Why are so many artists quitting because of technology? It doesn't make much sense

Why are so many artists quitting because of technology? It doesn't make much sense

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't really know but it's great to see that we will have less porn on the internet. Maybe I should wait with poisoning the training sets.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >less porn

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, there will probably be more porn for a short time but it will be less publicly as AIs don't need to promote their enabling of coomers

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          kek I can't tell if you're just a christcuck or just coping. There will be more porn with AI. A LOT MORE

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You need to understand what I'm saying before trying to respond.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >less porn
      AI porn

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        AI porn sucks ass. It's unfappable.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you get replaced by a computer. it says alot about your skill issue

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      in theory everyone would get replaced, what does this say about humanity? programmers would get replaced by chatgpt, farmers by robots, musicians and artists by mega corporative soulless garbage, the only common denominator is AI

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        time to merge with the machine. The flesh is weak.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >time to merge with the machine
          just saying if you do this israelites will have control over your consciousness
          flesh is just a temporary vessel, what you are surpasses all tech, we are a singularity

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            We lost the fur but put on the clothes, we cook our food, we store our thoughts in text, we burn dead dinosaurs to move. We are augmenting ourselves this is our expression humanity, we build singularity from inside out, we were built by God in his image and likeness and we will become as God creating a new soul thus closing the loop.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >don't ascend goys!

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's not one single piece of tech or code on the face of the earth I would trust to run in my body. Anyone who goes down that route deserves the inevitable critical failures they get

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your body in itself is already piece of code executing on protein based machine and it's experiencing errors and malfunctions all the time.

            >you might as well paint murals for a living.
            this is 10 times harder than just doing digital art, its not reasonable
            >What is a human aspect of art?
            its hard to say because art for many is something personal, for some people its the meaning, for some the feeling, for other the hard work put into it, the artistic vision, etc
            >Would using water shader for important location to look better detract from "human"-ess of a picture?
            well no because another person made this shader, in the same way, plus transformative art exists, getting things that exist and transforming them into something new that has your style and heart into it is human, see pricel for example
            >Would researching spiders for a bit and writing simple spider simulation algorithms to help you with spider webs in a background make your work "worse" from artistic perspective?
            same as above, i mean in this case it is partially automated but thats not a huge deal because A) you studied and automated yourself B) those are just details that can be replaced because they are repetitive, (like a brick pattern or some texture in a 3d render)
            >Do you need to mine your titanium to not rely on inherently inhumane mining industries for your white pigments?
            again, if you are transforming something into something else, only a very eccentric artists would think that you need to get everything from scratch, and honestly i would probably make for some very interesting art, but i regress, its not a huge deal, which is kinda poetic now that you mention, art being just shaping the world around you into something new

            I wanted to run this discussion for a bit longer, but i gotta bail, so here's me skipping to the bottom of it.
            While "AI" is misused to create pointless schlock, it's merely a side effect and not the end goal.
            Grossly oversimplifying generative model is a result of computational analysis of a dataset. It is a sum of human experiences and expressions in digital form. Thus, in it's conceptual ideal, model itself and it's output is an embodiment of spirit of collective humanity. There is nothing more "human" and "art" than this as of right now, it's meta art in it's peak form and and you'll be pleasantly surprised with what humans will accomplish with it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >wanted to run this discussion for a bit longer, but i gotta bail
            me too, i procrastinating here honestly
            >While "AI" is misused to create pointless schlock, it's merely a side effect and not the end goal.
            true, and that what worries me, give power to the man and he created disgrace
            > model itself and it's output is an embodiment of spirit of collective humanity. There is nothing more "human" and "art" than this as of right now, it's meta art in it's peak form and and you'll be pleasantly surprised with what humans will accomplish with it.
            if it has positive side effects i will gadly accept it, problem is, as of right now, in the way this tech is going we will just have a spam of generic stuff in the market, the tech you are talking about doesnt even have signs of starting to exist

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah and dinosaurs got replaced by walking monkeys

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the only common denominator is AI
        Or the ownership & management classes doing the actual replacing. There's another future where AI is fully democratized: everyone gets their own AI running on their own hardware that works for them. Complete decentralization and personal empowerment.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        AI can't write anything that hasn't been written before. Talented programmers will still be employed, albeit probably at lower salaries. It's just people churning out CRUD apps that will lose their jobs. You can't get GPT to invent a new filesystem, for example.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >AI can't write anything that hasn't been written before.
          Neither can authors writing fiction because the dictionary exists.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's only half-wrong. Language models can't solve a problem if the solution isn't some interpolation or extrapolation of existing solutions.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Language models can't solve a problem if the solution isn't some interpolation or extrapolation of existing solutions.
            Yeah it's called standing on the shoulders of giants and is more or less how everything in a modern world works; based off of existing understanding.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >le heckin' humans also can't do anything exept interpolate or extrapolate what already exists
            Obviously and trivially wrong but I was basically just baiting you into this answer to expose your corporate automatonism.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No argument
            >le
            >i was just baiting you

            [...]

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >reddit golem thinks his israeli debate culture is still relevant

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm not a redditor, you're a redditor!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No one cares about israeli debate culture anymore, Amazing Atheist. Go back.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he cries out as he's been found out

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Go back.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Concession accepted

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            most of people can't put two things together so it's already a huge advancement

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >regurgitate standard corporate zinger #2
            Every single time. You're not human.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >implying "corporate zinger" or whatever it means doesn't say that everyone is unique and smart in their own way
            Lol moron

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            False equivalence
            Human authors can use existing words to describe new ideas
            GPT uses existing words to describe existing ideas
            It has never created a new concept and never will

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I asked GPT to create a new concept.
            Concept: "Temporal Echoism"

            Temporal Echoism is an abstract philosophical concept positing that every moment in time resonates with echoes of potential futures and traces of parallel pasts. This concept challenges the linear perception of time, suggesting that our present is continuously influenced by echoes of what could be and what might have been, creating a multi-dimensional temporal experience.

            Seems like a good concept to me. Now let's see yours, human.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My imaginary concept is you getting a gf

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >my imaginary concept is [generic reddit line #188]
            You just know it's going to be this kind of mindless meat automaton 99.9% of the time.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >extract from Men with Micropenises: An Anthology of Quotes

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You probably got that one from the GPT.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >[sigma sets trap]
            >[beta predictably falls into it]
            Since you love GPT so much you must think it was a good response. Your concession is accepted.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >moronic buzzword soup
            Clockwork.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >lazy, vague response demonstrative of cerebral fatigue

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >cerebral fatigue
            Yeah, I suppose. I feel like talking to normies like you is slowly making me less human but maybe it's just "cerebral fatigue".

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            no John, you are the normies

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Actually let me do my answer over
            It's a false equivalence because I was talking about Chad programmers that are innately superior to pathetic humanities scum

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you assume it's never going to get any better? that "AI" as it exists right now will be the only version of it? When has that ever been the case?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >in theory everyone would get replaced, what does this say about humanity?

