Which immortality technology is going to come out on top? Why aren't more people pouring money into this tech?

Which immortality technology is going to come out on top? Why aren't more people pouring money into this tech? What's the point of becoming a billionaire if you're just going to die later...seems like this should be the most important quest for humans before they move on to other things like space travel.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gene therapy or uploading consciousness to da cloud.
    I couldn't imagine wanting to live longer than 60. I already want to kill myself at 31.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      brain upload is very moronic tbh

      >i want to spend eternity wageslaving and arguing with morons on IQfy

      desu, giving immortality to the current political wokefricks and living thousands of years under their moralistic stupidity seems hellish.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        thats why they want immortality for themselves. its a bit like power. if everyone has it, it might become problematic lol.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i want to spend eternity wageslaving and arguing with morons on IQfy

      what's the point of living longer? if anything id rather cut my lifespan in half.

      Not all of us are fat ugly losers making minimum wage complaining about the dollar tree raising prices to $1.25.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        only low iq people can be happy in such a flawed world

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          low iq is not knowing what to do with unlimited time, because your interests are severely limited by your pea brain

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            at the end of the day you're just distracting yourself from a meaningless existence, but if that makes you happy good for you

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sounds like u work at dominos or sum shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            having a degree that daddy's money paid for doesn't make you smarter

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            but it does make us richer

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          not sure if edgy 14 year old or pessimistic philosophy

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >not sure if edgy 14 year old
            There nothing more infantile than caring about being normal and conforming to specific values and views.
            Grow up.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Low IQ is embracing fatalism instead of realizing that with immortality comes the endless opportunity to fixing the world around you yourself.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >t. projecting fat ugly loser

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not all of us are healthy

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you are tho, right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, even if the probability is vanishingly low, the chance of you losing your virginity with time approaches one! That's why we need immortality, so we don't die virgins!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        tfw I'd just end up killing myself as a 3000 year old wizard instead

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why is consciousness transfer nonsense?

      >uploading consciousness to da cloud.
      >letting someone trick you into uploading a flash of your current thoughts into a chat gpt rp server, combining it with the personality profile they made of you from decades of spying and then literally killing yourself while pretending their chat bot is really you, enjoying your life in the cloud

      dont fall for that bullshit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >uploading consciousness to da cloud.
      In no possible world would that still be you, it'd just be a (probably shitty) copy of your neural structure. Fricking insane that people are moronic enough to fall for that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but the coin toss..

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but the coin toss..

        Just have a you in the cloud and a physical you at the same time and work together.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Gene therapy is already a given but that's like saying that the dominant technology in agriculture is 'oranges': that's a product, not a tech.

      Also the answer to OP is: cell-cell fusion.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same and same

      [...]
      [...]
      Not all of us are fat ugly losers making minimum wage complaining about the dollar tree raising prices to $1.25.

      I’m a millionaire I just despise humanity and consider sentience definitionally evil

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >i want to spend eternity wageslaving and arguing with morons on IQfy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why is consciousness transfer nonsense?

      I want be a old man who transplant his brain to a robot with shape of teenager anime girls, exploring the future wasteland

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        me on the left

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nice AI slop

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Only the russians and bezos are getting it right. Everything else is cope.

      This but unironically.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      dont be stupid, this is for the rich and powerful, we'll be at most test subjects and raw materials.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Which immortality technology is going to come out on top?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what's the point of living longer? if anything id rather cut my lifespan in half.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Which immortality technology is going to come out on top?
    If the AI is really nice, it will ship of Theseus us.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So, Singularity, merging us with the machine and becoming a single AI?
      Yeah, im fine with that. Lets just hope our next evolution dont become a cancer to the universe like we are to the planet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but for the elites, not for you. In the best outcome you get slowly phased out into abject misery, in the worst one they keep you as a torture pet for eternity

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > in the worst one they keep you as a torture pet for eternity
          The difference to the present is?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            At the moment you just get routinely subjected to humiliations rituals and eventually you die, there is plenty of respite still

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What stops them from just ripping my soul into another vassal to wageslave the next 80 years?
            Maybe the elite have achieved godhood in the future and are just circulating souls to work for them eternally, they just havent figured how to make the bodies last more.

