Which Greek god was the biggest asshole?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ares. And it’s not close.
    Hera was also a massive c**t but being married to Zeus will do that to you.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      t. Gets his information from video games and superheroes

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Way to out yourself as a secondary.
        Ares wasn’t cool, he wasn’t loved. He commonly runs away like a b***h in the mythos when he doesn’t have complete advantage.
        Like I said, it’s not close. Even Olympus barely tolerated him.
        Athena (and Aphrodite if you’re Doric) was the God of War people respected.

        Hera has done some pretty bad shit, as if getting raped by Zeus wasn't bad enough Hera will probably blame it all on you and take it out on you in the worst ways imagineable.

        Athena has also done some really horrible petty things but she's also been pretty helpful and friendly towards some, kind of a coin flip.

        And of course Zeus constantly fricks with humanity and seeks to limit them or screw them over, he's basically like an abusive manipulative father to mankind. Its as if he wants humanity to be shallow pets and only gave them intelligence to suffer for his entertainment, though he often treats his half human children pretty well.

        As much as I find them hilarious, the slice of life stories about Zeus and most of the Gods is theater gossip for plebs, not some hard scripture. Human writers would make a new one every week to entertain people. The greeks were not that autistic about their Gods so there was little issue with writers making new stories as if they were characters.
        >And of course Zeus constantly fricks with humanity and seeks to limit them or screw them over, he's basically like an abusive manipulative father to mankind. Its as if he wants humanity to be shallow pets and only gave them intelligence to suffer for his entertainment,
        No. That's YHWH who fractured all human language over a threat to his feeble ego or introduced generational sin over the entire human species. Manipulation is unnecessary to Zeus bscause he has no pretenses about being entirely benevolent or loving, he genuinely does not care if Humans revere him or not. But he also keeps his fury limited to individuals over humanity as a whole. Prometheus conned the Gods out of Fire and proper sacrifices, Zeus took his "justice" out on Prometheus, but STILL allowed humans to keep what they were given without throwing a tantrum on them. Which is what YHWH would have done.
        [...]
        She threw her own son off a cliff for being born ugly. That wasn't Zeus mind controlling her, she's no less psychotic then him.

        Yeah, I definitely wasn’t implying that Hera was less of a piece of shit than Zeus. They’re both terrible and thats part of why their marriage is such a shit show.

        https://i.imgur.com/ewaxbM5.jpeg

        How did they pick who to worship?
        Do whatever your parents did?
        Feeling rebellious and switch sides?
        It all just boiled down to muh feels?
        No logic?

        Not shitting on greek gods here but I'm pretty ignorant to their customs but would like to know more

        The big elements were whatever gods were considered important where you were born, what you were doing / needed (Athena and Ares at war, Artemis at hunt, Poseidon at sea, Hera for childbirth, etc.), and any deities that resonated with you and your family that you’d pray to at the hearth.
        The only one of the main players who was aggressively not prayed to was Hades, as inviting his attention was seen as bad luck. After all if you and he bond too much what’s to stop him from…speeding up your death so you can spend some more time with him?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Zeus and Poseidon were far worse than Ares, they literally made entire civilizations dissapear, they were also way more rapey and incestuous than him, the Troyan War started basically because Hera, Aphrodite and Atena were competing to see who was the most beautiful, he killed Poseidon's son because he tried to rape his daughter. Thankfully Ares was vindicated by the Romans who made him one of their most important gods

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Chief Gods or War Gods are almost always credited when one civilization subjugates or eradicates another. "Le Gods favored us so you lost." Nothing special to be honest.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The cult to Mars wasn't exclusively a cult of war and victory, he was also associated with the negative side of war including defeat, virility, male beauty, bravery, pasion, etc.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Why did they prefer mars over Minerva then?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The lack of Athens being the most preeminent city.
            As well, Gods and heroes that were based around being overly cunning were kind of looked down upon.
            The Romans for example, hated Odysseus and viewed him as a villain protagonist. And Ulysses got a lot of help from Minerva over the course of his stories.

            Minerva's military elements were acknowledged but also fairly minimized in many ways.
            She was instead the goddess of intellectual pursuits and crafts, with military strategy just being a side component of it.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >You're a secondary
          >Only read Athenian narratives about the Spartan patron God
          moron.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Homer
            >Athenian

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Ares wasn’t the Spartan patron god. Their primary war deity was Aphrodite ironically enough. Ares wasn’t that important to Sparta.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Sparta, more like Simpta

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I wonder if there was some Mesopotamian influence there.
            Aphrodite as a goddess of love and war being patterned off of Ishtar?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I wonder if there was some Mesopotamian influence there.
            Aphrodite as a goddess of love and war being patterned off of Ishtar?

