Which programming language should be the next step after Python?

Which programming language should be the next step after Python?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Go
    >C++ (make sure to get some assembly knowledge too)
    >some functional lang
    Nothing more will ever be needed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no C

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unemployable larper

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you forgot about prolog

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    First you have to unlearn Python.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The python seethe on this board is so moronic
      I'm 100% certain that if python was relatively unpopular, the contrarian morons here would love it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IQfy shilled Python in the 2010s

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know, that proves my point. This board started hating python when it started to become ubiquitous
          Before it became the #1 programming language, IQfy loved recommending python to beginners and for scripting

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >IQfy is one person

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            people who can actually program dont waste time on IQfy

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You got some things confused there. People who can actually program do it for fun, not because they're employed.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It is real.
          https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/43204285/#q43204774

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nope, python is just a moronic language and everyone that "likes" it, is forced to use it at work or something.
        No one with a clear healthy mind looks at python and thinks "hell yeah, lets write a program in it!!!".
        Its ridiculous, and ON TOP OF THAT, it's slow and the tooling is garbage.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's slow
          Tell me why this matters unless you're doing systems or embedded programming, games, or extremely high performance computing.
          Python is fast enough for the overwhelming majority of use cases, and for other cases, you'd be moronic to consider anything else than C or C++ anyway.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm forced to use it at work and I hate it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Python is my favorite language. It is a pleasure to write.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >slow
          Real python users know that you can just offload the expensive parts of your code to C for faster speed. Python's ability to do that is honestly underrated.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Real python users know that you can just offload the expensive parts of your code to C for faster speed
            It's faster than the garbage Python runs on, sure - but a lot of compiler-generated code is garbage.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he uses -O0

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, dumbass. That is code that is only used for the slowest and rarest of three branches, but because compilers are moronic they generate a common stack prologue at the beginning of a function *for all branches*. Which also means that the equivalent epilogue is generated in all three branches as well - even with -O3.

            The only way to avoid this is to put the slowest branch into its own function (yielding you another jump and code fragmentation, but at least it avoids slowing down the two faster branches).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          C and Python used to be very popular around here ten years ago. There was also a wave of interest in Haskell for a couple of years which I freely admit to pushing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          exactly, my workplace was perfectly using perl and c++ then they fricking went to python during tech upgrade. then they hired python devs and left me in the dust because I cant python. I'm a level 4 and the level 1s bully me into doing intern shit because they know I don't know how to write python....

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Something about it rubs me the wrong way. Enough for me to look for a Lua alternative the second I find a Python-based project

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lua is a great language with a clearly defined (and quite narrow) purpose. Whenever I see someone who's used it as the internal scripting language for a larger project, I think "these people make sensible decisions".

          Python is "batteries included", though -and they mean it. It's slowly turning into C++.

          tl;dr they have very different use cases

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Lua
            Roblox kid language

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, it's also used for Factorio. I don't know why though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's just meant to be an internal scripting language, not a full-featured, general-purpose programming language. It's mainly designed for a small, salient feature set and clean C interop.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Data science and ML has turned Python into a clusterfrick. It's still quick and easy and convenient but it's just massive now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Almost no one here actually writes software and most of the subhumans giving advice have never programmed at all. G is almost entirely severely delusional roleplayers who repeat talking points like

        >Go
        >C++ (make sure to get some assembly knowledge too)
        >some functional lang
        Nothing more will ever be needed.

        . It's honestly horrific how bad it's gotten, none of these "people" should be allowed to use computers.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Almost no one here actually writes software
          Why are you projecting?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I said "almost" Black person. And I only write corposhit these days, unfortunately.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe I'm just living in a bubble, but I was under the impression that at least a good chunk of IQfy was competent in at least one programming language?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If competent means "can copy and paste hello world then mimic social cues and parrot talking points" then yes. But the vast majority of shit I see posted on here is clearly from people who don't actually do anything. Tons and tons of moronic students who should never have been accepted into a cs program.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you're saying it's even worse than picrel?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. What we have is the third generation of people who can't do fricking ANYTHING without a step by step tutorial that they can copy paste duplicating the form of the bottom of that picture. They can't even make a shitty unoptimized 48mb web app, all they can do is imitate and perform social rituals (DUUUUHHHH USE X Y IS BLOAT)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Case in point:

            giving up. if you only know python you don't know how to program.

            This Black person isn't even trolling, he's just such a self-unaware piece of shit that he thinks this is how competent people act and think. Dumb Black person can't even capitalize and he thinks he knows enough to unilaterally condemn one of the most popular and productive languages of the world because it doesn't contain what few random irrelevant details (no le int(string[] args), vgh...) he managed to retain from his 6th attempt at learning how to program in C++ (like BASED REAL AND TRUE devs do). Same kind of moron that screams and cries about having to take calculus to get a bachelor's in CS because "UHHH YOU DON'T NEED MATH TO WRITE HELLO WORLD???"