            Im really going schizo here. Going to cut back a bit:

            Maybe, all this "living more" isnt quite made for the Elites. Its probably for us, we live longer, we work longer and they set the retiring age back to 90.
            >"Youre 75, youre healthy enough for work another 20"

            Elites get to live easy and die easy as well.
            Eternity is for the wageslaves

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hope to die before I'm 60.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why all are of these merchants so scared of meeting God? Are they perhaps feeling guilty, scared of punishment?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >God
      your magic skydaddy isn't real

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        enjoy your eternal lake of fire homosexual

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the magic lake of fire that i will be magically transported to somehow

          keep believing israeli fairytales moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Jews don't believe in hell, nor there's mentions of hell in their holy book as far as I know

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Correct, we believe everyone goes to the same place upon death, and that reward and punishment is meted out in this world either to us, or to our descendants, possibly for generations.
            However, talmudists also believe there is some form of post-death punishment.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Jews believe in hell, they call it the Sheol. It is repeatedly mentioned in their scriptures.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I met him, and he doesn't like humanity. Think strong intelligent people that want to be here.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >your magic skydaddy isn't real
        and yet he keep technically not punishing you for technically not trying to cheat him

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i duno. what if you could live to 400 years instead of 100. imagine what you could learn and do (provided your not a wage slave)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      stop anthropomorphizing God. it's a semitic trap.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >stop anthropomorphizing God
        Yes, She hates it when you do that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He's a being farther above us than we are above the most primitive bacteria.
        "Anthro'ing" Him is pretty silly indeed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's an interesting question on how bad those imortal billionaires would become.
      There something like that in altered carbon and it gets rather dystopic

      Not just christian guilt, consider the metaphysical suffering from unbounded desires from Buddhism and other philosophical concerns of that type.

      Even with sci-fi level technology you'll still die eventually from even unpredictable conditions, something will kill you one day, whatever unlikely

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    View Aubrey de Grey at sens.org

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >View[sic] Scammer de Scam at scams.org

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >View[sic] Scammer de Scam at scams.org
        Please give proper reasons why you think Aubrey De Grey to be a fraud.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well obviously not brain upload, since the concept is just nonsense. Gene therapys are probably the only real way to fix aging.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why is consciousness transfer nonsense?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The brain is not a formalized data storage device, you cannot upload data from it. The brain is the data. Brain upload makes as much sense as uploading a block of wood.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Webdevs lol
          You are writing state into a medium, the same as any other data storage operation

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sweaty? You're wrong. (and dumb)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry, but I'm right
            Every time you save something to disk it's with respect to some level of abstraction, and it describes some state within that level of abstraction.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Why is consciousness transfer nonsense?
        Extremely hard to do correctly, basically most solutions will not be much better than growing a clone of yourself, then killing your original self.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Even if you grow a clone of your genetic material how do you rearrange it's neurons to copy yours?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Look at it this way, you need to do that anyway if you are going to enter the self-improvement loop and attain godlike power. How are you going to program your own mind if you aren't comfortable making backups of yourself?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that was a good show. wish marcy would sit on my face

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The tech to read 86 billion neurons and 100 trillion atoms per neuron on their exact position and spin is pretty out of reach so far.
        Approximations could work but it then wouldn't be truly a conciousness.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If you approximate it gradually, most people would find the transition philosophically acceptable.

          So have nanotech scan a patch of the brain and learn to simulate it, replace it and move to next patch. It's like distilling a LLM.

          You might consider it a slow death, I don't.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much this

        The brain is not a formalized data storage device, you cannot upload data from it. The brain is the data. Brain upload makes as much sense as uploading a block of wood.

        Also, your whole nervous system is arguably an integral part of your brain too.
        Getting your brain 'transferred' to another body, one way or another, might make you mad just because you would no longer experience the right kind of sensation.
        Your brain and new nervous system would be mismatched.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    None of this works because there are hard limits to human biology. We don't even understand a fraction of how the brain works, so somehow uploading your consciousness is a joke.

