What's your thoughts on picrel now that they're a few years old?

What's your thoughts on picrel now that they're a few years old?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Expensive, not very available

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not very available
      Do you mean countries they ship to?

      https://i.imgur.com/ApWoyxb.jpeg

      What's your thoughts on picrel now that they're a few years old?

      I have one of the original Intel ones and an AMD one. They're ok, the AMD one had some firmware issues but they mostly seem to be fixed after I updated to the latest beta BIOS.
      The storage modules suck. I had Windows running on one and it stopped booting, so I moved to an NVME drive. One of them kept disconnecting, not sure if it was overheating or what, but I had a lot of shitty USB drives doing that too.
      Linux works fine on it, but I never got the trackpad working on my LFS system, I think it required a bunch of moronic daemons to talk to the dogshit I2C trackpad or something, I really couldn't be fricked to get it to work.
      The fans are loud as frick on both of them. I'm not sure how well the thermals are set up since it's blowing the hot air directly on the bottom of the display panel.
      The hardware switches for the camera and microphone are nice, and it's very easy to remove that module entirely if you want.
      My Dell 7760's GPU died, and Dell sent me a box to send it to them for repair. It was done and back to me in the same week. I think some users had some issues getting support from Framework since they don't have the same enterprise support/presence that Dell does, so that's also something to keep in mind. The few issues I've had with the Framework were minor things, like a cable not being seated properly (from their end, it was the cable behind the display so I had to reseat it. Very easy though, only took 4 screws to get to the back of the panel). The 7760 is a fricking b***h to get into, the shitty screws will strip if you're not using a good screwdriver. The FW comes with one that won't strip screws unless you ream on it like an ape.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks anon. How bad is the fan noise and that just under load or idle too?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fan is fine when it's not under load. Mostly it's just bad when I'm running LLMs on it (4-5 tokens/sec with Llama3 8B, it's shit so don't bother with that if you're just going to do LLMs on it) or playing games. It's fine if you're just using it to browse the web or program. Obviously it depends on what websites and programming you're doing, but for the most part it's not noticeable in my environment unless I'm running heavy software on it.
          Both my Intel and AMD FWs have 64 GB of memory, not sure what the highest supported is but it's at least 64 GB. My 7760 has 128 GB ECC, but I don't think they even make the 7760 anymore. The new 7770 or whatever it was just has an i9 and doesn't support ECC, at least not that I've seen.
          inb4 some dumb frick says some bullshit about DDR5 all having ECC and I need to explain that it's just on-chip and not protecting the data transport

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you mean countries they ship to?

        That, and the wait time until a model comes available. I believe they quoted three months last time I checked. As a non-oracle I'm not really willing to bind myself to a nonexistent laptop for a quarter

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok limited production capacity and shit, yeah I get that. I think it's the same as many other niche products, like the Steamdeck. It's probably pretty available now, but at this point you might just want to get a newer laptop. I think the 7000 series Ryzen ones are just available now. It looks like there's some new Intel one for preorder, not that I give a frick about Intel processors at this point.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >not that I give a frick about Intel processors
            you should at least give one for Meteor Lake. The naming scheme is fricking weird, but the performance (especially iGPU performance) and efficiency really improved.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            7840U 24981/3597, 1100 USD
            165H 26777/3583, TDP up 115W, 1659 USD
            I don't think I'll give a frick. Maybe next time. That's a big maybe too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I never got the trackpad working on my LFS system
        Did you end up using the PS/2 mouse emulation setting in the BIOS to get some kind of mousing to work?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't even realize that was a thing. Maybe I'll look into it if I get bored later.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Got one, it's very nice. Better than the piece of shit HP "business" laptop I had before or the Dell XPS my work gave me.

      Cheaper than a Thinkpad or XPS thoughever

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cheaper than a Thinkpad or XPS thoughever
        homie are you moronic

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but... He's right

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's a big image.

            I like the idea, but it's still too thick and bulky. Apple has simply lifted the bar so high with it's mac book airs, if you need a carry on laptop that doesn't need much power but has to last a whole day, it's hard to justify buying anything else.

            I need a non-trash OS.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the Framework is "actually overpriced", I guess? both the 13-inch and 16-inch version.

            I got a Legion Slim 5 16APH8 from Lenovo. It costs at least 250 euros lower than the Framework 13 with the specs you included in the image, yet it has replaceable RAM + SSD, a dGPU (4060, though there is a model with 4070), 7840HS, and 165Hz QHD screen (there is a model with 240Hz). It's a "gaming" laptop with a 15.6 inch screen though, but then again, it's still cheaper and more performant compared to a Framework 16 with the same price anyway.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like the idea, but it's still too thick and bulky. Apple has simply lifted the bar so high with it's mac book airs, if you need a carry on laptop that doesn't need much power but has to last a whole day, it's hard to justify buying anything else.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you could get a Chromebook and install an actual linux distro on it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you could get a chromebook
        A Framework one!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I literally carry a 2+kg gaming laptop because I'd rather trade the bulkiness for the extra power since I'm extremely tired of fricking ng serve taking a whole minute to finish compiling the work application.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    needs ortho keyboard and trackpoint, bit of a meme really

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get why they aren't making a trackpoint it's heavily requested and probably holding a lot of people back from buying one

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Neat, I want one, but they're not selling them in my region.