            And it's not that they're ignorant, everyone is to some degree. It's the insane narcissistic overcompensation that makes them so reprehensible.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >can't even capitalize
            u mad homosexual? your python dev job is not a real job, you're a fraud.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Have fun in the job market when you graduate in 6 years

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            true enough. python was created in 1991. back then no one even knew what a monad was

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >productive
            Did you know that Perl is faster? https://www.fiverr.com/resources/guides/programming-tech/python-vs-perl

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but is it web scale and for kick ass rock star devs?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but is it web scale
            I don't know what that means, but there's an FCGI module for fast dynamic web delivery: https://metacpan.org/pod/FCGI
            And the ERP system that I wrote with it was so fast that the warehouse workers asked me to insert a delay into the processor because the scanners would sometimes process the same thing twice.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was joking and referencing that old gar1t video about node.js. I thought you were a zoomer larping as a boomer.
            >And the ERP system that I wrote with it was so fast that the warehouse workers asked me to insert a delay into the processor because the scanners would sometimes process the same thing twice
            It didn't mark skus or whatever as processed then ignore them on subsequent calls?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I thought you were a zoomer larping as a boomer.
            No, I'm a millennial trained by boomers.

            >It didn't mark skus or whatever as processed then ignore them on subsequent calls?
            Not on that particular call, which was an actual feature. The idea was that a worker would first scan the code of the box in which a batch of articles would go, and then scan all the articles for that box. Sometimes the system was so fast - over Wifi, mind you - that the same article would be processed twice.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Did you script an existing erp or write a new one from scratch? It'd be interesting if you could elaborate. I was thinking about learning perl for a similar application

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Completely wrote it from scratch.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How was your experience with it and why did you pick Perl as your tool? It's ok if you don't want to discuss any of it. Perhaps someone can share some advice. I wasted my best years working in warehouses and was thinking about stepping into IT after a work-related injury. Problem is that field is huge as is and confusing and the people talking about things without knowledge make it harder to navigate. So far I came to the conclusion that:
            The old school stuff like C and especially Unix is intriguing but seems more of a tinkering hobby thing, there is no time for that.
            Javascript I don't want to hate but the webdev culture is off-putting and all the platforms and extra tools needed are intimidating.
            Scripting can be useful if you can't handle real dev work and advanced math. Python is the go to but that's presumably because of all the libraries and tools related to data science. Doing analytics for rich people as a job also requires a businessman perspective which I also lack. AI stuff would filter me before even trying.
            Perl seems more geared towards sys admin and doesn't require you to study and download a bunch of stuff to get things done.
            My current employer doesn't want to invest in erp because the current way just works and doesn't need to be monitored by it professionals. This is why poster

            >but is it web scale
            I don't know what that means, but there's an FCGI module for fast dynamic web delivery: https://metacpan.org/pod/FCGI
            And the ERP system that I wrote with it was so fast that the warehouse workers asked me to insert a delay into the processor because the scanners would sometimes process the same thing twice.

            peeked my interest. Not sure if it would be feasible though

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because we needed something fast now. It began with scripts that would generate invoices and shipping labels, downloaded them into an archive, and sent them to printers - the generation was done in a shop made by Pajeets that had absolutely no fricking clue what they were doing, and it showed, because things were only working half the time without proper error message or anything.

            I then started implementing our own shipping label interfaces - one for DHL Paket, one for Express, because management wasn't smart enough to realize that the former supported international shipping as well, and the latter was always set to Express Worldwide, not Economy Select (affected shipping costs). I would actually download the source code of the shop modules and implement their functionality in Perl code running on my local machine, which improved throughput by about a hundred times. No, I'm not kidding. Not only was the shop miserably slow, but it also only ever uploaded information for one order, not for 30, as DHL's API supported.

            The product management stuff was initially done because we had made a deal with DHL: fulfillment would be done by them, all our articles would be hosted at their warehouses, and we'd just have to upload the order data to them. Huge mistake. Articles went missing, orders weren't shipped, support was incompetent, the works. We took the articles back, but now we already had a product management system that supported reading barcodes, so why wouldn't we expand upon that functionality and come up with our own ERP?

            It was all very evolutional. We needed something, so I added that functionality piecemeal. No one sat down and said: "this is how it's gonna look like one day". Also all the code was written by me. Literally everything. I had no dev team or anything under me. I dunno how most places would've classified me, considering I was only 27 at that time.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In the end the company went broke because management was a bunch of clowns without clown car. They wanted to act all international and stuff and as such separated warehouse and office buildings. Then Corona struck, demand went through the shitter, business deals went flag, and suppliers (mostly from China and the Middle East) didn't make good on article deliveries, so we had like two thousand orders we couldn't fulfill.

            In the end the dumbasses decided to completely replace my system with some commercial ERP system that required more than eight times the processing power of my system as well as some external support. $500 base costs per month, and every single fricking change on a system for which we didn't have the source code would have to be done by an external suppler who charged us through the nose. That was pretty much the end of it, and I filed my notice. It would later turn out that management formatted the machines with the source code, databases, and several backups.