    Telomere lengthening, gene therapy, etc are things that actually theoretically possible but how all these systems interact is another thing that's very poorly understood. Telomere lengthening for example seems really simple but every time we've done it in animal studies it makes the animals puff up with tumors and die. The interaction of genes goes beyond the primary traits they establish and their interactions are incredibly complex. A gene therapy that prevents liver cancer for example could also cause any number of other problems because the changed genes effect far more than just liver cells.

    Blood infusions from younger people doesn't work, full stop. There have been tons of studies on this because it's an easy thing to do. If you're anemic or have blood disorders that normally are treated with transfusions then no shit it'll work for those conditions, but young blood doesn't change aging.

    Implants and cybernetics are stopped hard by the human immune system. If you can't figure out how to make implants of the flesh or metal variety not trigger an immune response, you're not going to fight aging with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      See:
      sens.org

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >If you can't figure out how to make implants of the flesh or metal variety not trigger an immune response, you're not going to fight aging with it
      Do pacemakers cause an immune response?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sometimes yes. Insulin pumps as well.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Please be dumb on reddit and not here thank you

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Damage repair. See: sens.org
    Watch documentary: Do You Want to Live Forever?

    Educate that overcrowding is NOT a risk of universal human life extension.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >plasma from young people could be transfused into the elderly
    Very delicate way of phrasing "old rich people taking blood out of babies"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It also doesn't work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It does work but not fully.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >BLOOD INJECTIONS
    >BLOOD INJECTIONS
    can't even make their homosexual infographic right

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yep

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Meditation

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they're all just cover for moloch worship, dipshit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      stop anthropomorphizing God. it's a semitic trap.

      Good morning sir

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    None of the above. Most likely something similar to what Dr. David Sinclair's team at Harvard is working on, pulsing on/off some epigenomes to force methyl group shifts and reset cells to a younger age.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I actually do want to have eternal youth. No monkey's paw bullshit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Great! See my earlier post:

      Damage repair. See: sens.org
      Watch documentary: Do You Want to Live Forever?

      Educate that overcrowding is NOT a risk of universal human life extension.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >seems like this should be the most important quest for humans before they move on to other things like space travel.
    Of course not. Space colonization is about survival. Or suffer the same eventual fate as non-avian dinosaurs. Our demand for resources is also killing parts of the planet, numbnuts. Access to the limitless resources out there in space on barren, lifeless worlds only makes sense.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Daft bot post. Most of the replies in this thread are trolls or bots.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    biological immortality is one of those things that only elites will ever have access to, and even then it will probably turn them into cruelty squad hyper-ghouls, at least psychologically
    death is fundamental to the human experience, removing it from civilization will be a quagmire of unforeseen consequences

    you WILL die one day, get the frick over it you wang

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Of course I'll die some day, but I'll experience and grow more the longer I live. If you embrace death so handily, why not have a nice day right now?

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly my best bet on longevity advancements in the next 50 years is replacement organs/mech parts to reach a solid 110-120 years assuming things go well. Once your brain starts going, you are gone, no a brain upload is not you its a copy. Still a big jump up from the average 80-ish.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fun fact: almost all 'old age' deaths are heart failure. Also fun fact: the neurons essential for survival are immortal cells. They are known to be able to live and never renew in even the longest lifetimes, and are expected to live indefinitely. Those neurons that do get replaced are non-essential to survival.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Fun cope
        Death can't be prevented, it's nothing to worry about anyway since over 100 billion humans are already dead

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Death can be prevented. Many organisms are immortal, including some mammals.
          Go have a nice day since, given your conviction as to the inevitability of death, you have no reason to keep on living already.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not him but I think the idea is that you will die from something eventually. If you're biologically immortal then the chance of something bad happening is 100%

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Many organisms are immortal, including some mammals.
            okay list them then schizo

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Many organisms are immortal, including some mammals.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What fricking mammals, the only immortal things I can think of are those thousand year old rare trees.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            naked mole rats

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Which immortality technology is going to come out on top?
    Theravada Buddhism.

    >there is one consciousness that takes turns seeing through the eyes of countless creatures big and small, feeling through their limbs, eating through their mouths
    >it switches views so quickly that this creates the illusion of many individuals
    >when you die the illusion is broken and you simply realize that there was never an individual

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Even if this is true it doesn't answer to question

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But it does. If you can realize that you're immortal in some sense then most life extension tech becomes copium. They already have more time than they need but can't manage it so extending their lives is totally worthless.

