Which was the greater city? Rome or Constantinople?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Constantinople was Rome, most Western Roman imperial history was fabricated by the Vatican

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Rome had the from obscurity to greatness going for it

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Neither were great, as nothing built on the back of conquest can ever be so.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      all things are built upon conquest anon, it is the nature of civilization.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Not true in the slightest. The ancients whos sparks created civilization itself did so through cooperation, commerce and culture. We live in the shadow of great men who possessed strength that has vanished from the earth. The children of these greats fell into squabble for thousands of years. Stagnation untold, petty materialism, meaningless showboating dwarfed by the achievements of our primordial ancestors. We speak of those Greats only in myth, as simple legend is tantamount to disrespect for their achievements. The first Chinese Emperor was an engineer who successfully constructed a dam before mathematics existed as a concept beyond basic intuitive arithmetic. What greatness does Rome have, which was not built upon the shoulders of giants? I see a sickly state with no greatness. Only subjugation, exploitation, degredation, conflict, resource extraction. No persuasion, only coercion. Pathetic.

        In the times of our ancestors, they slayed Leviathan themselves. Now we cry for the help of gods for their protection. What unimpressive things we were, even as far back as 3000 years ago. Perhaps, that's not even all that far back at all. Egypt's kingdom built on mutual respect and cooperation lasted double that time period. Now we clap for ourselves in an empire lasts more than a handful of years, no matter how the damn thing was built. Artistry and living have vacated our societies. It is pathetic. It is inhuman. I am filled with nothing but disgust at these LARPing demons we see fit to call "human".

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Self-hating white

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            I am a Maronite. At the time that my ancestors civilized themselves, yours were still monkeys swinging in the trees. Self hatred? During the bronze age collapse, the worst social implosion humanity has ever suffered, my forefathers thrived and built a trade empire that spanned the Mediterranean, at a time when Rome wasn't even a pimple on the ass cheek of nowhere. It would be self hatred to allow the implication that the Romans, or even the Greeks, were half the men we were. We ARE the West, but your memories and cultural metaphors don't go back that far. A pity.

            >The first Chinese Emperor was an engineer who successfully constructed a dam before mathematics existed as a concept beyond basic intuitive arithmetic.
            Dude, you do know the first Chinese emperor's claim to fame was winning the warring states period and conquering his neighbors right? This is Normies level knowledge anon don't play dumb.

            Yu the Great lived nearly 1000 years before the warring states period began, and it's Yu the Great who I refer to. His children who conquered the Eastern Peoples do not have half the greatness He did.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >I am a Maronite
            Lmao even worse a white wannabe brownoid whose claim to fame is sucking off France to differentiate themselves from the rest of the brown horde. Not going to bother with the rest of your drivel

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >whose claim to fame is sucking off France
            My ancestors left Lebanon in the 19th century, long before France had anything to do with the country. In fact, this is true for most Lebanese in the New World. It's really funny how anytime someone wishes to attack us, they always manage to immediately say some stupid shit which indicates they don't even have the most basic understanding of our history. It's actually very endearing.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >My ancestors left Lebanon in the 19th century, long before France had anything to do with the country
            your people's larp starts with the crusade. moron

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Our Christianization happened under Abraham of Cyrrus, who was dispatched by a Syriac monk to convert the pagans living in the mountains and coastal cities. This occurred in the 5th century. Please feel free to try and justify the 600 year gap to work in the relevancy of the crusades if it makes you feel comfortable. It's not like our presence and general stubbornness from the highlands isn't well documented by everyone from the Assyrians to the Byzantines to the Arabs to the Ottomans. No anon, everybody was just lying and we're evil Europeans who spawned out of spores in indigenous muslim lands circa 1200CE to oppress the poor brown folx. Then we activated our evil ytpipo tricknology to go back in time and rewrite history. There were actually huge population changes many, many times over the years. We just forgot to write it all down, just to own the libs 1500 years later.