            Ever since then I've been out of work. I don't really feel like working for morons anymore.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ... I'm gonna add one little tidbit, just in case anyone's interested:
            About the only thing that I had planned out from the very beginning was UTF-8 support. Every single scalar in Perl has an internal flag that specifies if said scalar is supposed to be seen as UTF-8 or as ISO 8859-1 (a.k.a. latin1).

            use Encode qw(_utf8_off _utf8_on);
            binmode(STDOUT,':utf8');

            my $d = 'Ä';
            _utf8_off($d);
            $d = lc($d);
            print "$dn"; # Prints "Ä" because lc failed, because the internal UTF-8 flag wasn't set.

            _utf8_on($d);
            $d = lc($d);
            printf "$dn"; # Prints "ä" because lc was successful this time.

            Anyway, when I first launched the ERP system I noticed that special characters were broken, and I didn't know why. Content-Type's charset was set to utf8, and the scripts themselves also all delivered UTF-8 data, naturally with the internal UTF-8 flag set.

            Then I put the string "文字化け" (Japanese for Mojibake, the term for whenever characters get garbled due to faulty character encodings) as a comment into the site, and all of a sudden the other special characters worked. Confused already?

            Then I noticed that the HTTP server logged a warning that I don't remember anymore, but it had something to do with non-latin1 characters being detected in the stream, thus rendering the conversion invalid.

            Care to guess what the issue was? Because it took me some time to figure it out. Stop reading if you want to guess now.

            Alright, here's the solution: plenty of Perl modules - for whatever reason, don't ask me why - check if a string that has been passed with the UTF-8 flag set, and if so, *perform a conversion of the string into latin1*. The special characters mentioned at the beginning were in latin1. "文字化け" was not, so the conversion "failed", and thus all characters were appearing correctly on the site. The solution was to make sure that the UTF-8 flag was off DESPITE the scalars being printed being perfectly valid UTF-8.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            perl's utf8 handling is the absolute worst.
            no UTF8 flag and forcing the user to pass correctly encoded strings to library functions as per the specific library's documentation (aka no support, manage your own bytes) would have been better

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In the end the company went broke because management was a bunch of clowns without clown car. They wanted to act all international and stuff and as such separated warehouse and office buildings. Then Corona struck, demand went through the shitter, business deals went flag, and suppliers (mostly from China and the Middle East) didn't make good on article deliveries, so we had like two thousand orders we couldn't fulfill.

            In the end the dumbasses decided to completely replace my system with some commercial ERP system that required more than eight times the processing power of my system as well as some external support. $500 base costs per month, and every single fricking change on a system for which we didn't have the source code would have to be done by an external suppler who charged us through the nose. That was pretty much the end of it, and I filed my notice. It would later turn out that management formatted the machines with the source code, databases, and several backups.

            Ever since then I've been out of work. I don't really feel like working for morons anymore.

            Thanks anon. I guess when the owners or founder of a business isn't directly involved, the managers mostly just keep the circus going by increasing or maintaining the perceived value of the company to not lose investors or key partners. That and have some "awesome" projects to their name for the linkedin profile. That's why they need to attend leadership courses multiple times a year.
            I encourage you to keep striving for the better even if the world is ending. May The most merciful bless you and your family with a long life and guide you to His Mercy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I encourage you to keep striving for the better even if the world is ending.
            Oh, I sure do, but only for my better. Everyone else can do die in a fire for all I care, I'm done with the world.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I feel you, if it wasn't for the threat of burning eternally I'd be done too. Also the way life is set up it's impossible to find inner peace by cutting off everyone else.https://youtube.com/shorts/60eQhO6XiZo?feature=shared
            Also, aww you don't mean that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And I know you don't mean it because you wrote a detailed reply. I appreciate it man

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Completely wrote it from scratch.

            Because we needed something fast now. It began with scripts that would generate invoices and shipping labels, downloaded them into an archive, and sent them to printers - the generation was done in a shop made by Pajeets that had absolutely no fricking clue what they were doing, and it showed, because things were only working half the time without proper error message or anything.

            I then started implementing our own shipping label interfaces - one for DHL Paket, one for Express, because management wasn't smart enough to realize that the former supported international shipping as well, and the latter was always set to Express Worldwide, not Economy Select (affected shipping costs). I would actually download the source code of the shop modules and implement their functionality in Perl code running on my local machine, which improved throughput by about a hundred times. No, I'm not kidding. Not only was the shop miserably slow, but it also only ever uploaded information for one order, not for 30, as DHL's API supported.

            The product management stuff was initially done because we had made a deal with DHL: fulfillment would be done by them, all our articles would be hosted at their warehouses, and we'd just have to upload the order data to them. Huge mistake. Articles went missing, orders weren't shipped, support was incompetent, the works. We took the articles back, but now we already had a product management system that supported reading barcodes, so why wouldn't we expand upon that functionality and come up with our own ERP?

            It was all very evolutional. We needed something, so I added that functionality piecemeal. No one sat down and said: "this is how it's gonna look like one day". Also all the code was written by me. Literally everything. I had no dev team or anything under me. I dunno how most places would've classified me, considering I was only 27 at that time.