        The nature of existence requires that our lifespans be limited because we're running on borrowed time and energy. When a wave arises it crests and then falls, returning to the body of water it arose from.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah but you literally have to be insane to have any ideology overwrite your inherent fear of death. I guarantee if someone broke into your house and pointed a gun at you you would be terrified. Also you just could be completely wrong and then your ideology turns into copium

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you literally have to be insane to have any ideology overwrite your inherent fear of death
            I would argue that you have to be insane to live in excessive fear of something that's inevitable. Wanting to live forever in a temporary vessel is not healthy.

            It's like loving your car so much that you stay inside of it until it's full of feces and taco bell wrappers and you're dying from skin lesions because you haven't bathed in a year. Seeking immediate death by wrapping your car around a telephone pole because you couldn't see an alternative is equally unhealthy and unproductive. Being suicidal and wanting to be immortal are both are signs of emotional immaturity.

            >I guarantee if someone broke into your house and pointed a gun at you you would be terrified
            This has happened to me on the street, not at home but I was pretty clam. He was disappointed that I had nothing worth stealing and left lol

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >brain upload
    moronic. At best, this is cloning, not immortality.
    >lab-grown organs
    We still don't have (and probably won't ever have) the technology to enable perfect transplantation, so this is presently irrelevant to the achievement of immortality.
    >blood injections from young people
    The beast is demonic in nature.
    >Mechanical transplantations
    Irrelevant to immortality. Once your brain or vital organs are done for, it's over. Doesn't matter how much of a cyborg you are.
    >Anti-aging pills
    >Gene therapy
    Most promising ones here, but I don't expect anything to result from these.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >We still don't have (and probably won't ever have) the technology to enable perfect transplantation, so this is presently irrelevant to the achievement of immortality.
      We have had perfect transplantation of self-organs forever. The problem is transplanting non-self objects.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Transplant rejection isn't the only thing I'm referring to. There's also the fact that heart transplantation requires the destruction of the nervous connection between the host and the transplant.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Er, I worded this strangely: I mean the destruction of the nerves that would connect the host to the transplant if the transplant was perfect.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >brain upload
      >moronic
      true
      >lab-grown organs
      >We still don't have (and probably won't ever have) the technology to enable perfect transplantation, so this is presently irrelevant to the achievement of immortality.
      You are pretty damn wrong about this. Yes, we can't perfectly recreate human organs but growing immunologically modified human compatible organs in pigs can literally be done and we're in the early stages of implementation. Some dude survived on an actual fricking pig heart for two weeks. This unironically has the most promise for human life extension out of anything once we have livers figured out.
      >Mechanical transplantations
      >Irrelevant to immortality. Once your brain or vital organs are done for, it's over. Doesn't matter how much of a cyborg you are.
      Not true, simply having damaged organs that have aged is bad for the rest of your organs. Replacing things early on could very well extend lifespan. I think the real issue is that II think pig organs and 3d printing are more promising than full cyborg shit
      >Anti-aging pills
      >Gene therapy
      >Most promising ones here, but I don't expect anything to result from these.
      Unironically I would say these are the least promising in the short term at least, as someone who works on these. You can try taking metformin or various supplements that have been found to extend mouse lifespan and see how they make you feel though. I doubt they're harmful at the recommended doses.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like the AI path. normies will commit sudoku thinking they are being upoadedbi to the cloud.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To those arguing whether you'd like to live longer, or die sooner:
    Imagine life as a tortoise. Simple, rudimentary brain, simple, rudimentary life. What's another 100 years? What's 100 less? The tortoise does not care.
    Imagine life as a rat. Everything is terrifying, you're always on the brink of survival, yet you have the brains and limbs to create something bigger than yourself - a nest. Would you like more time, to build a bigger and better nest, or is the outside world too traumatizing?
    Imagine life as a dog or dolphin. Smart, quick thinking, near the top of the food chain. You've spent all your energy on forming deep, complex, meaningful social bonds. But, would you like to do so for a other year? Another decade? Making and breaking bonds like a factory, until they're all the same?
    Imagine life as a human. Able to comprehend all of this, form extremely complex social structures and invent anything imaginable. What makes the continuation of your life so meaningless to you? For some, it might be their big nest egg, for others, the inherent inability to maintain more than a few significant social bonds, and for others, the lack of capacity to achieve their wishes. What makes it meaningful in the first place? To provide for the world? To create memories with loved ones? To fulfill your existential purpose?