            You stupid frick. You absolute clown.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            That's a lot of hot air. The maro ite national myth is their connection to france established during the crusades. Your delusional diaspora ass needs to touch grass

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >The maro ite national myth is their connection to france established during the crusades
            This isn't supported by any historical sources what-so-ever, however. So unless you can back up how the Byzantines, Abbasids, Fatmids, Assyrians, et al. accounts and interactions with my people were magically fabricated by France, I'm afraid you don't have an argument here. I'd love to hear about how Abu Ali al-Mansur was a French invention just to explain away how an irrelevant little mountain community came to be.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >This isn't supported by any historical sources what-so-ever, howeve
            This doesn't matter moron. For the last few hundred years maronites have stressed their telation with france. Learn to cope with it

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            The relationship didn't exist a few hundred years ago moron. I'm trying to bait you into discovering that the whole "muh crusades" and "muh tradition" connection were invented during the breakup of the Ottoman empire, a point in time which occurred after my family left. For fricks sake you're thick. You refuse to learn and do research, you refuse to be tricked into doing research. When you do nothing but refuse to actually have any knowledge in that little head of yours that doesn't come directly from swallowing the flies of pop history content aggregation, what can you possibly say of substance? You exist only to recite disgusting, historically revisionist rhetoric for means you don't even grasp. Get your life together you stupid piece of shit and until then get the frick off my board with this garbage.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            You're so fricking stupid it hurts. Your people invented the relationship with france a few hundred years ago and made a key aspect of their identity. Yet here you are crying about how that's not actually true when that doesn't matter because the constructed narrative in Maronite culture is the close ties with France which sets them apart from their neighbours. Diaspora are always so moronic. It's amazing

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Your people invented the relationship with france a few hundred years ago
            >established during the crusades
            >a few hundred years ago
            >established during the crusades

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >. No anon, everybody was just lying and we're evil Europeans who spawned out of spores
            No one is saying you moron. Your people are brownoids who larp as europeans which makes your people funny

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Dude shut up

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Egypt's kingdom built on mutual respect and cooperation lasted double that time period.
          nice fantasy

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >The first Chinese Emperor was an engineer who successfully constructed a dam before mathematics existed as a concept beyond basic intuitive arithmetic.
          Dude, you do know the first Chinese emperor's claim to fame was winning the warring states period and conquering his neighbors right? This is Normies level knowledge anon don't play dumb.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Egypt's kingdom built on mutual respect and cooperation lasted double that time period

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Neither were great,
      >enduring 1000 years of chaos
      >longest living European state
      >not Great
      I'll see you after 1000 years

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      OYYYYYY VEYYYYYYY
      >raises middle finger to trajan’s column

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Constantinople and it's not even close

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This. I've been to both. Aside from the obvious changes temporally, there is nothing like the cool wind of the Bosphorus or the greenery that you can see all around. Rome is nice, but it has a different vibe.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I love Rome but it's a crazy sprawling mess of a city

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Smart move putting the new capital there. Saved the empire for a thousand years. Too bed every time there is an earthquake you get a civil war.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Constantinople has so many advantages as an imperial capital it's not even funny. It's almost the best location for a city you can possibly find

  7. 1 week ago
    Radiochan

    Constaninople

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Constantinople
    City and its fortifications just basically cheated in another 1000 years into history unearned as state. Constantinople outstayed 1000 years just because of its walls.
    This is the greatness of teh City as concept of teh city.

    Rome was capital of the Empire. Empire colapced and city with it.
    Constantinople City Endured.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Rome: is just Rome.
    Constantinople: Rome wannabe.
    Conclusion: Rome wins.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      much of european history since the fall of rome is just rome wannabes

      at least constantinople has legetimate credentials to succeed rome

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Rome.
    Small origins to the largest city on earth
    Transformed into the seat of the papacy and remained relevant

    Constaninople
    Rome replacement
    Key city for a hundred years before becomiing some huts surrounded by the theodosian walls

    Not worth a thread.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Transformed into the seat of the papacy and remained relevant
      Instant disqualification

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm more of a Byzanboo than a Romanboo, so Constantinople.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >posts vikings

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know why, but I have a feeling those fine gentlemen want less talking, more raiding and to drink from my skull.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Just Germanic things.

  12. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Rome, EASILY. Constaninople was its extremely mid sequel in comparison and much of the things in constantinople were looted from Rome anyways.

  13. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Calling Constantinople nothing more than a sequel of Rome is like calling Rome nothing more than a sequel of Ancient Greece.

  14. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    rome

  15. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Constantinople

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