            In the end the company went broke because management was a bunch of clowns without clown car. They wanted to act all international and stuff and as such separated warehouse and office buildings. Then Corona struck, demand went through the shitter, business deals went flag, and suppliers (mostly from China and the Middle East) didn't make good on article deliveries, so we had like two thousand orders we couldn't fulfill.

            In the end the dumbasses decided to completely replace my system with some commercial ERP system that required more than eight times the processing power of my system as well as some external support. $500 base costs per month, and every single fricking change on a system for which we didn't have the source code would have to be done by an external suppler who charged us through the nose. That was pretty much the end of it, and I filed my notice. It would later turn out that management formatted the machines with the source code, databases, and several backups.

            Ever since then I've been out of work. I don't really feel like working for morons anymore.

            This is wild! Thank you for sharing.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Which languages would you recommend?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Any of the big ones are fine. Actually using them is more important than any of their differences. Some of the more "intellectual" ones have nice features others don't but they're all fine really. I wouldn't recommend C++ unless you really need to use it though, and keep in mind that Go is much more like Java than it is like C++ or C. Also, I like Erlang.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the more "intellectual" ones
            Which are you referring to?
            >I wouldn't recommend C++
            Why? What about C or Rust?
            >Go is much more like Java
            That's strange, everyone says it's like a modern take on C.
            >I like Erlang
            What's nice about it?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That's strange, everyone says it's like a modern take on C.
            "Modern" doesn't mean "better", see garbage collection.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Which are you referring to?
            Haskell, Rust, Applied Type System
            >Why? What about C
            Poor, fragmented tooling, extreme feature bloat and fragmentation. Those are both extremely discouraging/misleading things to deal with when someone is just starting out and objective wastes of time. Same applies to C other than feature bloat (for the most part) but other than a learning experience or for maintaining older software there's not much point in learning it.
            >Or Rust?
            I don't know much about rust but have heard only good things (from qualified people, specifically) other than the constant community drama and steepish learning curve. Rust isn't good for beginners at least, prodigies notwithstanding.
            >That's strange, everyone says it's like a modern take on C.
            Because they're fricking moronic. I actually really enjoy using Go but that's because it's basically a toy language for interns (one of the creators literally said this). It's garbage collected (which isn't bad, but puts it firmly outside the camp of systems programming), has an extremely simplistic type system, and is full of weird design decisions that just punt complexity forward in time to the point you need to do something complex which is then a massive pain in the ass because you have to work around the designer's shortcuts. It's not a horrible language but it is not better than any of the other big ones (althoigh when it came out it was fje first to include some amazing innovative features like an integrated paxkage manager and formatter) unless you prioritize C-syntax fetishism over bring productive.
            >What's nice about it [erlang]?
            The concurrency/reliability model and framework is the absolute best way to build reliable distributed internet software and it doesn't really exist anywhere else. That's basically it, the syntax is super ugly (to most people anyway, I like it) and the ecosystem isn't huge. Also the way you can do declarative functional programming with pattern matching is beautiful.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Apologies for typos. Currently phone posting and eating at work.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean you're pretty much saying that it's all shit across the board, so what should people interested in systems programming, gamedev or performance learn if both C and C++ are not good?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >so what should people interested in systems programming, gamedev or performance learn if both C and C++ are not good?
            If that's what you're interested in specifically then yes learn C++ if you have a need for it and/or don't want to learn Rust. But if you're just starting out programming there's no reason to waste time dealing with the complexity that comes with those fields. In terms of paid work almost everything is data-shuffling (python land) or web development (which IS real programming, certainly more so than 100 line command line toys) these days.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if you're just starting out programming there's no reason to waste time dealing with the complexity that comes with those fields
            Understanding lower level concepts is fundamental to being a good programmer though

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then get TaOCP and go through it, doing all the exercises using his assembly language and the associated emulator. If you mean "you need to be familiar with x86_64 and C peculiarities in order to contribute to the Linux kernel" then I 100% agree, but that isn't what you said.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >get TaOCP and go through it,
            I don't even think there is one person alive who has actually done this.
            What I meant was that at some point it's good to understand what higher level abstractions actually mean under the hood in order to write good and efficient code. For example, you can't really understand when to use linked lists instead of arrays if you don't understand what a pointer and what random and sequential access means.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            based BEAM chad, having a job doing comfy BEAM is my career end goal.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Same. I'm putting my all of (diminishing) autism energy into getting to that point.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            do you see erlang/BEAM-bros rising up any time soon? in my country it's dead af

