Who is the Jacob Collier of literature? Somebody "technically" very good but produces terrible art

Who is the Jacob Collier of literature? Somebody "technically" very good but produces terrible art

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pynchon, Theroux, Gass, Gaddis, . . .

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      TurboPLEB detected

      • 1 month ago
        Barkon

        Time Runner Sword.(this story)

        (Unaptly named) Waymaker (story about this guy with a sign post kind of move that transitions from place to place)

        (Unaptly named) Surge (story about two super soldiers who have to save the multiverse from a ionistic division by zero).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Gass specifically might be the answer here. I loved The Tunnel dearly but it is a bit of a throwaway concept for 30 years of your life in anticipation for this magnum opus. I think an even more apt response would be Barthelme. haven't read in years and all I can remember is decent techne and great cadence of sentence but I remember absolutely nothing from any of the stories.

      pynchon and gaddis are obvious bait

      theroux probably

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    John Updike, hands down, followed by Nabakov

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >John Updike
      you find fault in his short stories?
      pls explain

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Have you read any of his novels? They're so limp and worthless. Great writing, but man...hard to finish even the big name Rabbit ones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      nabokov?please die

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nabakov
      Who's that?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I could snap his pencil neck in half in a matter of milliseconds. Physical weakness truly is abhorrent.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tolstoy

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's unbelievable how shit his "music" sounds. He grew up in a musical family, doesn't he have ear or some appreciation for beauty?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The most talented hapa in the world

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's not bad, maybe not your genre? It's pretty ambient. It reminds me of the songs I imagine in my head in the shower, with all the lightness and the free association.
        Dear anons, before you rip into me please give me the same respect I extended to you.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, it's not that bad, the video is just kind of cringey, though.
          Actually kind of innovative.
          I listen to stuff like this, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0gNoELvpPo
          So my tastes are not tobe taken seriously.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Actually kind of innovative.
            In which sense?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I HATE DODECAPHONY I HATE DODECAPHONY I HATE DODECAPHONY I HATE DODECAPHONY I HATE DODECAPHONY

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It's pretty ambient
          shut up zoomer

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It's pretty ambient
          >It's good as long as you aren't really paying attention
          What an odd thing to say lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >>It's good as long as you aren't really paying attention
            kek
            you anons are getting too witty these days

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think good ambient sets an environment rather than deliver content. If you pay attention, there is no message, but it's still good. Also, I don't see the problem with music that is good while you don't pay attention to it... Everything has a niche.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Also, I don't see the problem with music that is good while you don't pay attention to it.
            Imagine saying this about any other art form. If it becomes bad once you pay attention to it, that means it's bad.
            It's like a saying a loose mountain lion in your house is fine as long as you forget about him.
            You're still going to get eaten by the lion. You're still listening to shitty music.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Imagine saying this about any other art form.
            Architecture.

            Not every art form requires your full attention, especially when it's part of the lived environment.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not fully understanding the theories and principles behind it doesn't mean you can't accurately judge the quality of an artistic work.
            Any old moron, including you and me, can tell wether a building is beautiful or ugly.
            I refuse to believe that you would ever look at a western khrushchyovka and think like that.
            Maybe tell it to your wife when you buy a house like this for your family. "Don't worry, honey, it's fine as long as you don't give it your full attention" hahaha

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm almost in the same boat as this anon

            >Also, I don't see the problem with music that is good while you don't pay attention to it.
            Imagine saying this about any other art form. If it becomes bad once you pay attention to it, that means it's bad.
            It's like a saying a loose mountain lion in your house is fine as long as you forget about him.
            You're still going to get eaten by the lion. You're still listening to shitty music.

            in that, if paying attention ruins the thing, it's not good art. I would be willing to accept that it's useful to set a certain mood, but calling it "good music" is a step too far.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >useful to set a certain mood
            Jacob Collier music sets the perfect mood for all non-wankers to quickly vacate the premises where the music is being played.
            Wankers Only zone mood.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        WELLLLLLLLLLL
        is way better. his best tune as of yet

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the overproduced videos are almost worse than the horrific music

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlFD298wTOM
          >The most talented hapa in the world