            That is indeed the main theory right now behind Aphrodite Areia (the Warlike) / Aphrodite Encheios (spear-bearer) / Aphrodite Urania (the celestial).
            Basically the earliest evidence of Aphrodite the War God is in Cyprus and Cythera, who would both have been exposed to the various versions of Ishtar - especially the Phoenician one given the heavy trade. The Dorians seemed very open to this take on the goddess and the Ionians a lot less so.
            The main hubs of the cult ended up being
            >Sparta (as mentioned prior)
            >Taras
            >Cypus
            >Cythera
            >Argos
            With milder expressions in
            >Athens (only on the Areopagus)
            >Corinth
            >Manteneia (Ares and Aphrodite shared the temple of war)
            It hasn’t been explicitly said that this influenced why Aphrodite and Ares are lovers even in the Ionian canon but I suspect that’s a thing as well.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ares is a defender of abused women and loves all of his children, unlike many of the gods. He's attaqed by the Greeks because he's Thracian and they want to feel like they only like the "smart" parts of war and all their enemies are dumb brutes.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          seeing myth as a sitcom and debating which god is more of an "butthole" is a tumblr/reddit opinion, go read percy jackson

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Zeus and Poseidon were far worse than Ares, they literally made entire civilizations dissapear, they were also way more rapey and incestuous than him, the Troyan War started basically because Hera, Aphrodite and Atena were competing to see who was the most beautiful, he killed Poseidon's son because he tried to rape his daughter. Thankfully Ares was vindicated by the Romans who made him one of their most important gods

      Ares is a defender of abused women and loves all of his children, unlike many of the gods. He's attaqed by the Greeks because he's Thracian and they want to feel like they only like the "smart" parts of war and all their enemies are dumb brutes.

      Chief Gods or War Gods are almost always credited when one civilization subjugates or eradicates another. "Le Gods favored us so you lost." Nothing special to be honest.

      The cult to Mars wasn't exclusively a cult of war and victory, he was also associated with the negative side of war including defeat, virility, male beauty, bravery, pasion, etc.

      aryas is very based I think.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ares was a victim of Athens's cult of Athena.
      Athena took all the intelligent aspects of violence and conflict and Ares got stuck representing its most base drives and foolishness in most myths.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Apollo

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Hera has done some pretty bad shit, as if getting raped by Zeus wasn't bad enough Hera will probably blame it all on you and take it out on you in the worst ways imagineable.

    Athena has also done some really horrible petty things but she's also been pretty helpful and friendly towards some, kind of a coin flip.

    And of course Zeus constantly fricks with humanity and seeks to limit them or screw them over, he's basically like an abusive manipulative father to mankind. Its as if he wants humanity to be shallow pets and only gave them intelligence to suffer for his entertainment, though he often treats his half human children pretty well.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      As much as I find them hilarious, the slice of life stories about Zeus and most of the Gods is theater gossip for plebs, not some hard scripture. Human writers would make a new one every week to entertain people. The greeks were not that autistic about their Gods so there was little issue with writers making new stories as if they were characters.
      >And of course Zeus constantly fricks with humanity and seeks to limit them or screw them over, he's basically like an abusive manipulative father to mankind. Its as if he wants humanity to be shallow pets and only gave them intelligence to suffer for his entertainment,
      No. That's YHWH who fractured all human language over a threat to his feeble ego or introduced generational sin over the entire human species. Manipulation is unnecessary to Zeus bscause he has no pretenses about being entirely benevolent or loving, he genuinely does not care if Humans revere him or not. But he also keeps his fury limited to individuals over humanity as a whole. Prometheus conned the Gods out of Fire and proper sacrifices, Zeus took his "justice" out on Prometheus, but STILL allowed humans to keep what they were given without throwing a tantrum on them. Which is what YHWH would have done.

      https://i.imgur.com/ooG1wxF.jpeg

      Ares. And it’s not close.
      Hera was also a massive c**t but being married to Zeus will do that to you.