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Elixir is slowly catching on but there's hardly any jobs for it. Also it's made BEAM programming almost too accessible so there's a risk of morons taking things over too much and generating tarded spaghetti code that does not use OTP correctly which will then make everyone look bad and turn businesses away. But I mean, whatsapp and discord are both mostly built on BEAM languages and probably account for a large minority of all human communication in the world. That's already very impressive.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >elixir catching on
            that's what i'm banking on, actually trying out Phoenix LiveView right now. surely the biggest selling point of BEAM is that once you opt in you no longer need any other third party things like redis, pub/sub. im not sure how people have not caught on to this fact.
            i think the biggest problem is that the use case for BEAM (high concurrency, highly distributed, fault tolerance, live application) is difficult to harness properly. or maybe we just need more advocates?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >surely the biggest selling point of BEAM is that once you opt in you no longer need any other third party things like redis, pub/sub
            That is indeed a huge benefit but not 100% true. Distributed erlang can be tricky and you can't securely use it over the public internet (last I checked). And there's maybe some utility in using external tools in some situations, but yeah I can't really imagine a greenfield situation where you'd need redis. I usually describe OTP as "modern distributed/cloud tools, but built into the runtime."
            > is difficult to harness properly. or maybe we just need more advocates?
            I think you're somewhat correct on both points. Most of the elixir books I've read haven't spent a lot of time going in to depth on how to use OTP in big systems, and tend to gloss over erlang in ways that I think are bad. The pragprog elixir/otp architecture book had some interesting ideas but was not super high quality in my opinion. But in general elixir documentation is amazing.

            It'll be interesting to see how the type system work goes as well. Discriminated unions are an increasingly popular construct and if we get something analogous in elixir it'll boost popularity further.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am only just learning erlang but it feels like OTP is just not worth it for anything other than running your national phone grid network or whatever. It's just too complex and tedious, literally the systemd of programming languages

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How long have you worked in the industry? It's absolutely worth it, just hard to see until you experience the disaster of a system designed by ad-hoc distribution or microservices.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            People often say you shouldn't learn Rust unless you're already reasonably competent with C++. In that sense, it's not good for beginners.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What we have is the third generation of people who can't do fricking ANYTHING
            So what happened? Feels like people 'teach' each other less, so knowledge and mastery is gone. You don't see mentors anymore like society used to have.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that meme is so old it could have be graduating with a degree in cs this year

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can post new stuff if you like.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Tons and tons of moronic students who should never have been accepted into a cs program.
            Says the python shiller lmao

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unemployable larper

          Go and C++ are actually used in the real world though, what's the problem?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >G

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's because most people, haters or lovers of python, still don't understand it's purpose or scritpt languages in general and almost always end up misusing it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah no one in their right mind could possibly object to white space rules and weak typing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >split between 2 and 3
        >packages and shit don't compile on ARM, not sure why that's even needed since the whole fricking thing about python is it's supposed to be interpreted and able to run everywhere
        >dogshit performance
        >fake multithreading
        >default shit like the http file server just fricking shit itself and you need to send an interrupt, it dumps a stack trace and then starts working again, because it's fricking shit like everything else in python
        There's probably a lot more.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Python is great. And it's getting a JIT soon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this

      The python seethe on this board is so moronic
      I'm 100% certain that if python was relatively unpopular, the contrarian morons here would love it

      the thing with python is that it teaches you nothing about programming, it's like learning excel and thinking it will be a good enough baee for becoming a programmer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I used to, and still want to be, a better programmer.
        Once I got into the workforce, though, I discovered that being able to shit out a prototype and iterate on it as fast as possible is the way to go.
        No one cares about how efficient and clean your software is when it has no users. Mind you I wrote some of the buggiest most nightmarish piece of shit interfaces known to man. I went a weekend without looking at my code and couldn't tell wtf half of it was doing one time.

        But that app is still getting used to this day, and I got paid big bucks for it...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is correct and the best way to use python, but being a better programmer will make you write better programs quickly.
          you cannot get better if you don't understand why things behave the way they are and what underlying technology it is built on, and you'll never be able to understand design tradeoffs if you are only using an abstraction like python

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it teaches you nothing about programming
        Programming is not language-dependent.
        composingprograms.com is one of the best programming courses around and uses Python

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i couldn't imagine learning python as a first language its syntax is fricking gross and the way it tries to be super simple makes things annoying ontop of that its type hinting is moronic and it should just have proper types instead of making any variable be able to be anything. i had to use it at my last job for backend. python works okay and i use it for small scripts i wanna make fast but its disgusting even if the right tool for the job sometimes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The type system works well enough when you annotate everything and check it with mypy. Maybe skill issue moiboi

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it works but its not nice because the types aren't enforced its all for show

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It actually helps catch a lot of bugs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love python syntax. I hate types so much it is unreal.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Common Lisp because Python is very similar to Lisp. Variables, classes, assignment, and arrays work the same way.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Many languages are influenced by lisp
      But if you're gonna learn a lisp, learn scheme/racket

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >1995, 18yo
    that image is 11years old... ... ...
    and I wanna learn Ruby so much right now

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i just know you failed math class

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wait.. i just understood what you meant. it's me who failed english class

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wasted quads

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    English

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. I just use my text editor with english instructions on code with comments and it prints out any code I want in any language

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    C# because you can do so many things with it including webshitter stuff with blazor

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Microsoft is shit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t. React Zuckerberg wiener sucking homosexual

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How does Bill Gates' cum taste, b***h?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Frick React, Node.js and other gay JS shit thoughever

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. I hate both webshit and Microsoft.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Scala

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Js or c#

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all you need is python and c/c++

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    COBOL

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    C++

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I want to get a job
    Javascript