        I bet it's some sort of patent frickery.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I bet it's some sort of patent frickery.
          Lenovo would have to do some real wizard shit in that case since patents only last 15-20 years.
          https://patents.google.com/patent/US6115030A/en
          I'm not seeing anything related that could do it but i'm not looking that hard tbh.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it wouldnt be related to patents i dont think, the UHK ultimate hacking keyboard has a trackpoint module (no ortho though, which is my biggest gripe with it) and it works great

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Overpriced.
    I want a version with replaceable 18650 batteries.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the battery life like on them?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe it's ok, maybe it's bad. There are some reports about firmware issues with HDMI or other modules that kills the battery life in sleep. Not sure if modules purchased today would have any issues.
      If you just use the USB-C (straight passthrough I think?) modules or maybe the USB-A ones then it should have pretty standard battery life.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nowhere near as good as an Apple laptop, but good enough for an extended goon sesh.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I get 10 hours on my 13" AMD Framework with the small battery. Running Fedora Kinoite.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >2.8K screen is for Linuxgays so they can use 200% scaling without having to use Fractional scaling
        So what do Linuxgays like
        do currently for scaling?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i use it for games and animating.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          150%. KDE does fractional scaling no Problem, it's just ~~*Gnome*~~ that refuses to

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have heard it can effect battery life by up to 40%, what's the cost of fractional scaling for you? I'm not sure it's really a Linuxgay fractional scaling thing or rather that it's actually a GNOME fractional scaling thing

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            idk but battery life is fine

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've got a 12th gen intel one. So far, it's runs well and looks great. Have gotten into a lot of conversations because of it. They seem to be making it better every generation. The only thing i wish Framework had was some sort of trade in service or marketplace like service so I could upgrade without feeling like a piece of shit and going against the entire point of going with them.

      Not too great. I get 6 hours if I'm not doing anything too instensive. Four hours when programming or running. Two to three with docker running. If you are always by a charger, its not too big of a deal, but still a bit annoying.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    frick off linus

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >influencer talked about thing
      >that means it's only that influencer that talks about the product!
      Meds.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/84117962/
        like clockwork

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >silver only
    garbage

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I bet itoddles shit and piss themselves when saw this and run doing preorders the same day. Same as with that moronic red iphone model.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wallpaper has a PR and a hand stopping it from being PRO
      lmao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They should've made Apple logo white, because now you can't recognize it from distance and this is a huge design flaw for itoddlers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only
      But silver macbooks are classic and still the superior choice

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No trackpoint and no Coreboot (or at least ME disabled), so no deal.
    A pity, everything else was very cool.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stinkpad users don't actually care about getting a newer reparable laptop. They can't afford one and their long list of demands is always expanding whenever a product comes out that meets them.
    The 5 people in this thread that say they would totally buy it if it had a clitmouse or a special snowflake keyboard layout still wouldn't buy one even if framework released a 1:1 copy of the old Thinkpad keyboard.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lamtomp

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so true king

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want one badly but I can't justify replacing my perfectly functional laptop.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My daily driver. I got an 11th-gen intel one when they first launched, and aside from a new set of hinges (launch ones were comically floppy) and a new keyboard (broke when I tried to fix it after spilling water on it) it works fine. Battery life is on the lower side of average sometimes, lasts about 6 hours doing light productivity stuff, so I have to bring a charger with me to work which is non-ideal for a thin-and-light like this. Trackpad is no Macbook but it's certainly better than a Dell or other Windows laptop. Chassis seems to be too thin and it flexes when it's in the laptop pocket of my backpack, and it's gotten a fair share of dents and scrapes from me dropping it over the years. Couple that with the non-functional Windows implementation of laptop sleep and I often find it cooking itself to death in my bag. Sleep doesn't seem much better on Linux but at least all the hardware works out of the box.
    Good hardware support though, and it's comforting to know that basically any part that breaks can be replaced or even upgraded (display, battery, chassis, and motherboard have all seen improvements since my model), but I don't see a reason to upgrade yet. Works for me