      She threw her own son off a cliff for being born ugly. That wasn't Zeus mind controlling her, she's no less psychotic then him.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >randomly bringing up christianity for no reason
        Can we please have one fricking thread without dumbass religious conflict

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Sadly no. It’s fricking incessant.
          If it’s not the theoLARPers it’s the fedoras.
          I just want to talk about historical stuff, man. I don’t get why it needs to be this hard.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >I just want to talk about historical stuff, man. I don’t get why it needs to be this hard.
            This takes effort. Christlarpers are lazy as all hell, they won’t even read the bible

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Many such cases.
            I don’t even mind discussing theology, I just want it to be rooted in something that has more depth than a puddle.
            Like these frickers wouldn’t last twenty pages into the Summa Contra Gentiles or City of God.
            It’s just the fashionable thing now. No substance.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The example did it's job of demonstrating how a God that matches the accused character traits actually acts.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >She threw her own son off a cliff for being born ugly.
        She did it with Zeus' approval
        https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D1%3Acard%3D568

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Athena is based as frick. My favourite story is when she bails out Orestes from the Erinyes by casting a tiebreaker vote and then convinced the Erinyes to serve as guardian deities in Athens.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How did they pick who to worship?
    Do whatever your parents did?
    Feeling rebellious and switch sides?
    It all just boiled down to muh feels?
    No logic?

    Not shitting on greek gods here but I'm pretty ignorant to their customs but would like to know more

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe it depended on what you were doing? If you're going out fishing that poofta Hermes isn't going to be much help

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Generally each city and each profession had a patron god. So if you were an Athenian fisherman, you'd especially honor Athena and Poseidon. But it generally doesn't pay to disrespect any god, even by accident, even if it's the patron god of your enemies.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Gods were often linked to cities, or specific expressions of them were.
      Gods were often linked to professions.
      Gods were often linked to specific miracles or signs, so if you saw one it might inspire you to start following them.

      So you'd go down the list.
      Your area would probably have a patron god.
      Your job would probably have a patron god.
      And going by what you saw or experienced in life, you might seek out a patron god. Even certain philosophies had patron gods they focused their system around, with the most extreme expression being late Platonism and Zeus.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >No mention of Dionysus yet
    Motherfricker was literally the incarnation of hedonism
    Zero redeeming qualities
    Zero relevancy beyond random stupid hippie cult shenanigans
    Nothing but substance abuse, and degenerate bullshit, day and night
    Not to mention how his fan club of femcel b***hes were always going full sparagmos on random people, and generally being a fricking nuisance to everyone
    We lost Orpheus to these buttholes, for frick's sake

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He was also a cool adventurer though.
      I think Pan is even worse, basically Dionysus but without the cool adventurer part.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He was also a cool adventurer though.
      I think Pan is even worse, basically Dionysus but without the cool adventurer part.

      Dionysus is fascinating as one of those bizarre Anatolian imports. I know opinion even then was strongly divided on him.
      To anon’s point though despite being a god of literal madness and with actively destructive cults the Greeks tended to pass it off as if he was a lovable drunk uncle.
      >”Oh that wacky Dionysus! What will he get into next?”
      Agree that Pan is awful. He’s basically the divine version of subhuman.

      I recently just remembered the story of Arachne and it's so fricking upsetting.
      Like it's one thing if she herself would have been punished for blaspheming, but instead she got punished and being good at what she does and someone else blaspheming
      that's fricked up

      Many such cases.
      Outside of Mesopotamia I can’t think of many myth traditions that have such dour outlooks on their own gods and the nature of the world.
      In both cases the best approach to the gods was “keep your head down and don’t get noticed”
      >”But if I become a great hero maybe one of the gods will select me for a great afterlife!”
      >”Or maybe Apollo is offended that you didn’t properly wash his sundial so now he’s wracked your entire family with plague for the next 10 years. Face it you’re ending up in Hades with the rest of us…”

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >enjoying yourself is bad

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    In the Illiad, Zeus comes off as being pretty neutral and considering the war above his concerns.

    But Athena and Hera do everything in their power to sway him to move things in the direction of Troy getting destroyed, even though the Trojans themsleves are innocent and haven't done anything to insult the gods. Nearly all of the gods sans Zeus and Hestia come off as being extremely petty, vengeful and jealous of each other in the Illiad, almost like children in a big dysfunctional family.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >considering the war above his concerns
      The war was engineered by Zeus. He's neutral about it because he's getting what he wants: a massive demigod purge.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I recently just remembered the story of Arachne and it's so fricking upsetting.
    Like it's one thing if she herself would have been punished for blaspheming, but instead she got punished and being good at what she does and someone else blaspheming
    that's fricked up

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    they're all demons, so all of them

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Area was a bit civilized in Mars so the leftover brutality went to Bellona.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Bingo.

      Why did they prefer mars over Minerva then?