    >I mean a real job
    C#

    >I want to be a better programmer
    C

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >C# job
      Just learn C++ instead of Microsoft Java

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fortran

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ladder and FORTRAN

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    giving up. if you only know python you don't know how to program.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None AI is going to be doing all programming sooner or later 2 more weeks

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The amount of idiocy on IQfy is unreal.
    80% of you are unemployed so why do you care ? Rest is like some junior level that will get his ass replaced by AI because your job is so easy that mentally moronic kid probably could do it and for the small amount of percentage that is actually higher you will get replaced by some CIS woman or some DEI bullshit creature... learn welding, forget programming and if you are not doing it for yourself as a hobby forget it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >projecting this hard
      Stay in your lane pajeet

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Says Black person.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >by usage
    frick python
    marry C++
    kill javascript
    >by appearance
    frick R
    marry C
    kill Perl

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alright gays which languages should I learn in current year if I want to actually do useful stuff?
    I'm not interested in web dev, nor in the .NET ecosystem.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What type of programming are you doing? If you're outside the web ecosystem you can't go wrong with learning C and Python. They're both quite easy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >C
        Why not C++?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          C++ is mostly a superset of C so learning C by itself is usually better if you're not sure what you want to be doing. Easier to learn more to do c++ than to unlearn concepts to use C. Both are great though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm mainly interested in trying game dev as well as doing various CLI and GUI projects I've had for a while
            I've seen people recommend Go and Rust a lot, is there any point in learning those, putting aside IQfy memes and neets shilling their fav languages?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Go is a systems language like C but has garbage collection meaning you don't have to deal with memory management.

            Rust is focused on memory safety and a very strict type system that makes it not well suited to game dev. There's more rust game engines than rust games.

            Go could possibly be used for game dev a lot in future but doesn't have much of an ecosystem around.

            I'd reccomend learning c and c++ since that's the lingua franca of gamedev. There's c# too but that's mostly the unity ecosystem. I recommended doing a course on C and then trying raylib, it's quite fun. Then trying c++ to see if it's for you and maybe using stuff like unreal engine.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'll go with C then, thanks.
            >not well suited to game dev
            What is it suited for?
            >unity
            Yeah that's MS only right? That's why I don't see the point in getting into C#

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good choice. One word of advice though: avoid malloc/free.
            https://www.rfleury.com/p/untangling-lifetimes-the-arena-allocator

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Should I take some course on computer architecture or something first? From a Python background, C seems pretty low level, and I only have some cursory understanding of things like call stacks and big O, I don't know shit about how memory actually works.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not strictly necessary but going through something like cs50 doesn't hurt at all. Lower level stuff is used a lot in game dev because real time graphics is high performance so scripting languages are mostly relegated to calling libraries in more performant languages. Raylib has bindings so you can call it's library with python and write in that instead if you're more comfortable with that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://people.freebsd.org/~lstewart/articles/cpumemory.pdf
            Just keep on reading. The beginning is a little bit difficult, so just skip the shit you don't understand.

            Thank you anons, appreciate the help

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            One thing you should know in terms of performance for languages. Two types are interpreted and compiled. Computers can't execute code so it has to be turned into machine code first. Interpreted languages do this in real time so you don't have to wait to compile (scripting languages like JavaScript, Python), this comes at the cost of performance since extra processing power goes into interpreting instructions while running. Compiled languages, stuff like (C, C++) compile into executable machine code before running so programs are generally much faster.

            Two more distinctions are garbage collected and not garbage collected. This refers to memory management. C and C++ aren't garbage collected so you have to manually manage memory which can be more performant but you can also make errors. Garbage collected languages like go and c# manage memory automatically so you don't screw up but sometimes this can be slower.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I understand. As far as speed goes, benchmarks seem to usually show something along the lines of C > C++ >= Rust > C# == Go > rest, but the speed of all of these languages still seems to be vastly superior to all other languages anyway. Except Fortran I guess but nobody uses it anyway. So at which point do differences in performance matter to the point that you'd choose, say, C++ over C# for example?
            People often shit on Python for being slow but nobody does mission critical high performance stuff in Python anyway.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly, I wouldn't even call C "fast". Compilers are very bad at generating good code for vector instructions, which are ridiculously versatile if you know how to use them - which requires you to write code in assembly.

            And C++ tends to shit the bed once memory management becomes a thing, because most often you just use the STL and pray that the optimizer is able to strike. Sure, you can do good memory management with C++, but at that point just use C.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So learning assembly is necessary for performant applications?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not unless you're doing crazy performant stuff. Left side is the compiler and the right side is language.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why is Ruby so incredibly slow?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So learning assembly is necessary for performant applications?
            No, but it's necessary to get the absolute most out of a machine. C is necessary for being the reasonably fastest, and C++ is necessary if you're afraid of memory.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Python math operations are very slow. When you have to do things like physically based rendering for lighting you can't do it in pure python. You can use python to make games just fine with good performance but you will be using libraries whose functions are written in C. This is fine as long as you only wish to use premade libraries and functions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://people.freebsd.org/~lstewart/articles/cpumemory.pdf
            Just keep on reading. The beginning is a little bit difficult, so just skip the shit you don't understand.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know what your goals are but it's going to be very hard to compete in this job market without a degree and or nepotism.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What is it suited for?
            Areas where memory safety is highly critical (many modern hacks are done by exploting memory access), think low level and security applications like Operating systems and servers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Go is a systems language like C
            No moron
            https://discord.com/blog/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to-rust