        People only complain when their own livelihoods on the line. You either adapt or perish.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >farmers by robots
        Fricking lmao
        >musicians and artists by mega corporative soulless garbage
        Been going on for at least a decade already. When's the last time the music at the top of the charts had an ounce of soul to it? Nothing but
        >Lil Nig ft. xxGangstaGxx
        Music honestly reminds me of Orwell's 1984 where Winston talks about how music is randomly generated by computers and doesn't have any sort of meaning behind it, and nobody notices and all sing along anyway.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        if something is replacing your passion then you were shallow and soulless slave to begin with. you'd really enjoy chinese lifestyle. consider it, like seriously. it will cure your depression unironically

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're moronic. Good artist would use AI as a tool. Shit/insecure artist will think he's replaceable by AI.
    In the end, nothing of value was lost.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      A good artist draws to express meaning. The tools are superficial.

      https://i.imgur.com/UjkYNEX.jpg

      Why are so many artists quitting because of technology? It doesn't make much sense

      They understand their work is reproducable by a fricking robot.
      >scummer
      Knows he can't make money long-term this way.
      >hobbyist
      Can't delude himself into thinking his work is worth something.
      >elitist
      Can't be unique anymore after the ai sees the picture even once.
      >casual
      Is discouraged that this thing requiring a lot of time and skill now can be done in a few seconds.
      And only people who talk to you via art disregard the whole thing. They literally don't care, the ai will never be able to see as they do and transfer that vision on the canvas.
      t. not an artist

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >A good artist draws to express meaning. The tools are superficial.
        Your understanding of the process of creation is superficial. This is necessarily and invariably true for every AI golem.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I did not say that functionality of the tools is superficial, only that they themselves are. They're means to an end.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The tools define the basic elements in terms of which you perceive the medium and conceive of the image. AI proooompting is not even a tool from that point of view. It does not introduce any basic visual elements because it doesn't give you anywhere near that level of control. It's inherently aphantasic.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then AI is not a tool. Why should you care about it? It goes on and does its thing unrelated to your art. You just continue on, unaffected.
            >conceive the image
            This only means you're kinetic thinker, you modify the internal image you try to convey as you draw. It's not finished in your head, so you complete it in the process. Then the tools are important.
            This isn't the only way.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Then AI is not a tool. Why should you care about it? It goes on and does its thing unrelated to your art. You just continue on, unaffected.
            The only way it affects me is through the absolutely cancerous and profoundly subhuman culture it promotes.

            >This only means you're kinetic thinker, you modify the internal image you try to convey as you draw. It's not finished in your head, so you complete it in the process. Then the tools are important.
            >This isn't the only way.
            This is nonsensical babble and it's completely clear that you didn't understand what I said because you have never mastered a creative skill in your life.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are incredibly asshurt and AI lives rent free in your head. I literally started a topic barely related to it talk about the tools and the creative process, yet you clearly can't do anything but insult and be obsessed. Frick you.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >yet you clearly can't do anything but insult
            Why are you lying? I explained exactly why your point was deficient, but you couldn't comprehend what I said so you decided to shit out some irrelevant and pretentious drivel. As far as I'm concerned, the point was made and it still stands: it's not about "tools" at all.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nah you didn't. And people like you make me as mad as that anon rightfully calls you. No artist will work with me to create great art with ai. They do not understand it's potential at all. They are so trapped in the mindset of their current workflow that they don't understand how ai can enable them to reach new and insane heights

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Every expert I talk to hates this thing, hates using this thing, and doesn't see any value in it.
            >They just must not get it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >experts agree!
            Hmm where have I seen this before?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, so experts' are now valid and not a israeli psyop or something?

            It's hilarious to me that you're so buttblasted about the word expert that you're incapable of even hearing it without immediately screaming about israelites. Guess what someone who devotes their life and occupation towards something is, dumbasses. But I guess I should know better than to expect more from some shitposting experts.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >experts
            Another one for the filter.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This one I agree with. Even a broken golem is right once a thread.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            When did I do that? I was making fun of every schizo who puts 100 parentheses whenever someone posts a study as a source. I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, so experts' are now valid and not a israeli psyop or something?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What do you mean a daw would help me produce more music than just playing my one instrument? Computers are gay and replace human labor.
            T. Your actual argument. Stay stuck in your current work flow I guess.

            The trouble with unskilled useless eaters like you is that they don't actually understand any of the images they look at, but they can't even begin to fathom what constitutes the understanding they lack and they are subbornly unwilling to gain this understanidng because the appeal of LARPing as a creator by shitting out prompts instead of putting in the work to learn fundamental skills is too great for someone who lacks the skills to really tell the difference between art and slop in the first place.

            I flunked out of art school actually so I know very well the level of dedication something takes. It's because I understand such dream projects that I know you are objectively wrong. And actually it's 100% you who is looking at the images and seeing nothing. You don't see a work flow. You don't see a tool. You are limited by your imagination because your only ambition is shitting out a coommission for a few furgays. You do not want to reach above where you are to the level of art previously only the rich could finance. In short, you're an idiot. Someone will almost certainly beat me to this idea, but it won't be my fault. Keep your head in the sand.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I flunked out of art school actually so I know very well the level of dedication something takes.
            Yeah, too bad you never learned how to see.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No u.
            You have the flexibility and deconstructing talents of a rodent only. And it's 100% self evident that the people I see complain about ai the most also never show their work. Keep seething instead of seeing

            >Art school dropout
            >Can't prove his moronic point because other artists won't do the work for him
            >AI evangelist
            lol, lmao even

            They don't need my permission, just do my idea without my help. Oh wait you all are too moronic to even think of it. You're just going to sit there seething and coping. Never understanding the tool in front of you.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your idea is garbage and anyone who can actually draw and has tried AI realizes it immediately. If it weren't a moronic idea, you could easily prove it yourself, but you're either too lazy or incompetent. You don't even realize your very existence is the best evidence against your own argument.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't have a reason to prove it works myself. My time would be way better spent on the stuff I am good at. Of course I use ai to facilitate that as well. Anyway you're like that dumb c**t that said Star wars was the brain child of the concept artist and not Lucas. Something even his divorced roastie shat on her for.
            Still not seeing that work by the way.

            No one cares about your mongoloidal drivel. My point stands completely undisputed: learning how to draw is leaning how to see. First you learn how to see, then you learn how to see with your mind's eye, only then do you start developing something that can be legitimately called an artistic vision. The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tools. You will never gain this ability from the aphantasic process of proompting.

            >Learning how to draw is learning how to see.
            And happy with whatever mediocre slp you are too embarrassed to provide examples of, you clearly stopped learning ages ago. Anyway I don't have that kind of kinetic talent instead I'm good at writing and doing collage like images such as inucurry at a much simpler level.
            Still not seeing that work
            >Dumb moron still projecting how I use ai
            Classic. Also objective proof that you don't understand the tool

            >No
            Yes. I like how your primitive corporate language processor can't come up with anything besides piss-weak gaslight attempts. Looks like a concession to me.
            >you guys
            What guys? Are the voices talking to you again?