      Minerva / Athena was more about strategy and cunning, which is a little homosexual to the Roman mind.
      In addition, Caesar claimed descent from Venus so her lover Mars was destined to share co-importance with her over other war gods.
      Plus? His beard was quite fancy.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >strategy was homosexual to the roman
        You mean the same morons that are renowned for their logistics and diplomatic schemes?
        Wew lad. I know they were belligerent Black folk but to call them morons that couldn't stategize is wrong

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          That’s not at all what I said. Not even close.
          They *preferred* Mars. If they didn’t believe in strategy at all they would’ve scrubbed Minerva from the books. Again, not my claim.
          Also, the more crucial PR reason of Mars being incorporated into the cult of Caesar as the lover of Venus, which you ignored.
          The beard comment and calling strategy a bit homosexual were transparently cheeky as well. Come the frick on anon.
          After all, if being a bit homosexual meant the Romans didn’t do it…there’s a lot of poetry and homosexual shit they have to speak for.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Ares defended a single rape, to my knowledge, and reveled in the rapes that occurred during war. Not exactly a guardian of women.
    so speculation?
    What a fricking jerkoff.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Calling me a jerkoff doesn’t tell me why I’m supposedly wrong.
    Even in the likes of Homer’s hymn and the votives of the Tegeans (easily some of the the most positive and worshipful takes on Ares) he’s not depicted as a protector against rape.
    At best you can speculate that you pray to him to help murder whoever might rape you - IE the Tageans routing the Spartans - or to instill the discipline that could stop it from happening, but evidently speculation is a bad thing so let’s not.
    We have:
    >One defence of a rape in myth
    >A cult devoted to him from grateful women who staved off the Spartans
    >The fact that Ares’ domain was cruel war, which included rape as a matter of course in antiquity
    What exactly am I wrong about?
    I am more than happy to be corrected if you have evidence or arguments. Greek polytheism was a vast practice across a lot of different communities. Show me the sources I’m not taking into account.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Technically Poseidon concidering how dangerous pre age of sail naval travel was.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Poseidon was just a c**t in stories too.
      And he caused earthquakes.
      I don’t see why he wouldn’t be in everyone’s top five butthole olympians

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >I don’t see why he wouldn’t be in everyone’s top five butthole olympians
        Percy Jackson.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The kid’s book?
          What is it pro-Poseidon apologia?

          https://i.imgur.com/EIqAxB3.jpeg

          You are telling me that we discuss historical subjects on the IQfy board?

          Perish the thought, right?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yep. Poseidon is written very sympathetic Athena is all but forgiven for her crimes
            > Medusa deserved it. What did Riordan mean by this bros?

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >lets compare which olympian was the biggest butthole!!
    reddit behavior, go back

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Heaven forbid we discuss a lighthearted historical subject rather than indulge in another 35 lol christcucks / atheists are bad threads.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You are telling me that we discuss historical subjects on the IQfy board?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >IQfy
        >discussing history
        if only you people understood the inherent arrogance of that statement, maybe this place wouldn't be the festering sack of shit it is

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > bRO wHY DoN'T wE DIsCUSS wHY chrisTIANS ARe crINGe FoR tHE 389089280809848080th tIMe
          Touch Grass

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            you're way off the mark
            but IQfy deserves that quality of discussion for a reason.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >you're way off the mark
            Sorry about that
            > but IQfy deserves that quality of discussion for a reason.
            Yep

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >alt
            MJ….

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Nico Robin?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        that pic is the gayest thing i've ever seen

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Artemis and Athena

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Greek pantheon is just a bunch of boomers doing what boomers do best , fricking their kids over and bragging how great they are while fricking friends wives and gambling life savings .

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Theater fanfiction

      https://i.imgur.com/NjESXyO.jpeg

      >Which Greek god was the biggest butthole?
      Zeus.
      >hates humans so much he decides to not give them fire so they would freeze to death
      >punishes the guy who gives them fire
      >as if he saved the humans, demands animal sacrifice
      >chimps out when most of the offered meat were grease
      >nuts in multiple humans and divine beings
      >wouldnt marry anyone and live as a hypersexual stormy manchild until Hera femdoms him, still continues to nut in random unsuspecting women
      >strongest god but does nothing, basically allows, when other gods do something wrong he just... watches and nods head

      Hera is a failed femdom and cuckquean in training. She regrows her hymen everytime they frick.

      >considering the war above his concerns
      The war was engineered by Zeus. He's neutral about it because he's getting what he wants: a massive demigod purge.