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If you're outside the web ecosystem
        Python is great for web too though. The fact that's interpreted doesn't matter, because web speed bottleneck is not affected by language speed
        And it has awesome web libraries like django, flask, fastapi etc.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This. I'm a C# dev and I see more job postings for python in web than C#.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone post that image of the thread where OP said they shill python and rust and have never coded before

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Go is highly productive and underrated however it's simplicity and generic syntax means LLMs will do a great job of generating it. LLMs are hopeless with Rust though because so much reasoning has to be done at the syntax level. Same reason they can't tell you fruits that end with the letter "n". The problem is humans are also mostly hopeless with Rust.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being scared of LLM code is moronic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yet another tard take from a complete incompetent. Imagine thinking that fricking syntax dictates whether you can automate coding or not. Holy shit.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    C should be everyone's next language if they don't know it already

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If these were shitcoins, which would you buy?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Short Perl and Dart
      Long Python, Rust, Go
      I'd also buy some Ruby just because it's neat and deserves to be used more (it should've become what Python is right now)

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really it depends on what your goal is. However the one true answer is Haskell.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The quintessential NEETlang

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its too comfy for business time

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why Haskell and not Scheme/Racket if I may ask? I mean at this point there's no reason to care about popularity anyway

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because if you search those online you have to add language to find anything about them

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            because its the hardest of the useless academic languages. if you want a job, learn python

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if you want a job
            No thanks, I use IQfy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But Scheme has way better metaprogramming features. What does Haskell have that Lisps don't aside from autistically enforcing purity?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            haskell is a idempotent pure functional language. its not a lisp, afaik there is no purely functional lisp

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Be honest, will reading LYAHFGG make me a better programmer or is Haskell purely a hobby language to frick around with with absolutely no real world utility?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You wanna be a better programmer? Then learn AVX assembly. After that you'll be keenly aware of memory references and how to avoid them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Haskell is the language of the gods. By using it you will ascend to new heights.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah they say that about Lisp too: the fact is that it's just another programming language. Yeah macros are neat but people need to stop pretending it's magic
            I doubt Haskell is much different

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Yeah they say that about Lisp too
            Lisp gays speak with a lisp though. Haskell chads are just superior.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not convinced. Both Haskellgays and Lispgays are equally cultish.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Reading programming books will never make you a programmer. You have to actually write software, even if it's garbage throwaway code.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Laziness (which I'm not a fan of) and an extremely powerful type system. Learn how to Google, moron.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But Scheme has way better metaprogramming features
            Not really. Reader macros are a cute tool for embedding DSLs in your codebase, but Haskell has type-safety in its metaprogramming which is infinitely more useful.
            https://lexi-lambda.github.io/blog/2021/03/25/an-introduction-to-typeclass-metaprogramming/

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no dynamic types, more interesting to use.
            lisps are just iterating over lists, they're not fundamentally different from programming a turing machine. haskell runs on a GRM which is alien technology

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    C. I wish that had been the language I learned after Python and not Javasir.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Touching Grass

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and for the record, there is no purpose for a pure functional language other than academic research. but if you learn haskell you will gain an appreciation for rust

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    implying Python was the next step after Perl
    the next scripting language after both of them should be at least as good as Nim

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    java, python, php, C# and js my wives
    gonna add C to that collection soon

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Go for C or for Java.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Java

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where's kotlin?
    Also, programming languages are tools. You learn the one that you need for your project.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's a picture from 15 years ago

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >all of them hit the wall
      Someone should remake image with roasties

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >all of them hit the wall
      Someone should remake image with roasties

      that should tell you that a new language is desirable
      at this point a good language with zero ecosystem is better than what we have with "everything you need" in the ecosystem
      the thing is, when the ecosystem doesn't have what you need, how much time do you need to make it from scratch in the shitlang you use? how fast could the whole process be in theory?

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    for me i did
    >c, c++
    >python
    >php
    >js
    >go
    >elixir

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only correct answer you will get in this thread is this:
    Make sure you actually understand everything about Python as a programming language first, before you beginner-monkey-hop for no reason. You're trying to pick up universal programming language and computing concepts/patterns.
    Then, if nothing else, learn C, not because it is THE BEST or some tribalistic nonsense like that, but because it is one of the other grand modern general-purpose languages, and teaches you additional things Python cannot.
    The hope is to become such an effective programmer that, upon sitting down with the manual for a while, adapting to unfamiliar languages for new project requirements will be as easy as slicing toast.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >understand everything about Python as a programming language
      universal programming language and computing concepts/patterns.
      So what are you referring to, since these two seem contradictory? Language-independent things like data structures and algorithms, or rather a deep knowledge of Python's standard library and functionalities?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it [C] is one of the other [with Python] grand modern general-purpose languages,
      cringe.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No matter how much you seethe about it, it's true.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's not a matter of being booleanly right or wrong homosexual
          you imply that a lost of what we colloquially call programming languages aren't general purpose and that C and Python are remotely in the same category of PLs
          the curry is that way Wrong board

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you imply
            Nothing is implied, you're just stupid

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is very good advice
      t. Doesn't particularly like C or Python

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i wonder would anyone here be dumb enough to disagree with your statement ?