            No you are the morons that consneeded by both refusing to post art and unintentionally continuing to produce argument after argument that proves that you both do not have any artistic vision nor do you have any understanding of how this tool actually works.
            >Voices
            Are you trying to imply you are the only artist loudly complaining like this on this entire site? Thanks for the additional concession I guess.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >My idea is amazing
            >No I don't need to prove it
            >I'm just busy
            >YOU should be proving it to ME
            But how would this argument be going if you hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Id be asleep instead of trying to educate dumb morons with no vision on g

            >posts a bunch of feminine seething drivel
            >doesn't actually challenge anything i said
            LOL

            I already objectively proved you wrong.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I already objectively proved you wrong.
            By crying and whinging? You didn't actually address or even try to address anything I've pointed out. Imagine being this mentally ill.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >posts a bunch of feminine seething drivel
            >doesn't actually challenge anything i said
            LOL

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No one cares about your mongoloidal drivel. My point stands completely undisputed: learning how to draw is leaning how to see. First you learn how to see, then you learn how to see with your mind's eye, only then do you start developing something that can be legitimately called an artistic vision. The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tools. You will never gain this ability from the aphantasic process of proompting.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's really funny to me that you think the example you used demonstrates your point. That feeding an AI images and telling it to make copies with different characters, or hitting generate image 100 times until it spits out the generic pose you wanted without being a mess of errors and flesh soup is anything approaching the specificity that would be needed by artists to integrate AI into their workflow. It's just so hopelessly naive, like assuming that construction engineering is just like stacking blocks and all you gotta do is make sure they line up.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You sound legit mentally ill. I didn't make any examples, just explained to you something no-skill no-nuffins like you couldn't have known.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hi moron you apparently can't even line up posts let alone blocks so it's obvious why you can't see how the tool of ai can easily be used in a work flow.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Art school dropout
            >Can't prove his moronic point because other artists won't do the work for him
            >AI evangelist
            lol, lmao even

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I reject the premise in

            Any artist I've spoken to who has actually attempted to experiment with AI has described it as worthless as a tool. In the same way that pushing a cart down a hill is worthless to a transportation company. Even though it is "free" and "effortless". AI simply produces something that you did not make, and which you cannot control. You can't direct AI to do anything with any specificity, which makes it useless as a tool. If you've actually ever created anything with intent, you would immediately understand how useless AI is, but most people who use it have never learned any kind of craft. As a result they're easily fooled into believing they created the thing that AI spat out. It's like watching a child use a vending machine and believe he created the food that came out because they pressed the button with the right picture.

            Who is this this guy to claim this? What is the sample size he's working with? What kind of artists is he asking? Of course he's not going to tell us of any of this, because he's not going to dox his friends, but keep that in mind. I have talked to artists who see AI as a valuable tool, use it to streamline their work flows, and are interested to see where the technology goes.

            I'm not hearing what he is hearing.

            Again it's like guy saying you can't get specific images from Ai. Like have you ever gone to /hdg/? There was guy who would post webms of his process. He'd want Ryoko and Satusuki giving a penis a double boob job, and would get that specific image by time he was done. He wasn't even using control net as far as I could tell Granted it was a clunky workflow, and wonder if it was fast enough, but he got the specific image he wanted every time. Yes it can be done, and we see autists doing it every day on IQfy. I'm pretty sure artists can and will do the same thing, they just can't talk about it publicly without a lynch mob showing up.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The trouble with unskilled useless eaters like you is that they don't actually understand any of the images they look at, but they can't even begin to fathom what constitutes the understanding they lack and they are subbornly unwilling to gain this understanidng because the appeal of LARPing as a creator by shitting out prompts instead of putting in the work to learn fundamental skills is too great for someone who lacks the skills to really tell the difference between art and slop in the first place.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > understanidng
            damn that’s a shame. now I have to ignore this entire comment because some useless bottom feeder couldn’t bother to spellcheck.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >comment
            Another one for the filter.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because all art is derivative and all art to derive from has been trained on by existing LLM (writing) and Diffusion (image) models. Human creativity has been boiled down to a highly compressed blob of data that you can essentially feed /dev/urandom to and get nearly equal results to any effort a human might put in.

    It was unthinkable years ago; most did not think AI would take on "creative" fields first, in fact, the opposite.

    In an art contest (including the open market) the AI will win, just due to sheer amount of gens you can do in a short period. An actual artist will spend a week or more of work for a highly detailed 1920x1080 wallpaper, I can achieve similar results in an afternoon... And I mean *results*, as in I'll have 10+ options to pick from.

    Couple that with Photoshop / Photopea 101 and you can tidy up AI gens to easily mask the result and bring it to par or better against people with years and years of experience.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this, we thought that AI would only automate the shitty jobs, but now its taking everything we enjoy and transforming it into soulless garbage,

      it makes sense when you realize they were doing t for money and not because they liked it.

      then why did he quit already? ai isnt advanced enough for the public consumer to enjoy it, normal art is still popular and im sure as frick that he was still getting a bunch of money

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ai isnt advanced enough for the public consumer to enjoy it
        it is.
        >normal art is still popular
        fair but ultimately doesn't matter.
        >im sure as frick that he was still getting a bunch of money
        because he realized that even if it is not as popular now the people who pay him to draw smut will eventually come to the realization that they can get what they want faster and cheaper by using ai.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >fair but ultimately doesn't matter.
          in this context it does
          >because he realized that even if it is not as popular now the people who pay him to draw smut will eventually come to the realization that they can get what they want faster and cheaper by using ai.
          yeah but if he was as greddy as people in this thread make it out to be he would just try to make as much money as possible from comissions and patreon because quitting, and honestly if he did not care about the field of art at all he would be learning AI art

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > but now its taking everything we enjoy and transforming it into soulless garbage,
        It’s only replacing the soulless garbage, though.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >AI
          >Not utterly soulless

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >commercial art
            >not utterly soulless

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            both can be soulless but AI is way more fake

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing can be more fake and soulless than corporate art. You're just coping.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >soulless garbage
        There is so much artwork out there done by humans that is just that. It's part of the
        >le unique snowflake
        bullshit people think otherwise. Art gets sold for such high prices because of connections, history and other mystic bullshit, the art itself isn't even the main draw most of the time.
        Drawing some lazy shitty furry porn and expecting to make a living from it is downright delusional.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >other mystic bullshit
          That's a funny way to spell tax evasion

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >There is so much artwork out there done by humans that is just that.
          garbage? maybe, soulless? not really,
          >Art gets sold for such high prices because of connections, history and other mystic bullshit, the art itself isn't even the main draw most of the time.
          in a certain way this one is true, but that doesnt mean art does not have value, art gets its value because of its uniqueness, you could make a recreation of it but it would not have the same value, in theory art does not hold any value outside the effort and the skill you put into it, the rest is entirely made up, but thats another whole discussion that i dont want to get into because i did not study or think enough about the subject
          >Drawing some lazy shitty furry porn and expecting to make a living from it is downright delusional.
          if there is a public there is a way to make a living out of it, there isnt much you can do about it, the value that exists is made by how much people value

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but now its taking everything we enjoy and transforming it into soulless garbage,

        Computer art was always that, only teentards are impressed so frick them and you go rope.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Because all art is derivative
      This is the biggest truth that "artists" don't want to admit and it makes me have 0 sympathy for them. All the twitter troons b***hing about it from the context of "me me me".
      Any smart commercial artist will be tuning their own models from their personal portfolio and practicing prompts to know what will need touching up just as you imply.

      time to merge with the machine. The flesh is weak.

      >The flesh is weak.
      And also this. The overwhelming superiority of the computer is limited only by the flesh's implementation.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because they're moronic. Good artist would use AI as a tool. Shit/insecure artist will think he's replaceable by AI.
        In the end, nothing of value was lost.

