When did humans get obsessed with borders?

Most of the ancient world didn't have them. You could essentially live anywhere without a single piece of paper as long as the town didn't your people for some reason and you paid taxes.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There were still 'borders'. There were frontiers of the Roman Empire and then rough frontiers between barbarian tribes.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing like today though where a border can be demarcated on some random street or field

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Usually it's along rivers or landmarks

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Peace of Westphalia

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      TPBP

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Redpill me

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Poles don't deserve to have a country

  3. 5 months ago
    Ο Σολιταίρ

    >When did humans get obsessed with borders?
    about when they started eating FOOD, and two tribes agreed to hunt the animals on either* side of a river.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      /thread/
      Christ, even Animals know the concept of borders/boundaries

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You couldn't enforce borders on a national scale back then. Individual cities and private estates typically had pretty tight 'border' control, but there wasn't much point in patrolling the hinterlands.
    Anyway as for when, Westphalia was the invention of the modern state you're thinking of.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      ...but individual cities don't have security at the border anymore. Also that was to stop threats like armies and diseases. Not to stop people from coming in, especially when they were a merchant with some fresh goodies.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Not to stop people from coming in, especially when they were a merchant with some fresh goodies.
        You're a fricking moron.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The security was random men, they'd be expected to intervene if someone who was banished tried to enter.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >le piece of paper
    lolberts and anarchists are braindead losers, no exceptions

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just because it wasn't reguralized on paper doesn't mean it didn't exist
    I want to see you hop near someone elses home in the ancient world and start picking the peaches that grow near his house
    He has no paper that make those peaches his, but he will be pissed, because those are his peaches.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    most great apes are territorial

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP your humanities knowledge could be improved by watching literal wildlife documentary. Inevitably at some point the topic shofts to herds or individuals of the same species fighting over territory.
    >the absolute state of OP

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >borders are natura-
      >*migrates in your path*

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        schizo babble
        just say what you want to say instead of making gay little insinuations

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah just like herdsmen transporting their herds from winter to summer pastures. They fight other herders and agriculturalists off the land while waiting it to regrow its grass btw.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      most great apes are territorial

      >muh borders
      >like we should just have none maann
      i'll agree that in the modern context there are some problems, but "borders" are even a pre-human thing, chimps and cats have borders around their territory
      the earliest humans would perfectly understand that there were lines of division over those rivers and mountains

      /thread/
      Christ, even Animals know the concept of borders/boundaries

      I want to choke all of you out. There's a difference between having a home and a nation-state border. Stop trying to ignore the scale of the two which a house/territory is only ~.25 acres at most while a small nation-state is 10s of millions of acres. If your house was 10s of millions of acres and blocked everyone from going around with without a boat, yes it would be an entirely different story.
      >MUH ANIMALS!!!!!
      First of all moron, we aren't apes. We're an evolved species. Some great apes eat their own droppings. Does that mean humans should do it? Not every animal has "territory" either. This is what schizo predators do...which surprise surprise:They end up starving 80% of the time because all an animal has to do is stay out of the area and wait for the schizo predator species to starve the death.

  9. 5 months ago
    Radiochan

    The ancient world knew what territory was theirs, and even tribes in New Guinea knew what was theirs, it's something that comes up over and over again in human history

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    When the last acre of land on the continents was claimed by nation-states they truly started to obsess over borders

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >When did humans get obsessed with borders?
    They got tired of people waltzing in and killing everyone

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Humans were always territorial, hunter-gatherer tribes would attack other tribes that infringed on their hunting grounds, the only difference is that as history and technology progressed, border control could be more tightly controlled. This behavior is even seen in other primates, just read about the Gombe Chimpanzee War.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >OHHH N---!

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muh borders
    >like we should just have none maann
    i'll agree that in the modern context there are some problems, but "borders" are even a pre-human thing, chimps and cats have borders around their territory
    the earliest humans would perfectly understand that there were lines of division over those rivers and mountains

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    In history borders always existed, it was more vague natural borders like mountains and rivers because they hadn't the means to enforce it.
    >and you paid taxes.
    Yes, as long as you paid taxes. They were fine with you moving there as long as you contributed, but they're still enforcing territory aren't they? The "piece of paper" as you call it is just a more efficient means to observe who goes where as we have much greater populations than back then.

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since this seems to be the right thread for this topic:
    How were borders demarked when there were no physical barriers like rivers. For example the borders of the roman province of Illyricum.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The national medieval borders of Wales and England literally prevented geneflow to a certain extent. It's over basically. Recent Anglo Saxon papers showed it.

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