      (TND) Total Nephilim Death.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Tantalos was a friend of the gods, they ate at his house. But he had a perverse mind, and he hatched a plan to cook his son, Pelops (Dark-eyes) and serve him to the gods to see if they could tell. They could, and turned away the food except Demeter, who was preoccupied about her kidnapped daughter, Persephone. Demeter ate part of Pelops' shoulder.
    The gods sentenced Tantalos to be imprisoned in Hades, and placed in a pool with fruit trees overhead. He was hungry and thirsty, but when he reached for the water it drained away, and when he reached for the fruit it would rise up out of reach.
    Pelops went south, and heard of a beautiful woman, Hippodameia (Horse-queen), the only child of King Oenemaus (Wine-man). Oenemaus would not let Hippodameia marry unless her suitor defeated him in a chariot race. Nineteen men had tried, and all had died - run off the cliff, trampled, dragged, pulled out of the car with the old man's whip.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Which Greek god was the biggest butthole?
    Zeus.
    >hates humans so much he decides to not give them fire so they would freeze to death
    >punishes the guy who gives them fire
    >as if he saved the humans, demands animal sacrifice
    >chimps out when most of the offered meat were grease
    >nuts in multiple humans and divine beings
    >wouldnt marry anyone and live as a hypersexual stormy manchild until Hera femdoms him, still continues to nut in random unsuspecting women
    >strongest god but does nothing, basically allows, when other gods do something wrong he just... watches and nods head

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yet people will say Ares is worse.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Zeus was also a huge butthole during the Trojan war, cheating on his own rules and lying and failing heroes when they needed him most
      Aphrodite had a frickboy she was fond of, and Ares just wanted to wreck shit, but Zeus was ineffectually meddling the whole time he wasn't getting tricked

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Zeus was also a huge butthole during the Trojan war, cheating on his own rules and lying and failing heroes when they needed him most
      Aphrodite had a frickboy she was fond of, and Ares just wanted to wreck shit, but Zeus was ineffectually meddling the whole time he wasn't getting tricked

      Did you Black folk even read the Iliad? Zeus doesn't save the heroes of the war or his sons because the fates weave the deaths of gods and men. Even he isn't supposed to interfere in this because they're a primordial force while Zeus is a b***h compared to his father or grandfather

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        zeus after the orphic egg power up solos the verse

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Pelops visited Oenomaus' charioteer, Myrtilus, and made him a bargain: In exchange for sabotaging his master's chariot, the crooked man would get to enjoy the first night with Hippodameia. The charioteer made a lynchpin out of bees' wax.
    The race was fierce at first, but the lynch pin gave way and Oenomaus died in the crash. Pelops and Hippodameia were married that day. But when Myrtilus appeared to collect on the bargain, Pelops reneged and threw the poor man off a cliff into the sea.
    While he fell, Myrtilus cursed Pelops and his entire line, and the gods saw his treachery. Strife and betrayal would follow the line of Tantalos for another three generations unto the end of the Trojan War.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Welp. There goes the history.
    Now the homosexuals are out in force.
    RIP a decent thread.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Typhon was fricking awesome, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
    Frick Zeus

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I like the story variation of Hera birthing Typhon with the help of Gaia or Cronus to frick with Zeus for birthing Athena, almost obliterating him in the process.

      Hera also whoops Artemis ass in the Illiad.

      In another story Hera convinces the rest of the gods to overthow Zeus , but he was unbound with the help of a giant and then hanged Hera from the sky, until her incesant wailing made him pull her down.

      Honestly Hera sounds like the scariest Olympian. One of her epithets was also "widow", to show how independent she was. The earliest temples in Greece were dedicated to Hera as well, which shows that the ancient greeks both revered and feared her as a "great mother" goddess. Her ties with numerous monsters and giants shows she may have been syncretized with an older pre-Greek chthonian mother goddess or the Minoan cow goddess.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Typhon is usually described as being stronger than most of the Gods combined but deathly weak to electric type attacks. He's like a Pokémon.
        IIRC Hades feared the Underworld would cave in when he fought Zeus.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The obvious and true answer is Zeus

    but the most base pill answer is any of the female gods

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Gay topic for a thread. My question is why has Greek homosexuality (almost entirely Pedophilia and Pederasty) been so thoroughly whitewashed by moronic youtubers and Madeline Miller? Like there are hundreds of thousands of people alive right now who think the greeks were le wholesome gay achilles x patroclus romantics

    it's like the reframing of the kidnapping of persephone as a young woman freely eloping with a hot goth dude in defiance of her overbearing mother

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      There's nothing in the Iliad that suggests the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus was homosexual in nature. Both of them screw women in the book. Homosexuality was taboo in ancient Greece for the same reason celebacy was; Greek religion had an element of ancestor worship and a man was expected to carry on the bloodline so that future generations could offer sacrifices to their ancestors. In many Greek cities homosexuality was punishable by death. Bisexuality was tolerated relative to the medieval period since it didn't interfere with the sacred institution of family.

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