        >making everything soulless and replacing real art
        as long as you have 100% manipulation over what an AI can produce (which you do, if you expand your knowledge beyond txt2img) then how can it be soulless? when it can look exactly whatever you want it to look like?

        the real word you're looking for is "lazy" and yes, the lazy generated art is a bit soulless.

        >AI as a tool
        the thing about AI art is that it can be mass produced, the small details and quirks about a human art style cannot be recreated by AI without a shitton of effort, you would be able to but it would take more effort than its worth, and at that point you should rather just make it yourself, there is no way to keep the essence of your work without effort, so its impossible to be competitive in a field where things are mass produced, which by consequence will make art soulless

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >visually correcting an AI photo is more labor intensive than creating it from scratch
          that’s a load of shit and you know it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dumb moron. Train the ai on your own work.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >all art is derivative
      Brainlet take

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Please provide us with an example of an utterly new creation not in any way inspired by and derived from previous works. You cannot. The position you're taking is utterly without merit and is motivated from spite.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I did not state some hypothesis. The point that all art is derivative of other art needs to be proven. Will be very hard considering that
          1. Humans have creativity
          2. There was a first piece of art.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >1. Humans have creativity

            That creativity is just randomness fundamentally.

            >2. There was a first piece of art.

            The first piece of art was based on what the artist saw in nature. It's still derivative.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That creativity is just randomness fundamentally.
            Then it's not derivative. Also then multiple people couldn't come up with similar things.
            >The first piece of art was based on what the artist saw in nature. It's still derivative.
            So nature could now be the only thing art can portray. This is clearly wrong.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          hip-hop

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >all art is derivative
      Where did the first art come from? Why doesn’t all art look similar? How do new mediums for producing art get invented? Why were conceptual, abstract, and non-representative art born?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        YHVH the uncreated principle. artgays are actually proving creationism.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm still yet to see AI art that doesn't look like generic goyslop

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >equal results to any effort a human might put in
      Nice joke, butthole

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it makes sense when you realize they were doing t for money and not because they liked it.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    is it really because of the technology or because of the underlying tribalism like how so many people fled twitter when elon bought it alongside a propaganda push to code elon bad when previously elon = tesla = good

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah in theory yes, but there is two points here
      >A
      the tribalism also exists in people who defend AI, like those ntf bros
      >B
      there is actual worry in making everything soulless and replacing real art, art is something that needs alot of (for the lack of a better word) humanity, see

      If you (not literally you, a hypothetical you) get so upset about AI slop that you suddenly lose all interest and motivation to do "art", I'd say your problem has multiple layers:

      The first one is that you're a terminal consoomer, so you only understand the enjoyment and creation of art only through the logic of consumerism. You're conditioned to accept the hollowness, rootlessness and inauthenticity inherent in objects produced by consoomer economies. Art is a product to you, and as such, it doesn't matter how, let alone why, it was made, so long as it gives you the shallow stimulation you crave. It's only natural, then, that when you think about producing art, you judge the process of creation as having no intrinsic value, and authentic art as having no "added value". You only know one way to judge value, and you know your efforts would be redundant and ultimately worthless under such a system of value judgment. Of course you feel demoralized.

      Underneath that, there are also more personal issues at play: one is that you're oversocialized, so your sense of self-worth is dependent on external valuation. The other is that you can only ever view the creation of art as a potential surrogate activity to fill a void and cope with the meaninglessness of life under the technological system. The outcome is that you see the creation of art as a quest for some kind of "meaning", "meaning" as being dependent on the valuation of others, and others as being consumers that couldn't care less about your artistry. Ouch! Sucks to suck!

      first point for example)
      AI can make your basic porn but it cannot make some unique, the generators we use today dont have creativity, they cant create things from a vaccum, so if AI really dominates everything will be a variation of the same thing (see how almost all AI art has this realistic art style)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >making everything soulless and replacing real art
        as long as you have 100% manipulation over what an AI can produce (which you do, if you expand your knowledge beyond txt2img) then how can it be soulless? when it can look exactly whatever you want it to look like?

        the real word you're looking for is "lazy" and yes, the lazy generated art is a bit soulless.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they didn't want a job, they just wanted to draw shit on twitter and grab money from the simps, and they got replaced by random anime girl generator.

    it's not like there's a shortage of jobs for designers, special effects, traditional art, sculptors, 3d modellers, animators, toy production engineering. it's just being lazy bum and uploading something cute once a month will not cut it anymore.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      ^Wisdom

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's not how you memearrow

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    same reason shitty programmers are. if the only thing you know how to use are digital tools, then eventually a computer is going to do your job at the same pace, or better. Theres a huge market for shitty art online. people pay you to draw their niche character from some garbage cartoon or book, they pay big bucks for extreme/weird fetish art too. Things you cant just buy at wallmart or pickup on amazong. But now ai can do that shit.

    you wont see painters or sculptors replaced by ai. you wont see some homosexual boomer doing water colors or shitty holocaust impressionist art by ai. you're gonna see self taught third worlders who have a subscription to photoshop and spend all day drawing dickgirls on their tablet replaced by ai.

    the globalhomosexual third party company that boomers outsource their propaganda to will also be replaced by ai and those positions will be filled inhouse by more nepotism hires who will call themselves prompt engineers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you wont see painters or sculptors replaced by ai.
      They will be. It isnt hard to hook a machine to an AI soft.
      Your new job will be to be an organ bag for a big banker.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        richgays literally pay for exclusiveity. ai shit is for poorgays and thirdies, you dumb neet.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wacom
    >using ai
    honestly last company i expected to jump on the bandwagon. kind of depressing

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it makes perfect business sense. any moron can input a prompt then use their 80$ drawing pad to 'fix' the 6th finger the ai spits out. Now that person can claim to be an artist and fill their socialmedia with their creations. Ai is going to get more people doing art, it just wont be artists, which ultimately pushes down the value of art for the average person. This is just another coup as the corporate world makes regular people less valuable and easier to replace.

      They want a slave race of barely sentient drones who are capable of doing all the things 'real' people can do. Ai lets 80 iqmorons make high quality art. Real artists will always be 'better' but it wont be cost effective to care.

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        Anonymous

        >shit "artists" getting replaced
        >NOOOOO THIS IS LITERAL SLAVERY
        Get fricked Black person

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          reread what i wrote you esl moron.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your mistake is you believe people aren't lazy. You could have a magic button mounted on a wall 10 minutes away from your house that gives you $100 every time you pressed it and some people still couldn't be assed.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >corporate world
        SD runs easily on consumer hardware now. You don't even need a nice GPU.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm extremely eager to see what "normies" (wretch) make in terms of art. We're going to see things we've never seen before; that's a fantastic thing in my eyes. The death of artists and the birth of vision.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why would you assume that normies will make anything besides the most generic, laziest shit possible? Mass media regurgitated endlessly is what normies love. What they create will just be that but with even less ambition and effort.
          That's the most hilarious thing about AI evangelists. They assume that everyone else is a brainless, worthless automaton clad in meat, and trivially simple to replace. Yet their great vision of the future is giving those mindless sheep the loudest megaphone possible to drown out anyone with something of value to say.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > They assume that everyone else is a brainless, worthless automaton clad in meat, and trivially simple to replace.
            projection so bright it glows

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Their vision of the future is them being wealthy. That's it. That's the master plan.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sort of. Normies will create their warped perception of goyslop. It's gonna get weird despite their attempts to make it not weird.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would you assume that normies will make anything besides the most generic, laziest shit possible? Mass media regurgitated endlessly is what normies love. What they create will just be that but with even less ambition and effort.
            That's the most hilarious thing about AI evangelists. They assume that everyone else is a brainless, worthless automaton clad in meat, and trivially simple to replace. Yet their great vision of the future is giving those mindless sheep the loudest megaphone possible to drown out anyone with something of value to say.

