoo/Arch
    lmao you just type archinstall and press enter a few times lmao

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ubuntu and mint are bloated

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >arch
    >hard to install distro
    what exactly challenges you bro? arrow keys? having to decide on audio server or desktop environment?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why does everyone shit talk archinstall?

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