    Give up now if you cannot answer.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What makes the continuation of your life so meaningless to you?
      >What makes it meaningful in the first place?
      Observation is what makes life meaningful. Life should really come with a big red "FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY" sticker on the front.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Observation is broad, anon. Do you still observe the color of your coffee, it's bitter taste, how it makes you feel, how it integrates with your workday, the physical toll it takes, or the meaning it has had in your life? Once you've observed all of those, what is left to observe about coffee? Repeat ad infinitum for the rest of material reality.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Do you still observe the color of your coffee, it's bitter taste, how it makes you feel, how it integrates with your workday, the physical toll it takes, or the meaning it has had in your life? Once you've observed all of those, what is left to observe about coffee?
          Is coffee good for you?

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gene therapy or replacing parts with mechanical parts are the only ones that will be viable and effective. Uploading your brain isn't even immortality.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why pour billions into something you would have to be born into to live longer

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what the frick, why do i want to live longer

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I know, people here are one of the main reason not to want to live longer.
      If you can do something with them, then I would stick around.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Brain uploading is as much immortality as you are the same person waking up each day as the night before. That is, it is.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Quantum scale, you can't make something outside of itself, or it would split apart.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Brain upload is a meme. At best, you're merely creating a copy of yourself.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not even a copy of yourself, best case scenario, you just make a copy of your memories and personality, a copy a program may read, and interpret/translate into something when asked, but as far as "you" goes, you're long gone. What got copied is just data, a glorified interactive photo album, not an actual living decision making thing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not even a copy of yourself, best case scenario, you just make a copy of your memories and personality, a copy a program may read, and interpret/translate into something when asked, but as far as "you" goes, you're long gone. What got copied is just data, a glorified interactive photo album, not an actual living decision making thing.

      Holy cope, new age christ-cucks
      You are just data implemented in a meat substrate
      Cry and scream all you like, that's a fact

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Here's news for you, meat bot: data is not a thing, it's just a word to refer to culturally noteworthy patterns in things we have built decoders for. Further, "your data" is redundant, so you don't need any personal immortality. Indeed, you don't need to live whatsoever. At any point in time, there are millions of meat machines implementing computations insubstantially different from your smug moronation. You are immortal by default, by virtue of being generic, so forcing this body "of yours" into a woodchipper will not destroy anything of value.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >tangentially knows what data is (thinks it has something to do with culture)
          >unable to apply the concept practically
          >calls others morons
          lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Data is a matter of culture, and you are unironically a moron. You juggle dictionary definitions and check them for pattern matches, instead of trying to consider what I have said abstractly. I bet you imagine yourself a materialist too, while espousing this Platonist nonsense. Your "we are data lel" new atheist take is much closer to christcuck belief in immaterial souls than the grug-brained "I'm me brain". You can't even simultaneously consider and distinguish first-person and third-person perspective, because on top of being a moron you are a natural-born tool, NPC without first-person perspective; you think that so long as there exists another object with the same data content, so that external users can inference you interchangeably, "you" in some sense continue exist, irrespective of causality of this specific meat machine. Meanwhile the ontology implied here, taken seriously, makes an instantiated machine redundant, but – again, being a moron – you don't see it.

            That's okay though. More resources for me and mine.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            dress up your moronation with as many words as you like, it's still obvious
            data is information that exists within a context
            you lack the self awareness, wisdom and perception to understand the extent of that statement though, so I expect continued seething

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > data is information that exists within a context
            Information is not a thing.

            Why would you get to experience multiple perspectives as an individual? Each you would have a unique experience though.

            Do you cry and lament the death of yesterday's you when you awaken? How about the "you" of 5 seconds ago who forgot some insubstantial thing in place of something new? What if the perceptive difference of each copy is even smaller than that?

            > Each you
            Literally the perspective of a tool. If there's no internal perspective, the only thing that matters is behavioral similarity.

