Whats the point of the trinity besides shorehorning a midwit bastardization of greek philosophy?

Whats the point of the trinity besides shorehorning a midwit bastardization of greek philosophy?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why explain things
    >I liked it better when the strawman only had one dimension now it has three
    When did trinity hate become a trend? Something brewing at IDF HQ

    • 4 months ago
      JWanon

      >shorehorning a midwit bastardization of greek philosophy
      I've yet to see a single person prove this.

      A 'one' cannot be a 'someone' if it has no relation within itself, if it is not made of elements that can self-relate, a self is contingent on these interelations, othervise it might as well be a impersonal 'something'
      So the muslim, or, protestant god, is just a 'one' but not a 'someone'
      Further the trinity allows for a functional relationship betveen these three basic elements; the source, the information, and the media, as it is said the father(source) and the son(the word of god/information) are one trough the spirit(the media)
      Think about a radio emission, the source is one with the message transmitted, which is one with the media trough which it transmits, except the 'source' is nonlocal, but allpresent, the message is allpermeating, the media is ubiquous, all three are relity itself and yet separate from it, the tetragramaton uttering itself etternaly
      All is information, by it form, by form function, so all things are - 'and without him was not anything made that was made'
      Information pressuposes source, also transmission, transmission pressuposes media
      'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.'
      If the word 'god' is a werb, as well as a noun, as 'being' denotes a being that is being being, these three form a functional whole, a 'one', which, perpetually uttering itself, selfgenerates into the ever emergent 'all' from 'nothing' and back againg
      That is G+D

      But then, what is noise, what is the differnece betveen noise and information, is information not noise - structured
      But, how do we know the difference?

      Think about these things, contemplate

      The doctrine of the Trinity originates from the Egyptian Christian theologians of Alexandria.

      Alexandrian theology, with its strong emphasis on the deity of Jesus, served to infuse Egypt's pagan religious heritage into Christianity.

      The Church adopted these Egyptian tenets after adapting them to Christian thinking by means of Greek philosophy.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 months ago
          JWanon

          The development of the idea of a co-equal triune godhead was also based on pagan Greek and Platonic influence, including many basic concepts from Aristotelian philosophy incorporated into the biblical God.

          As an example, Aristotle stated: "All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bound by threes, for the end, the middle, and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity."

          The Greek philosopher Plato believed in a special "threeness" in life and in the universe. In Phaedo, he introduces the word "triad" (in Greek τριάς), which is rendered in English as "trinity". This was adopted by 3rd and 4th century professed Christians as roughly corresponding to "Father, Word, and Spirit (Soul)".

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >As an example, Aristotle stated: "All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bound by threes, for the end, the middle, and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity."
            You're using Arthur Weigall's complete butcheting of that quote, here's the original:
            >because the three dimensions are all that there are,
            and that which is divisible in three directions is divisible in all. For, as
            the Pythagoreans say, the world and all that is in it is determined by the
            number three, since beginning and middle and end give the number of
            an 'all', and the number they give is the triad. And so, having taken these
            three from nature as (so to speak) laws of it, we make further use of the
            number three in the worship of the Gods. Further, we use the terms in
            practice in this way. Of two things, or men, we say 'both', but not 'all':
            three is the first number to which the term 'all' has been appropriated.
            And in this, as we have said, we do but follow the lead which nature
            gives. Therefore, since 'every' and 'all' and 'complete' do not differ from
            one another in respect of form, but only, if at all, in their matter and in
            that to which they are applied, body alone among magnitudes can be
            complete. For it alone is determined by the three dimensions, that is, is
            an 'all'. But if it is divisible in three dimensions it is every way divisible,
            while the other magnitudes are divisible in one dimension or in two
            alone: for the divisibility and continuity of magnitudes depend upon the
            number of the dimensions, one sort being continuous in one direction,
            another in two, another in all.

            He's essentially talking about the three dimensions, and he NEVER uses the word Trinity. He's just saying that since reality is three-dimensional we should also conceive the gods as such.

            You're such a moron.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The Greek philosopher Plato believed in a special "threeness" in life and in the universe.
            How does that relate to the Trinity? Christianity claims that the Godhead is threefold, not life or the universe.
            >In Phaedo, he introduces the word "triad" (in Greek τριάς), which is rendered in English as "trinity".
            Oh ok, so you're just making shit up.
            >This was adopted by 3rd and 4th century professed Christians as roughly corresponding to "Father, Word, and Spirit (Soul)".
            We have 1st century Christian prayers with the Trinitarian formula.

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            'sup Hislop, fancy meeting you here, still making shit up without evidence, eh?

            Athanasius and others at Nicaea adopted Greek Platonic philosophy and concepts and incorporated them in their views of God and Christ.

            The Nicene Creed and the results of the Council of Chalcedon were essentially political documents, resulting from the subordination of true doctrine to state interests by leaders of the Catholic Church, so that the church became an extension of the Roman Empire.