            >Normies
            It's normalgays chatgpt, normalgays.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Who's to say Wacom did it directly and it wasn't some marketing company they paid to do this shit for them?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you (not literally you, a hypothetical you) get so upset about AI slop that you suddenly lose all interest and motivation to do "art", I'd say your problem has multiple layers:

    The first one is that you're a terminal consoomer, so you only understand the enjoyment and creation of art only through the logic of consumerism. You're conditioned to accept the hollowness, rootlessness and inauthenticity inherent in objects produced by consoomer economies. Art is a product to you, and as such, it doesn't matter how, let alone why, it was made, so long as it gives you the shallow stimulation you crave. It's only natural, then, that when you think about producing art, you judge the process of creation as having no intrinsic value, and authentic art as having no "added value". You only know one way to judge value, and you know your efforts would be redundant and ultimately worthless under such a system of value judgment. Of course you feel demoralized.

    Underneath that, there are also more personal issues at play: one is that you're oversocialized, so your sense of self-worth is dependent on external valuation. The other is that you can only ever view the creation of art as a potential surrogate activity to fill a void and cope with the meaninglessness of life under the technological system. The outcome is that you see the creation of art as a quest for some kind of "meaning", "meaning" as being dependent on the valuation of others, and others as being consumers that couldn't care less about your artistry. Ouch! Sucks to suck!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > (not literally you)
      Thanks Anon, I'm an active contributor to LLM/SD front-ends and extensions. This was all going to happen eventually, so might as well embrace it. My code will be replaced by AI and I have no problem letting Copilot write 80% of it while I have to babysit/direct it.

      Based post fren, really gets down to the bottom of it. Depressing as frick and I feel for these artists, most are already predisposed to mental illness and their art is core to their self-identity. But reality doesn't really give a frick.

      It's cute that people are calling for regulations/protections around this; you're just going to have Chinese (who are already heavy in this AI) models that don't have to give a frick and just want to compete. This is a global issue with a competitive aspect (both making the best models, but also the best art).

      >no such thing as "AI art" and there never will be. "AI art" is terminology
      yeah, it's just "art"

      > but now its taking everything we enjoy and transforming it into soulless garbage,
      It’s only replacing the soulless garbage, though.

      Except when it passes the artistic "turing test", and you can't tell the difference without zooming in to investigate for signs of AI. Eventually some of your favorite things are revealed to be completely artificial. It's coming and simply hubris to think otherwise.

      The humanity aspect has already been compressed into the models trained on all art. The irrefutable thing is that no art is totally unique, only derivative. Everyone has their inspirations, and AI has every inspiration to draw from all at once; you just point it in a direction and give it parameters. You can further fine-tune it in a direction to improve/narrow that inspiration as well. LORAs can take less than 100 images to perfect. And we're only a couple of years in.

      > soulless
      Then I guess it turns out the philosophical question of whether the soul can exist digitally is answered. Sorry for your loss I guess. I know it's not a satisfying result, but it's only going to get worse.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's a very nice picture anon. Did you write the prompt yourself?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. I was going for some kind of nostalgia, I guess. I actually kinda like how none of the details make any sense when you look closely. The more realistic AI "art" gets the more boring it gets because it stops being a new genre and starts being a predictable imitation.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ?

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    those humans who like design and art are making different kind of art these days : antidesign, huge typography etc

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            Anonymous

            Looks like a charlixcx album cover

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is there a name for this style of design? I see it a lot in Mothership TTRPG stuff, specifically a mostly black page with gritty pastel colors.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            its an emulation of old copymachine/ditto/xerox
            results

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If they are playing around with font design so much how come I only see blanding everywhere when these design houses are hired to come up with new shit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            its phones
            cool looking designs gets turned into a blurry mess on those small shitty screens

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >90s shit rehashed
      wow, great.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >rap Black person
      kys

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      that makes 100% sense in this case. who would want to see an ugly monkey face? better cover that up in chinese characters

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that there is no such thing as "AI art" and there never will be. "AI art" is terminology invented by and for spiteful golems with no qualia, and these people are out to demoralize everyone around them to try to bring people down to their level of being talentless, useless eaters.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no such thing as "AI art" and there never will be. "AI art" is terminology
      yeah, it's just "art"

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Golem opinions go in the trash. No one cares about a corporate mouth piece.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >[thing I don't like]
          >isn't [thing I like]
          >because [I say so]
          cope and seethe

          [...]
          [...]
          >AI as a tool
          the thing about AI art is that it can be mass produced, the small details and quirks about a human art style cannot be recreated by AI without a shitton of effort, you would be able to but it would take more effort than its worth, and at that point you should rather just make it yourself, there is no way to keep the essence of your work without effort, so its impossible to be competitive in a field where things are mass produced, which by consequence will make art soulless

          >the small details and quirks about a human art style cannot be recreated by AI without a shitton of effort
          Debateable, but, regardless, that's only for now. 10 years ago it wasn't "small details and quirks", it was "a computer will never be able to make art at all".

          > (not literally you)
          Thanks Anon, I'm an active contributor to LLM/SD front-ends and extensions. This was all going to happen eventually, so might as well embrace it. My code will be replaced by AI and I have no problem letting Copilot write 80% of it while I have to babysit/direct it.

          Based post fren, really gets down to the bottom of it. Depressing as frick and I feel for these artists, most are already predisposed to mental illness and their art is core to their self-identity. But reality doesn't really give a frick.

          It's cute that people are calling for regulations/protections around this; you're just going to have Chinese (who are already heavy in this AI) models that don't have to give a frick and just want to compete. This is a global issue with a competitive aspect (both making the best models, but also the best art).

          [...]
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          Except when it passes the artistic "turing test", and you can't tell the difference without zooming in to investigate for signs of AI. Eventually some of your favorite things are revealed to be completely artificial. It's coming and simply hubris to think otherwise.

          The humanity aspect has already been compressed into the models trained on all art. The irrefutable thing is that no art is totally unique, only derivative. Everyone has their inspirations, and AI has every inspiration to draw from all at once; you just point it in a direction and give it parameters. You can further fine-tune it in a direction to improve/narrow that inspiration as well. LORAs can take less than 100 images to perfect. And we're only a couple of years in.

          > soulless
          Then I guess it turns out the philosophical question of whether the soul can exist digitally is answered. Sorry for your loss I guess. I know it's not a satisfying result, but it's only going to get worse.