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to get one in the near future, but finding a dock that doesn't have threads full of people saying it has display flickering has been a nightmare.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >display flickering
      What kind of flickering? I have several Dell docks I can test, but I won't bother if it's a sporadic issue.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think it's just sporadic, don't bother. Do you have a favorite dock to use? I'd just take that as a positive recommendation. I think the most promising ones I've seen are the WD19tb and WD22tb4. What I would hope for out of them is two monitor outputs on the AMD framework's USB4. I think that should be possible, since it looks like they've got MST hubs. Also I hope the Dell docks don't have annoying fan noise.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unfortunately I don't. I usually use whatever I have available from the "dumpster" at work. My room is a sty so I don't have a decent setup that uses a dock or anything like that.
          Actually, let me check my storage and see what all docks I have, I can at least plug them in and see if they're detected by the AMD framework.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Based, thanks Anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unfortunately I don't. I usually use whatever I have available from the "dumpster" at work. My room is a sty so I don't have a decent setup that uses a dock or anything like that.
          Actually, let me check my storage and see what all docks I have, I can at least plug them in and see if they're detected by the AMD framework.

          I found 3, I'm pretty sure I had more but it's too hot to look around right now.
          K16A001
          I think this one might be thunderbolt? It has a thunderbolt icon on the cable anyways. Detected as a USB controller in the back port (back right), no charge. Front port (front right) is charging. I didn't see anything show up in device manager. It has like a 3 inch cable, this dock is a piece of shit so I can see why it ended up in the dumpster.
          K17A001
          This has a displayport icon instead of the thunderbolt one. Front port charges, it also shows the Ethernet port when I plug it in.
          K20A
          This is the newest one. It has a displayport logo, probably not thunderbolt. This one charges from the front port and shows the Ethernet. The light also shows up on the cable, I don't think the other 2 had that happen. Rear port also works (charge/Ethernet).

          I don't think I have any Thunderbolt software set up on this AMD Framework, not sure if that would make the TB dock work or not.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Based, thanks Anon.

            Just for checks I'll test the Intel Framework too.
            K16A charges (left rear port) and shows the Ethernet. Front port isn't charging, but shows the Ethernet. Actually, the rear port isn't charging either lol. Power cycling the dock made it start charging. This has pretty bad compatibility outside of Dell computers I'd imagine.
            K20A charges and shows Ethernet.
            K17A charges and shows Ethernet.

            Yeah I'd say at least for my TB dock, the compatibility is shit outside of Dell laptops.
            We also had plenty of issues with Dell docks using Dell monitors and Dell laptops, so it's possible that it's just a shitty dock.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Just for checks I'll test the Intel Framework too.
            K16A charges (left rear port) and shows the Ethernet. Front port isn't charging, but shows the Ethernet. Actually, the rear port isn't charging either lol. Power cycling the dock made it start charging. This has pretty bad compatibility outside of Dell computers I'd imagine.
            K20A charges and shows Ethernet.
            K17A charges and shows Ethernet.

            Yeah I'd say at least for my TB dock, the compatibility is shit outside of Dell laptops.
            We also had plenty of issues with Dell docks using Dell monitors and Dell laptops, so it's possible that it's just a shitty dock.

            Also keep in mind these are pretty old firmware docks, if that matters. I don't think they've been updated for like 3 years now.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's just a lifestyle brand

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YouTuber marketing product, it's like buying a Barbie or Hotwheels pc

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Elaborate? Are there thoughts behind this post?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no thoughts for a thoughtless product

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never used one but the 13" looked fine until the screen update.The new 2k screen specs looked good but then they just used some second hand screen that didn't fit their device? Also they need upward firing speakers. The 16" is just laughable. It sounded great but the specs were rather mild, the hinges look terrible, the build quality is worse than chink tier between the misfit panels and deck flex, and the speakers are lowest tier as well as side firing. I really wanted the 16" to be a thing but that Indian really blew it out his ass.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IMO the modular deck of the 16 is a huge mistake. They should just produce the deck as a single component and just have several variants for preference on layout.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Expensive, not readily available

    Personally, as cool as the concept is, I can't justify having one as they also lack wacom support and there are no swivel display options

    t. Fujitsu T938 user/noob artist

  18. 2 weeks ago
    DS2 rat

    I just got a T480 for $70. I really don't see why I would want this overpriced linus tech tips garbage.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    love the idea, but to build the same laptop I have right now it would cost about 50% more
    also the expansion slots aren't enough
    my laptop has 5 slots right now and they're designed nice and compact
    if I go with framework, I'd have to lose one slot and carry a usbc hub

    also I need digitiser + stylus
    360 folding screen so I can use it as a tablet
    it would be nice to replace the trackpad with a touchscreen
    and a glasses free 3d display + stereoscopic webcam would be amazing for videocalls

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too expensive, no pointing nipple with middle click.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Considered buying one but they're not sold in my country

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do they have coreboot yet?

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    meme

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no coreboot
    >no classic Thinkpad style keyboard
    no buy.

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