            The famous author H. G. Wells wrote in The Outline of History: "We shall see presently how later on all Christendom was torn by disputes about the Trinity. There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity, at any rate from him."

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Early_Christianity
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitarianism_in_the_Church_Fathers

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/trinity/
            https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201308/trinity/

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dude, I catched you making up quotes, you're a clown.

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            According to the University of Stanford:
            "No theologian in the first three Christian centuries was a trinitarian in the sense of a believing that the one God is tripersonal, containing equally divine “persons”, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

            https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        historicaly, maybe, theologicaly, perhaps, truly, no

        • 4 months ago
          JWanon

          The Trinity is a human abstraction that was created to illustrate God's nature as an enigmatic entity.

          God transcends the boundaries of paradoxes and the human understanding of personhood as being individual in nature. His power is infinite in ways that are utterly incomprehensible to human minds, because He operates on a scale that is divorced from linear time and euclidean geometry.

          >As an example, Aristotle stated: "All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bound by threes, for the end, the middle, and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity."
          You're using Arthur Weigall's complete butcheting of that quote, here's the original:
          >because the three dimensions are all that there are,
          and that which is divisible in three directions is divisible in all. For, as
          the Pythagoreans say, the world and all that is in it is determined by the
          number three, since beginning and middle and end give the number of
          an 'all', and the number they give is the triad. And so, having taken these
          three from nature as (so to speak) laws of it, we make further use of the
          number three in the worship of the Gods. Further, we use the terms in
          practice in this way. Of two things, or men, we say 'both', but not 'all':
          three is the first number to which the term 'all' has been appropriated.
          And in this, as we have said, we do but follow the lead which nature
          gives. Therefore, since 'every' and 'all' and 'complete' do not differ from
          one another in respect of form, but only, if at all, in their matter and in
          that to which they are applied, body alone among magnitudes can be
          complete. For it alone is determined by the three dimensions, that is, is
          an 'all'. But if it is divisible in three dimensions it is every way divisible,
          while the other magnitudes are divisible in one dimension or in two
          alone: for the divisibility and continuity of magnitudes depend upon the
          number of the dimensions, one sort being continuous in one direction,
          another in two, another in all.

          He's essentially talking about the three dimensions, and he NEVER uses the word Trinity. He's just saying that since reality is three-dimensional we should also conceive the gods as such.

          You're such a moron.

          Such notions and adoptions make the Trinity doctrine extra-biblical. There is a widely acknowledged synthesis of Christianity with Platonic philosophy evident in trinitarian formulas appearing by the end of the 3rd century. Beginning with the Constantinian period, these pagan ideas were forcibly imposed on the churches as Catholic doctrine.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            'sup Hislop, fancy meeting you here, still making shit up without evidence, eh?

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >shorehorning a midwit bastardization of greek philosophy
    I've yet to see a single person prove this.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    A 'one' cannot be a 'someone' if it has no relation within itself, if it is not made of elements that can self-relate, a self is contingent on these interelations, othervise it might as well be a impersonal 'something'
    So the muslim, or, protestant god, is just a 'one' but not a 'someone'
    Further the trinity allows for a functional relationship betveen these three basic elements; the source, the information, and the media, as it is said the father(source) and the son(the word of god/information) are one trough the spirit(the media)
    Think about a radio emission, the source is one with the message transmitted, which is one with the media trough which it transmits, except the 'source' is nonlocal, but allpresent, the message is allpermeating, the media is ubiquous, all three are relity itself and yet separate from it, the tetragramaton uttering itself etternaly
    All is information, by it form, by form function, so all things are - 'and without him was not anything made that was made'
    Information pressuposes source, also transmission, transmission pressuposes media
    'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.'
    If the word 'god' is a werb, as well as a noun, as 'being' denotes a being that is being being, these three form a functional whole, a 'one', which, perpetually uttering itself, selfgenerates into the ever emergent 'all' from 'nothing' and back againg
    That is G+D

    But then, what is noise, what is the differnece betveen noise and information, is information not noise - structured
    But, how do we know the difference?

    Think about these things, contemplate

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Trinity is a human abstraction that was created to illustrate God's nature as an enigmatic entity.

    God transcends the boundaries of paradoxes and the human understanding of personhood as being individual in nature. His power is infinite in ways that are utterly incomprehensible to human minds, because He operates on a scale that is divorced from linear time and euclidean geometry.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can dig the father and the son but the holy spirit I find a bit of a nebulous stretch

    • 4 months ago
      JWanon

      The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35) God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        but why isn't the projection just an extension of the father? does God HAVE a physical form from which he needs to project energy frim?

        • 4 months ago
          JWanon

          The spirit of God, “like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.”—An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here you go:
      https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm

      • 4 months ago
        JWanon

        It has been debunked

        https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/father-son-holy-spirit-trinity/

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >jw.org
          Into the trash it goes.

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            jw.org was made by the holy spirit

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you for admit you're trolling.

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            I'm not. JW ORG is the most translated website in the world for a reason

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