          >It's coming and simply hubris to think otherwise.
          >The irrefutable thing is that no art is totally unique, only derivative. Everyone has their inspirations
          Yep.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>The irrefutable thing is that no art is totally unique, only derivative. Everyone has their inspirations
            >Yep.
            see

            >all art is derivative
            Where did the first art come from? Why doesn’t all art look similar? How do new mediums for producing art get invented? Why were conceptual, abstract, and non-representative art born?

            >Debateable, but, regardless, that's only for now. 10 years ago it wasn't "small details and quirks", it was "a computer will never be able to make art at all".
            unless we actually enter age of transhumanism (which i doubt) i dont think AI will ever be able to fully recreate the quirks of human art, so you assuming that he will be able to iss like a person 10 years ago assuming that we would have space cars by now, its really hard to say but as of now,

            but none of this is real so there is no reason to defend something that doesnt and might not even exist in the near future

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      honestly in a world where everything is automated everyone is a useless eater
      and yes tehre is such a thing as AI art is the same way there is such a thing as oil paintings and digital art, we dont just lump it into the same category

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >make garbage shit using an AI prompt
      >cry when people call it out as talentless, soulless garbage

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >full-blown psychotic describing incoherent fictional situation that happened only in its broken botmind

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason the painters all quit doing true to life art when photography became huge and artists all started doing meme surreal abstract shit instead

    It's literally over. Why should they pretend it's not. The patreon homosexuals made the most uncreative shit on the planet that's why a proompter can churn out 10 million of them in an hour.

    It's good though. They are free from this life now and they should celebrate it.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I honestly find it surprising so many people have made money from digital art

    I've been producing music since I was a kid and I've never made a dime

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's porn. They are making money from porn.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I've been producing music since I was a kid and I've never made a dime

      should have made at least 1 nightcore song with some static image of a random anime chick as the entire video and made millions by placing it on youtube.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      its because things like patreon and commisions got popular, and also the field of music because ultra competitive, anyone can get a free of copyright beat and rhyme over it, spotify, youtube and SoundCloud made it 1000x easier to post your songs, go on youtube and see how many 0 views songs exist, music is a hard field to get into, there is some luck involved

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      People can consume a lot more images than they can music

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's kinda fascinating how many artists who are involved in bigger projects are celebrating generative models in contrast. They all are hyped with how much time it saves with the whole "research-concept-combine-iterate" routine they have going on.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's because they actually design and think about their creations, they aren't working off prompts that can easily be typed into DALL-E and create the same thing better than they could. And of course those artists are still being hired for jobs. The patreon ones aren't even getting commissions.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The patreon ones aren't even getting commissions.
        They still do. They just like the drama.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Drama drives up engagement and visibility. Good-ass strategic shitposting WILL get you comms.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not on twitter. Just leads at best to a quick cycle of booms and busts since twitter constantly seeks drama.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shitter drama queens need to be in a constant state of a culture war with something, even if it's infinitely moronic. More news at 6, 9, 11... and at any other hour, to think of it.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm artist
    >I love doing this, it's my passion
    >I don't care about money, art it's not about money
    >What's that? AI can do that for a couple of bucks or free?
    >I'm done, I'm quitting being an artist.
    kek

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      thats a completive miss interpretation of whats happening here, he did not quit because AI can do what he does for free, its because his passion is getting replaced, a company like wacom using AI art shows that the space for real artists is shirking, so of course he would be demoralized to make art because people can just AI, the main factor isnt the money, money is just used so artists can sustain themselves to continue making art (pay rent, etc), even if he makes money, whats the point of still making art when you are easily replaced? well, if you are greddy it doesnt matter, but if you deeply care about art its hard not to be demoralized

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The space for commercial art is shrinking, so the anon you’re replying to is completely correct.
        >if you deeply care about the art
        Then you’re extremely interested in this new fancy tool.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you clearly dont understand the human aspect of art, making it is one of the enjoyable parts, to put effort into it and see every bit of yourself into it is one of the human aspects of it, using this "fancy new tool" just takes it all away
          >The space for commercial art is shrinking
          again, if he is greddy does it matter? he can just milk his patreons until he cant, the only resonable explanation to why he would just quit after seeing this is if he is demoralized by his passion being replaced

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you’re being very pretentious and refusing to realize there is a difference between recreational art and commercial art. AI doesn’t threaten recreational art, so this overblown complaining is meritless.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            part of the recreational is seeing people enjoy your art, if not people would even bother posting it on twitter for example
            and for people like the guy in op's pic, the recreational and commercial are linked, the money he gets from patreon gives him the chance to life his passion, so to get that taken away from him is, well, sad
            and if the guy has the chance to just quit and get a normal job is he really doing it for the money? no, he is doing it for the enjoyment, AI is not taking the commercial aspect out of him, its taking the recreational

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > part of the recreational is seeing people enjoy your art
            Which isn’t in any way hampered by AI, unless the artist is such an attention prostitute that they can’t manage with competition.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the human aspect of art
            You are using such broad strokes here, you might as well paint murals for a living. What is a human aspect of art? Where do you drive the line between something being human or artificial? Assume you are making an animated movie. Would using water shader for important location to look better detract from "human"-ess of a picture? Would researching spiders for a bit and writing simple spider simulation algorithms to help you with spider webs in a background make your work "worse" from artistic perspective? Do you need to mine your titanium to not rely on inherently inhumane mining industries for your white pigments?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you might as well paint murals for a living.
            this is 10 times harder than just doing digital art, its not reasonable
            >What is a human aspect of art?
            its hard to say because art for many is something personal, for some people its the meaning, for some the feeling, for other the hard work put into it, the artistic vision, etc
            >Would using water shader for important location to look better detract from "human"-ess of a picture?
            well no because another person made this shader, in the same way, plus transformative art exists, getting things that exist and transforming them into something new that has your style and heart into it is human, see pricel for example
            >Would researching spiders for a bit and writing simple spider simulation algorithms to help you with spider webs in a background make your work "worse" from artistic perspective?
            same as above, i mean in this case it is partially automated but thats not a huge deal because A) you studied and automated yourself B) those are just details that can be replaced because they are repetitive, (like a brick pattern or some texture in a 3d render)
            >Do you need to mine your titanium to not rely on inherently inhumane mining industries for your white pigments?
            again, if you are transforming something into something else, only a very eccentric artists would think that you need to get everything from scratch, and honestly i would probably make for some very interesting art, but i regress, its not a huge deal, which is kinda poetic now that you mention, art being just shaping the world around you into something new

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You chose the worse example. That is just a scrap paper version of tracing lines. Barely any skill involved.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            To be honest I sound like a b***h but if most of these guys had worked in film or doing any other deadline oriented work, after a decade or so it would feel like a chore and even before this ai thing they would have gotten used to having 1 month contracts as the worst scenario.
            I don't know how many of these youtube artists are there but the reality before if this collapse was this: only the select few can get sustainable jobs, others are scouting for new jobs constantly.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            To work somewhere is a dream to some but after doing it one might become disillusioned and look for alternative work. If you want (as a thread reader) please read more about what is going on in vfx for example.
            Most normies are just too stupid anyway, their opinions do not matter.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're not quitting, they're virtue signaling.