          I'm always amazed at how fricking shit a song can sound despite being made by someone with this much musical education and knowledge.
          I mean good on him, he is an artist and can do whatever he likes, but I'm positive that most of the gays that keeping liking this are trying to trick themself into enjoying this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          WELLLL is incomprehensibly jacobean
          Though out of Djesse 4, I think "Wherever I Go" is the best so far

          "In The Real Early Morning" is still my all time favourite though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Insurance Commercial tier

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How does he manage to sound so minimalist and maximalist at the same time. His music sounds like a hospital

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Technically its impossible to it sound "bad" because he knows music theory. But its shit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But why do you think it's bad?
          Try and pin it down.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Technically its impossible to it sound "bad" because he knows music theory. But its shit

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlFD298wTOM
            >The most talented hapa in the world

            the problem with jacob collier's original music is no concept is ever fully realised, nothing ever gets stage time beyond a few moments, room to breathe, it's a grab bag of token efforts tossed together

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This is probably the most accurate description about his music I've read so far

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is very much possible for theoretically correct music to sound bad

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Technically its impossible to it sound "bad" because he knows music theory.
          That makes no sense because music theory is descriptive and has almost nothing to do with actually writing and making music.

          It is very much possible for theoretically correct music to sound bad

          >theoretically correct music
          What the FRICK does this mean? I swear you non-musicians haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I swear you non-musicians haven't got a clue what you're talking about
            I am a musician. What I meant by "theoretically correct" is music written in accordance with the "rules" of theory. I know theory is descriptive. That doesn't mean people don't treat like a rule book or steps to follow.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        One can have great theoretical knowledge, but such knowledge at the end of the day is only a tool; its not going to teach you what's good or bad and possessing it is certainly not going to stop you from being able to make bad music.
        The lyrics and music have no cohesion, not to mention that the lyrics are shit. The result is that the song is unable to channel any sort of emotion whatsoever.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's as if a university music student was given an assignment where he is required to demonstrate proficiency of various rhythmic and harmonic concept in a single composition.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It's as if a university music student was given an assignment where he is required to demonstrate proficiency of various rhythmic and harmonic concept in a single composition.
          This is so precise. Maybe that's why I feel something of a "phoniness" to his music.
          There's something insincere about his sound and I don't know why; which is curious considering he obviously know a lot and I don't doubt for a second he really loves his influences.
          But if that's the case, how can it happen then?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I hate this so much. It's so disjointed. It sounds like I'm stuck in the back seat of the car, and someone keeps flipping through the FM radio stations, and they've gone through every frequency like three times, and I just want to yell, "FRICKING PICK SOMETHING ALREADY" holy shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Kek, i like some experimental shit, but this sounds so fricking awful. Bloated yet uninteresting, like a ball of yarn

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mr.Bungle for retirement homes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Lmfao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        technical knowledge doesn't account for taste, how do you make such solid drum and bass playing sound lame

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        WELLLLLLLLLLL
        is way better. his best tune as of yet

        It sounds so saccharine but also disjointed
        I gotta wash my ears with some Burzum now

        nabokov?please die

        I was going to say Nabokov as well, but it doesn't really fit. Nabokov produced amazing art, it's just that there isn't much depth in it, after you peel away the outer layer of his prose.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I only vaguely knew this guy before and this is about the one song that I actually can stand from him that I've heard. Maybe I'm just being contrarian but the maximalist disjointedness actually sort of works here and I like the experimental daring of it. Every other song I've listened to sounds awful in this thread and elsewhere, especially the ones (and there are loads of them, from what I see) that are trying to be simple and heartfelt or poppy.
        The technique vs. passion binary is not always very helpful for creatives and I think sometimes comes from a retrospective misunderstanding of the creative process.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is the logical conclusion of music theory after Beethoven, he mindbroke everyone with his genius simplicity so now they overcompensate with shit like this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I disagree, there are modern classical pieces so beautiful they take your breath away, you just need to have good aesthetic sensibilities to use complex music theory well

          %3D%3D

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >1925
            >modern

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >1930+ posters think they're oldgays now

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            20th century western art music is also known as modern classical, the western art music of today is usually called contemporary or post-modern classical

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I fricking hate people who are younger than me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The dtart was good and the in got progressively worse. This is not a coherent piece of music. It's a masturbatory demo for showing off multiple genres but doesnt excel in any of them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's no seona dancing, I know that much

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlFD298wTOM
      >The most talented hapa in the world

      [...]
      I'm always amazed at how fricking shit a song can sound despite being made by someone with this much musical education and knowledge.
      I mean good on him, he is an artist and can do whatever he likes, but I'm positive that most of the gays that keeping liking this are trying to trick themself into enjoying this.

