Who was in the wrong here?

Who was in the wrong here?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Habsburg have literally never fought on the wrong side of history.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      A rare adult on IQfy

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      except for ww1

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      A.E.I.O.V
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      t. Trientino

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      they created the EU
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Papist tyrants

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Habsburg states.

      The devil worshipers in rome

      The catholics instigated the war.
      The protestants committed most of the atrocities.

      The best part of the war is that both sides realized that it was moronic. It's actually quite rare.

      There is zero and I mean zero justification for the Protestants to fight war legally and therefore morally

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it is legal for the government to genocide you and therefore you have no moral justification to rebel against them

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The side that kept backstabbing good catholics while they were desperately defending europe from the turks.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the turks who were only in europe thanks to catholic treachery

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Schizophrenia.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You mean, italian and french treachery? At a time when protestantism was not a thing?

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Habsburg states.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Btw, Didn't the pope help protestant holy roman empire to fight ottomans? Mainly poland? only to be hated anyways? I dont understand why the germanic speaking world(even england) never saw Islam with the same hate as the mediterran empires.
      Was it really necessary for them to open their borders so they can finally see how shit they are??

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        meant for

        The side that kept backstabbing good catholics while they were desperately defending europe from the turks.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        meant for [...]

        You're not making any sense. The habsburg rulers of the HRE were always catholic, and the pope's aid against the ottomans (which involved brokering alliances with the commonwealth) was greatly appreciated.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hm, I must have confused it with another kingdom

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're maybe thinking of France cooperating with Ottomans to attack Hapsburgs on both sides. Or Ottomans attacking Poland during the 30 years war so that Poland would be unable to intervene on the side of the Catholics (it was a seperate war so Poland never got the chance to help).

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ottomans attacking Poland during the 30 years
            yeah I mixed with that one

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    calvinists for ruining the peace of augsburg

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    France for betraying the Unam Sanctam and siding with godless heathens.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the Habsburgs siege, sack and occupy Rome
      >(later) remember the Unam Sanctam!

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The two faced homosexual pope deserved it.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Personnally or the whole institution? That's the issue: how to hit the guy without damaging the institution?
          The Emperor's authority came in part from the pope and vice versa.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The pope supported the french who were allied with the ottomans (or were about to). That was high treason and warranted punishment.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The pope switched side all the time which exasperated the emperor.
            The emperor wanted to have control over the nomination of the pope's cardinals and whatever.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I still find it bizarre that no Catholic kingdom sent even one man to retake the Vatican; the sack went for fricking months. It's the most important city of your faith, dammit, and you can't even retake it from a bunch of rebel soldiers?
          And what the frick are the other Italian states doing?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >let's gosave the pope, who know maybe he won't switch side this time

            >Italian states
            They were as relevant as the Italian state is.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not talking about the pope, but the city. If Meca was captured by some rebel army with no regard for the faith, tons and tons of muslins ordes would rush to that place in order to torture every single one of them. In fact, Islam can have all the defects in the world, but they never surrendered, even if they got beaten to a pulp every time until they finally won.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The citizens of Romes I assumed were pretty much just tired of all that politic and just left it to the elites.
            The era is known for the many switchings of alliances and political struggles left and right;
            France fought to stay independant from the Empire.
            The Empire wanted to have more power over the Roman Catholicism.
            The pope had to deal with the wrath of at least three temporal powers: France, the Habsburgs Empire, and the kings/dictators of Rome.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            And let's not talk about the antipopes, at one point I've read that they was 4 popes/antipopes at once.
            How can a population see clear in all this?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You know I never thought about how the average peasant must have seen the multiple popes at once stuff. Shit must have been horrifying to ones sincere in their faith.
            >dont pick the wrong pope to see as the real one or off the hell you go

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's more terrifying than switching king.
            Imagine realizing after all this is over that you've been praying for an antipope all this time and got your child's baptised etc by the wrong clergy.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Qarmatians literally sacked and massacred Mecca to a scale larger then the sack of Rome, and they continued living for 150 years more.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Damn, I really need to learn more about middle east

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The two faced homosexual pope deserved it.

        The habsburgs never sacked rome, it was a rogue army they no longer controlled.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          No Charles probably plotted the whole thing.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The devil worshipers in rome

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I Just had one wish, and that was for Parliament to be blown to smithereens!

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The catholics instigated the war.
    The protestants committed most of the atrocities.

    The best part of the war is that both sides realized that it was moronic. It's actually quite rare.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >castilian radical catholic obscurantism
    >nordic tolerant and liberal scientificism enlightment
    I mean, I am not a Xboo for northerners but Spanish empire was a toxic relic of barbarian dark centuries of ignorance and stupidity

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wow a moron on a history board who only makes the place worse with his garbage posts that are definitely more to push modern ideology than actual history? Color me shocked!

      [...]

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tell me how forcing inquisition and outdated scholastic ideas good for human progress

        >b-but MUH TRADERINO N SHIET

        Whatever, the hiddeous dark barbarian centuries have been surprassed and it is a path we shall not return never ever, Idk about dumb revisionists as you.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me how forcing inquisition and outdated scholastic ideas good for human progress

      >b-but MUH TRADERINO N SHIET

      Whatever, the hiddeous dark barbarian centuries have been surprassed and it is a path we shall not return never ever, Idk about dumb revisionists as you.

      The spanish inquisition was far and away the most lenient and legalistic judicial system in Europe at the time. The fact you think otherwise, based purely off memes and centuries-old propaganda, just screams to everyone that your opinion on any given historical topic can be safely ignored.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The spanish inquisition was far and away the most lenient and legalistic judicial system in Europe at the time
        source?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Common knowledge.
          It's literaly like the myth of Bloody Mary: just another protestant bullshit.
          The massacre of the Saint-Bartholomy happened but it was also a reaction to the protestant massacres that previous happened.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Be Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
    >Western and Southern Europe is tearing itself apart in religious conflict
    >You banned religious persecution 50 years prior, all is peaceful, not going to engage in this shit
    >Instead send your most infamous unit as mercenaries
    >They act so badly BOTH sides of the conflict send complaints

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Protestant were making troubles while Catholicd tried to save Europe from the Turks, many such cases.
    It's also ironic that in the end neither the Swedish, English or the German protestant managed to defeat Spain and it only took Catholic France + rebellion in catholic Portugal and Catalonia to put an end to the war. Even the Dutch wouldnt have been able to go anywhere without France and would have likely been crushed by Alexander Farnese had his troops not been diverted by the civil war in France. The great mistake of Philip II.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Prots are always the good guys

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >man’s salvation occurs ultimately in the next world … states have no being after this world. Their salvation is either in the present or nonexistent. Hence the punishments that are necessary to their survival may not be postponed but must be immediate.
    Was Richelieu right to have France fight against their fellow catholics for secular goals?

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not sure II understand the question but the answer is frick the gay stupid Habsburgs and all the homosexuals ITT with their Habsburger syndrome.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Spanish Habsburg should have just hijacked the church and declare themselves pope like the Ottoman did with the title of Caliph.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Hapsburgs, for running roughshod over the rights of the Bohemian estates to select their own king and imposing themselves on the country by force.

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