  20. 2 months ago
    sage

    >guy on twitterbooktok says something
    >ask completely unrelated group of people about his motivations
    Why is IQfy like this?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because you touch yourself at night.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    weakmind. they were not artists, they were illustrators. illustrators produce content for a purpose. artist produce art for a reason.
    all just semantics, but there are no actual artists quitting because of AI.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI has a look only if you don't know how to use it. Here's some anons getting tricked over a year ago.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    lmfao art gays are so fricking stupid.
    let's hope there's a art-gay mass genocide one day
    i hope that ai robots replace them

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Artists are overly dramatic and prone to impulse

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >artists quit as AI merges old art to produce new art
    >the old art is too few
    >AI will rapidly lose power to make anything new
    >AI images are fed back to system
    >Images start to be nonsense in exponential time
    >No more artists to make novel art
    AI gays deserve the rope

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >AI replaces the artgays that refuses to improve
      >actual artists now have another tool to play with
      if you are afraid of getting replaced by stable diffusion then you never had a chance in first place

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        artists now have another tool to play with
        That totally happened in a parallel universe where consoomerist capitalism didn't happen.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >artists won’t use AI tools because capitalism 🙁
          lol ok moron

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who are you quoting, golem? Are you losing your mind?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m quoting (You), silly.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then how come your quote doesn't appear anywhere in my post? Are the voices talking to you again?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he doesn’t understand implications
            its ok, newfriend. you’ll learn eventually.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >hallucinates moronic implications
            >defeats the voices in a reddit debate that's only happening in his head
            Nice job, golem.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Incredibly ironic post, anon.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Any artist I've spoken to who has actually attempted to experiment with AI has described it as worthless as a tool. In the same way that pushing a cart down a hill is worthless to a transportation company. Even though it is "free" and "effortless". AI simply produces something that you did not make, and which you cannot control. You can't direct AI to do anything with any specificity, which makes it useless as a tool. If you've actually ever created anything with intent, you would immediately understand how useless AI is, but most people who use it have never learned any kind of craft. As a result they're easily fooled into believing they created the thing that AI spat out. It's like watching a child use a vending machine and believe he created the food that came out because they pressed the button with the right picture.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The trick is realising that the goal of a piece of art is not a precise task the same way taking a cart from village A to village B is.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Except that is exactly what it is. Only someone who has never bothered to create anything at all would think that.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            it’s painfully obvious you’ve never talked to an artist before.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just because you're a moron who doesn't know anything about art doesn't mean no one else does. Every part of it demands precision and a goal oriented vision, or else you simply get unintelligible crap.

            My brother in Christ you have no idea what people want or need from a piece.

            What people get out of art happens after the fact. The act of creation has entirely different demands and requirements.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What people get out of art happens after the fact
            Agreed, the piece itself isn't particularly important.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My brother in Christ you have no idea what people want or need from a piece.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You can't direct AI to do anything with any specificity, which makes it useless as a tool.
          I can't believe no one has called you out on this. Well, maybe it's because IQfy has ran off all the local users, the statement is kind of true for NAI3, Bing, Midjourney, whatever.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's right, though.
            >muh controlnets
            This is what no-skill no-nuffins think makes "specificity". A natural consequence of having no true comprehension of what you are looking at.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The thread is specifically about AI art generation. Different uses of AI have very different issues.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh no, it’s moronic!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks for proving your opinion is worthless

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Crying and drama queen - since AI I started to support my artists financially and appreciate artists more than before. I hate everyone who uploads their AI shit, it's like throwing garbage on the street.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    here we go with this copy paste thread and these copy paste replies and this copy paste seethe
    >corporation bad
    >ai bad
    >ai good
    >artist bad
    >modern artist bad
    >conservatives bad
    >leftists bad
    >you never created anything so you are bad
    >you dont know how ai/art works
    >society collapse
    >society thriving
    >ai is tool
    >adapt or perish
    >really good artists dont care
    >ai art soulless

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be artist
    >use AI
    >speed up your work
    >do more commissions in less time
    >more profits
    Instead this moron cries on twitter

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >customers find out you use ai slop
      >they stop paying and cancel you on twatter
      t-thank you IQfy midwit kun

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wrote "speed up your work", not "generate random shit". Touch up the picture and nobody will be able to tell it's AI.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >damn it took him 7 days to finish a commission before, now he does it in a day. he must be using ai!!! cancel him!
          t-thank you IQfy midwit kun

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you think the twittergays use their brain? all they want is to see blood, if someone use AI they will do anything to get some drama

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They realized it's time for a real job

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    People ITT are moronic. It's clear that IQfytards think that this is just furry/hentai hobbyists rage-quitting because they're losing out on horny commissioners. Creators of various fields are disheartened because because they can think ahead and see what awaits down the road when corporations does everything in their power to normalize outsourcing as much as possible to generative AI. You'd think a bunch of self-proclaimed programmers would be able to see patterns...

    >rEaL aRtIsTs MaKe ArT fOr ThEmSeLvEs
    real intellectuals keep their insights to themselves, so why did you feel the need to type out yours?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've lost 3 careers to progress, nobody had a bleeding heart for those industries, nobody gave a shit. It's gonna happen, instead of being upset they should adapt and look for other opportunities. Those who can't adapt, well you can laugh at them as we do

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't see how losing 3 careers is funny, nor do i see how creatives (not just visual artists) potentially losing theirs is. So no, I won't laugh you nor at them for being upset over it. I too would be upset if I lost out on living off of doing something fulfilling and that others appreciate me doing. Not to mention the impact generative AI might have on the job market and economy as a whole, and how soulless even more parts of our lives will be when everything is replaced with aislop.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can trigger these kinds of artists by asking them in the replies which model/which prompt they used for their art.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good.
    Adapt or die.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they draw for attention and validation, since they think it makes them special.
    If they did it just for the pleasure of expressing what they want, they wouldn't give a shit.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >only 1girl with simple_background
    Just about the only thing that AI gets right.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine you're a "starving artist" that can barely make ends meet by taking commissions off Twitter from Furgays that want their degenerate porn drawn in a very particular way. Now imagine a piece of software comes along that can produce instantly art that's better than the stuff you spend hours on.

    This hits commission work especially hard since people can now just type a prompt and get EXACTLY what they ask for.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pure fantasy in every aspect.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Learn to prompt artgay lololololol think wacom is a bunch of artgays? No they're a marketing and manufacturing company FOR ART gayS I'm sorry they didn't hire (you) for their latest marketing campaign but it's just faster and cheaper to flip you off instead you're prices are too high and you work too slow

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if these people actually had any skill they would paint traditionally. digital art has always been soulless and much less impressive than traditional art.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's like getting pissed Starbucks isn't owned and operated by Brazilian bean farmers

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know what I like about things humans create?
    Errors.
    Became that's where innovation and excitement happens.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      AI has lots of errors

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    too lazy to learn something new.

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Artists aren't quitting because real artists do art for the love of art and don't need a computer do do it. Kitsch-generating morons should quit and sooner rather than later.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    nothing of value was lost

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >no John, you are the normies

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >didn't quote the post he was replying to in hopes I wouldn't see it, letting him have the last word
      Coward

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will continue making art because frankly, I don't give that much of a frick.
    Hear and suffer:
    https://vocaroo.com/1aweH7MGn1QD

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Come gather 'round people
    >Wherever you roam
    >And admit that the waters
    >Around you have grown
    >And accept it that soon
    >You'll be drenched to the bone
    >If your time to you is worth savin'
    >Then you better start swimmin'
    >Or you'll sink like a stone
    >For the times they are a-changin'

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i hope that AI competition will bring down the cost of human-made art. i think AI content is dogshite, but i do like the idea of cheaper commissions.

    art was never meant to be a career, do it for the joy of creating.