      I guess one of the problems is that he's trying to do many things at the same time.
      What's the problem with "introduction, verse, bridge, chorus"?
      Isn't he aiming for pop music?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He did grow up in a musical family. I remember reading once how his relatives played in orchestras and taught at various musical institutions, and also how he and his family played and sang Bach chorales together when he was growing up. He may know how to play instruments and understands music theory concepts, but frick me is his taste terrible. Aesthetics should be a big thing, but they're completely overlooked. Just a quick look at him and his stupid hair, his ugly album covers, and cringeworthy music videos should give you enough of an idea about how tasteless he is. No amount of technical knowledge can make up for terrible taste.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who looks like that on purpose is either severely mentally ill or running a grift on the severely mentally ill. My money is on the latter but coasties are kooks either way.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally DFW, he was the same kind of hyper-literate wunderkind when he was alive

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Harold Bloom, most comp lit professors

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the most punchable face i have ever seen

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love him actaully. He makes me feel things I've never felt before.
    That transition in Sky Above is so godly, I want to savour it and only play it like once a year so it doesn't get stale.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Who is the Jacob Collier of literature? Somebody technically very good but produces pleb filters that 95% of anons will seethe at.
    Deleuze & Guattari

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >produces pleb filters that 95% of anons will seethe at
      Making mediocre pop music that has an added veneer of academic virtuosity will never be considered as "good" music to anyone who doesn't have soulless fricking taste in music.
      Jacob Collier fans are on the same level as Joe Satriani or Yngwie Malmsteen fans who jerk off over guitar players who play their solos really fast but add virtually little to no substance that could be quantified as anything other than unmemorable or needlessly ostentatious.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        t. can't differentiate between a 7th and a 9th chord by ear

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          t. can't differentiate between a good music and a layered microtonal farting

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Blow it out your ass jake

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Who looks like that or says that? Maybe a 6th chord, but a 9th? No way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yngwie's early stuff is fantastic though

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the guy who wrote House of Leaves

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    who the frick does even listen to a music like that

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      my step dad who's an old jazz head likes him for some reason
      when i told him that his music sounds like ass, he told me that he loves it because he's so skilled

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >when i told him that his music sounds like ass, he told me that he loves it because he's so skilled
        Pretty much sums up most jazz fans.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Most jazz fans hate Collier. Maybe Kenny G swigging, Chick Corea listening, Herbie Hanwiener respecting people with no discretion might like him.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    jacob collier would write a dictionary sorted by the word length because he knows all the words and then would try to explain you why it is a good prose

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >jacob collier would write a dictionary sorted by the word length because he knows all the words and then would try to explain you why it is a good prose
      kek

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not really possible without an element of dexterity.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What does "technical" literature look like? With music it's really easy to spot when somebody is trying to show off their mastery of technique, usually it just means "lots of notes." Nobody really thinks of really restrained minimalist stuff like Morton Feldman as being very technical even though it can be harder to play than the kitchen sink maximalist stuff

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I guess it would be someone with good prose but shit stories and moronic ideas?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this thread is the equivalent of genre-fic readers complaining ulysses is too difficult

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine the endless sea of mid white pussy