            > the death of yesterday's you when you awaken? How about the "you" of 5 seconds ago
            Derealized moron, just because you can stipulate separate snapshots in time (leveraging your video game experience) does not mean that physical things do not exist continuously.

            I am not "data" (because it's not a thing), I am literally a thing, a body. Questions about me from 5 seconds ago are meaningless. Your entire ontology is borked, non-physical nonsense confusing map and territory, descriptions (and operations over descriptions, and real vs conceivable operations) and entities.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Information is not a thing.
            it is, often quantified as bits
            >If there's no internal perspective
            there is, or the instantiated instance isn't a copy
            >I am not "data"
            you are, quite literally. You are not your brain, but the information instantiated within its processes
            >does not mean that physical things do not exist continuously
            has no relevance (you bring it up because you fundamentally don't understand what I or you are talking about); and the continuity could exist in a data transfer, and doesn't exist when you wake up each day. So start mourning yesterdays you I guess, if that's literally your only metric for describing (you)
            >I am literally a thing, a body
            Hilariously wrong, this is the level of understanding a child has. We could play the fun game where we chop of parts of a person until they're just a brain in a jar, gradually replace neurons, make copies, etc, but you'd probably start crying and shitting and say it doesn't count because it hurts your feelings so I'm not going to bother.
            >Ontology
            ESL or moron, take your bets
            The structure by which I build my arguments is grounded soundly in very simple ideas, and you who's axioms start and end with your feelings is saying there's issues with my "ontology". It's really funny.

            I can't tell if you're 12 years old or a 70 IQ webdev, but either way you have the insight of a toddler

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Data is a matter of culture
            Indeed

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >atheistgay chimes in
        What exactly are you arguing? That if your data were perfectly copied ten times to different hardware, you'd get the experience of simultaneously existing in ten places? Doesn't work like that, obviously. Your conciousness requres more than just data; there has to be some conitunation of conciousness for you to survive.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why would you get to experience multiple perspectives as an individual? Each you would have a unique experience though.

          Do you cry and lament the death of yesterday's you when you awaken? How about the "you" of 5 seconds ago who forgot some insubstantial thing in place of something new? What if the perceptive difference of each copy is even smaller than that?

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lab grown organs most likely
    You'd have to be an idiot to think that it'd be easier to upload your brain than to transplant your brain into a new body. And when the organs are grown from your own DNA you don't run into the normal issues that come from organ transplants

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The trouble with that is that the brain degrades too.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone remembers a few years ago a Russian scientist was going to transplant a human brain on to another body? Like the brain donor was a guy who was tetraplegic or something and the body donor was a brain dead guy (obviously).

    What ever came out of this?

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    http://www.exitmundi.nl/suicide.htm

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >thinking the flash realm is worth staying in forever
    >not being aware of your spirit
    you gays are so gay.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Upload brain
    >Forget to renew Amazon Prime Brain subscription
    >Die

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >upload brain to linus-approved OSS spirit platform
      >try to install a music player
      >four hours of trawling forums for increasingly esoteric error codes
      >find what’s supposed to fix it
      >segmentation fault: soul dumped

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People itt are getting to philosophical. Ultimately all that will happen is that you're going to be tired of having joint pain and being tired all the time so you will take the reverse aging pill so you don't feel that way anymore.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There a really good short story called “The Gentle Seduction” with that as the premise. Basically a woman lives a normal life with sort of apathy/skepticism towards technology, then lets in one or two things that help when she’s getting old, then one or two more, and by the end she’s basically beyond the concept of a human being and a respected member of this post-reality thing. It isn’t presented as a cautionary tale though, quite the opposite in a novel way. I normally dislike scifi but it’s good as literature even separate from that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ultimately all that will happen is that you're going to be tired of having joint pain and being tired all the time so you will take the reverse aging pill so you don't feel that way anymore.
      Weird worldview but okay.

      Not everyone is led around on the "muh feelz" leash. I'm currently taking a medication for nerve damage that causes me immense pain but also helps unblock some unknown things so that I can feel more in general. If I'm numb I can't figure out which parts of me need additional medical attention. Pain is good and you're supposed to feel it, but you wouldn't know that unless you stopped feeling most sensations altogether.

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