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm very surprised no one has made other programming-chans. The only other one I recall is a C++ lewd.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's others, picrel is lua-tan for instance

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is that orenjipiiru?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nice

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess. I only know about this well-known Touhou one otherwise.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    C should be a grandma in a wheelchair.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Erlang

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's with this thread's random hard on for Erlang

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It has the last 5 people on IQfy with programming jobs in it

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking love making janky shit with visual basic.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >talk about a language on IQfy
    >everyone shits on it
    Ok morons, so which languages are actually good and well designed, and why?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ok morons, so which languages are actually good and well designed, and why?
      none

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which are at the theoretical maximum of design-value? None. Which are designed well enough to do about anything in, with minimal headaches? Basically anything popular within the last 20 years. I would not recommend some -- ruby, php -- but even they aren't particularly bad. Almost every ecosystem is "good enough" at this point and most syntax differences are totally subjective. ie the screeching about adhering to c-style syntax. It's pointless.

      Nothing teaches you how to code well except writing software. Accidentally using the "wrong" language can be "corrected" in six months if it comes to that and a lot of your experience will translate over. Wasting 4 years bikeshedding and larping online instead of actually doing shit is time you will never, ever get back.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in theory Julia shouldve succeeded it
    Mojo is the next contender
    in reality nothing will replace Python, and who knows, maybe core Python will at some point do an overhaul to make Python's speed and threading issues much more tolerable

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's the comfiest, cutest programming language for backend webdev?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Assembly.
      >inb4 skill issue

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        but my brain is too small for memory management anon...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.rfleury.com/p/untangling-lifetimes-the-arena-allocator

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >https://www.rfleury.com/p/untangling-lifetimes-the-arena-allocator
            I've seen this article posted, and even read the whole thing. But I still have no idea when or why you would use something like this. I've never written a C program large enough to need malloc.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I've never written a C program large enough to need malloc.
            Multithreading. A lot of malloc implementations maintain a global state that has to be protected from concurrent execution, which is usually done via mutex. The moment you have a bunch of threads aggressively contesting a mutex is when slowdowns happen.

            A project of mine went from 8 minutes execution time (single-threaded) to 16 minutes (multi-threaded). I replaced malloc with a hugepage allocation that would have sections assigned to all threads instead, and runtime cut down to 73 seconds.

            uuuu but i dont like reading,,, i just wanna focus on whatever project im working on

            >I just wanna stumble blindly around without knowing where I'm going or what's happening around me
            Skill issue, I already said it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there's more to life than skillz anon!! i just wanna have fun, life is sooo boring and hard

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You sound like you have a diaper fetish. Just go do that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he's not having fun by obsessing over a decimal integer printing algorithm that requires a PBCD encoding over two 64-bit values, making overlapping bitshifts especially hard
            You have no business in software development.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            idk what a PBCD or a bitshift is anon but im sure you're very cool and nice!!

            You sound like you have a diaper fetish. Just go do that.

            ummm no i dont sorry anon
            weird comment

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not nice, you dingus.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            j-jerk... im gonna go back to html and css cuz of u

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good. Stay where you're replaceable by AI, not where AI will forever be too dumb to suggest a simple
            #ymm0 = data
            #ymm7 = 0x00
            #ymm8 = 0xFF80
            vpand %ymm0,%ymm8,%ymm6
            vpcmpeqw %ymm6,%ymm7,%ymm6
            vpcmpeqw %ymm6,%ymm7,%ymm6

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            uuuu but i dont like reading,,, i just wanna focus on whatever project im working on

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Actionscript

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Learning programming if you want to be a complete man:

    x86 assembly
    C
    C++
    Java
    Python
    Javascript

    With all this in your sick brain, you will be unstoppable. Think about it.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I want to get certified as capable of programming in python for employment how would I go about it? Is there a recognised body that offers accreditations if I pass a course? I want to just have it on my CV as a lot o jobs need it but I don't have professional experience with it and they usually need some proof you at least know the basics and what you're doing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How larp sers

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where Lua?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lua
      No thanks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lua
      Yes, please.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's right there in the image, it's the 0th one pictured.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Right here

      There's others, picrel is lua-tan for instance

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Java, C++, Python, Ruby, PHP, C#, shell, JavaScript, C, R
    > All useful, living langs in their own right with own ecosystems

    Visual Basic
    > Dead

    Scala
    > Java's b***h

    ActionScript
    > Dead

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      R is dead

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever you're being paid to prorgram in

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do we solve the diversity problem in Python?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a 10 year process btw

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is he only interested in mentoring white girls? What a hero.

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