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have the same bizarre gift as Jacob Collier where I can pick up any musical instrument and learn it to an intermediate level in a month or so. The thing is being intermediate at various instruments is basically a useless skill and Jacob was lucky to become a meme and blow up.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The thing is being intermediate at various instruments is basically a useless skill
      nah people make lots of money with this skill on youtube, just do arrangements of popular shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The thing is he really is a pretty good and confident piano player, at least significantly beyond what I'd call "intermediate". I wouldn't say so about drums bass guitar etc tho. The djesse albums up until this point have been well produced too, but I feel like his problem is he has a very specific weird taste for things in general; aesthetics, inspiration sources, composition and others. I'm not defending him, let alone dickride like so many people online do lol, I will say that vol. 3 felt like an adhd sweaty fever dream and i feel like vol. 4 is not going to be any better but Vol. 2 had some sweet moments that I still revel in from time to time, like that batshit insane sax solo in nebaluyo or Feel or Lua but generally the more time passes the less I'm impressed by his output. Even the stuff of his that i like i still admit is super fringe in terms of music categorisation and very love it or hate it, with a higher probability of hate it for most people

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This too, i still think this is super groovy and way more approachable than the other example provided in the thread, although it does walk a fine line between "entertainingly impressive" and "pretentious". Also who doesn't love a little bit of prepared piano

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          not a great example since it's not his song

          • 1 month ago
            Barkon

            It is more than your best attempt at it's finish.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            my best attempt at what? i'm not a musician.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that's fair his piano playing is closer to pro level

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Here's some non moronic/gay music to wash your ears with

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >math rock but on a generic hip hop beat
      I'd rather just listen to rage, the beats are unironically way better compositions than anything this revolving-door-of-phrasings way of playing guitar could ever make.

      %3D

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sooooooo many crabs ITT it's crazy

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Probably some genreslop writer who is good at describing in great and epic detail the events of the 3rd Highdornian Crusade against the evil Necroking Mortorgimorth but can't make any reader with a soul care about it.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Never actually listened to his music before, but it sounds like he just writes 4-6 loops of elevator music and then randomly throws them together. No sense of buildup or payoff.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You say he understands music theory but it seems like he doesn't understand the concept of Development
    Imagine if 2 minutes into Chaconne it stopped and Air on G started playing instead
    That's the level he's on, schizophrenia with no concept of a greater piece

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's solid advice.

      people hate on him because he maxed out his technical skill a little too young to make good pop music, which is born from life experience that he lacks
      he is really good at supporting other artists, he does add a lot to the one off songs for other artists’s albums

      I don't hate the guy as a person, only his music.
      I can watch a video by him and come out with something learnt and be amused. But then I go listen to his original work and it blows; it's all bland and feelgoodsy.
      He shares the worse vices of bands like coldplay and imaginedragons.
      His bassline lacks the malice of bands of the seventies he takes as inspiration.
      His piano playing lacks the edgness of a Monk, Thelonius.
      His Metal riffs are just not hard enough.
      Is his goal half-assing all musical genres?
      His stuff is all over the place as said in this thread.
      Being more accurate, his thing is not even really that hateful, it's just owefully forgetable.
      I can't recall a single theme from the songs I've heard.

      Isn't it pop? Where is my chewing gum then?

      He should drop the one-man act. It worked for Stevie Wonder, but is not doing him any good.
      He would benefit from the right collaborators.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah I agree with you
        I have a former musician friend that is similar to him in that aspect - he’s beyond a virtuoso at guitar and writing guitar music that is more like an athlete than a musician. but his music sucks because he spent too much time studying theory and not enough time listening to music, or at least learning how to play stuff that people actually like

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Listen to Aphex
    so many novel tracks, all pure good instinct and taste in melody and sound

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    people hate on him because he maxed out his technical skill a little too young to make good pop music, which is born from life experience that he lacks
    he is really good at supporting other artists, he does add a lot to the one off songs for other artists’s albums

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Soulless chink

    • 1 month ago
      Barkon

      Na'qqqq

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >refutes every music theory gay in existence

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sovl

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This guy is so fricking ugly and his music is shit

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He comes across as a character from Spy Kids

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why is there a massive hum behind every word he ever sings, that's the most obnoxious thing about his music

  32. 1 month ago
    Barkon
  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    White k-pop. Kaleidoscope of genre conventions to give the widest possible audience something to latch on to. Relentless pace and gaudy visuals to blast through flatlined zoomer attention span. Neon multicoloured cotton candy in a pair of wacky braces.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jacob Collier the type of homie who eats his own cum and says YUMMY

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pretty much describes joyce

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JacobCollier/comments/qhugtf/my_one_and_only_experience_with_jacob_collier_was/

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