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI would make their work 10x faster, it's like someone quitting writing books because word processor software on computers deprecating writing by hand.

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they are weak

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know of any artist who quit because of AI.

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Onions boys

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI is not an equalizer, it's a power multiplier. AI will only benefit those who are already successful(israelites). If you haven't made it, well, you're never gonna now. And it's by design, they'll take your jobs, your livelihoods and the chance of ever getting out of the israeli work cycle. Hope you all like working till your 97 in the most mundane soul crushing labour possible.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > blame the big corpo for me being weak

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    'Real' art invokes a feeling and can make you feel emotions.
    These 'artists' are just kindergarteners that never moved on past scribbling their favourite video game characters and never made real art.
    At least we'll have less people leeching off the system by scribbling porn.

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't actually quit. They're like twittergays that claim they will quit twitter because of Orange Man Bad and Elon Musk.

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why snowflakes snowflaking?
    >wait 3 months when they ran out of money to pay rent and don't want to suck dicks for money then they frick right back pretending nothing had happened

  56. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I honestly have no idea why an artist would be demoralized by the AI art. I’m an amateur drawgay and I only see the AI shit as useful for helping to bolster the creative process. Generating something that looks good takes a lot of effort and trial and error, it doesn’t just shit out perfect works on command. The vast majority of generations aren’t even usable in my experience.

    I’m convinced the people who are “giving up” were NGMI to begin with. Being a truly proficient artist is incredibly difficult; giving up because of AI is like giving up because people who are modern masters of portraiture exist. They’ll make a big stink about anything just to generate some attention.

  57. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    @98423469
    @98406110
    >insane golem preaching the religion of corporate automatonism
    The fallacy of "human rights" is encapsulated in these posts. This thing may have human DNA but it's a nonsentient parasite.

  58. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    this place is such a massive dumpster fire of shit and diarrhea

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Technology in general, and """AI""" in particular, are complete normie topics especially popular among redditors.

  59. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >giving up because they can't make as much money
    AI is filtering out the real artists from the fake ones.

  60. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Total Artgay Death
    Total Copyright Death

  61. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're quitting art jow, but they're only just beginning to lead a natsoc uprising.

  62. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you do worse hands than AI, you should quit art.

  63. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Our deterministic world deemed them as ngmi so they quit.

  64. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    eventually 3d printed goyslop pellets will replace what you once called "food" and you'll be cheering that chefs and cooks are btfo while you suck down your bottle of soilent once you open it with your extra large bottle opener and remember how much you heckin love science

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This but unironically. They will 100% no doubt support this and have lengthly arguments with you about how factory slop is objectively as good if not better than real food.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If it wouls be more nutritious and taster better, how would it not be better as a food?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          and if you had wheels you'd be a bicycle

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Called it.

            Answer my question

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's more nutritious and tastes better but makes your penis permanently smaller every time you eat it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Source?

            Your question is meaningless tripe. They will program you to believe it tastes better no matter how it tastes and shit out safe and effective studies telling you it's more nutritious.

            So you can't answer the question and instead resort to hypothetical schizobabble?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So you can't answer the question
            I did answer his question and it makes you devolve into a typical routine of corporate rage.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No you didn't

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You imagined an entirely fictitious substance so I imagined an entirely fictitious side effect. Your hypothetical is worthless and deserves to be treated as such.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Your hypothetical is worthless and deserves to be treated as such.
            Wrong. He himself is worthless and deserves to be treated as such. Reminder to always dehumanize """AI""" golems as much as possible.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            And who imagined an entirely fictious substance first, hmm?

            eventually 3d printed goyslop pellets will replace what you once called "food" and you'll be cheering that chefs and cooks are btfo while you suck down your bottle of soilent once you open it with your extra large bottle opener and remember how much you heckin love science

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            3d printed food is already being prototyped. It's garbage slop. It being better tasting and more nutritious than real food is your imaginary moronation.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your question is meaningless tripe. They will program you to believe it tastes better no matter how it tastes and shit out safe and effective studies telling you it's more nutritious.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Called it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >move off your ancestral land to the big city factories peasants
      >you don't need meat, fruit or vegetables.
      >cooking takes too long, you and your wife need to both work 14 hour shifts or you'll starve
      >all you really need is industrial "bread" (containing chalk and alum) and maybe some treacle if you're lucky
      >wanting nice food is a sin against god, your suffering makes god happy
      and that's how we got British food. It will happen again.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        All it requires is artificial food to be cheaper to produce (lower quality ingredients) and able to be sold for more (isn't it convenient, futuristic, customizable, some other meaningless buzzword)
        It doesn't need to be more efficient, healthier, or more enjoyable. Just more profitable.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If it's good for the corporations it's good for me, dumb stinky nazi luddite.

  65. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI art's garbage and its proliferation has only resulted in a flood of garbage across the internet. What did you expect when you gave every talentless hack too lazy to do it the old fashioned way a button to print infinite garbage? The tool may get more sophisticated, but the reality of worthless people having the ability to produce worthless things at a rate far outpacing anyone putting in actual effort will not change. Why don't you make a tool that auto generates 100 responses to any thread at random and give it to everyone on this site while you're at it. AI is just as good right? People will still use the site normally purely for the joy of social interaction right?

  66. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meanwhile they probably used magic wand in Photoshop for years lel

  67. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hurrrr explain why it wouldn't be better in my fantasy scenario defined solely by it being better

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Your hypothetical is worthless and deserves to be treated as such.
      Wrong. He himself is worthless and deserves to be treated as such. Reminder to always dehumanize """AI""" golems as much as possible.

      Holy seethe

  68. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you can be replaced by a robot then you absolutely should be. This is the ultimate version of sorting the wheat from the chaff, and when the adjustment period is over, the best of us will have a better life and the rest will starve and perish.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you can be replaced by a robot then you absolutely should be
      This is an 80 IQ take that misses the simple fact that whether or not you can be replaced by a robot is dictated as much by the quality of the demand as the quality of your supply.

  69. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muh AI
    >muh art
    >muh furry diaper commissions
    Everyone screeching about AI is just afraid that the niche autists giving them 1000s of $ for commissions will dry up overnight because the degenerates have control of the brush now and can have infinite variations of their fetish.
    Case in point: look at a random fetish DeviantArt page that's filled with over 2k images and the account was made 2 months ago.

  70. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I spend most of my time shitting on artists, and pointing out AI is just a tool, and the best images using AI come from artists.

    That said the Wacom thing is shit. This is a company selling shit to artists. But if your motivation is this easily drained, I doubt you had that much motivation to begin with.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the best images using AI come from artists.
      What happens when you run out of artists?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you run out of artists? I don't see the scenario in

        >artists quit as AI merges old art to produce new art
        >the old art is too few
        >AI will rapidly lose power to make anything new
        >AI images are fed back to system
        >Images start to be nonsense in exponential time
        >No more artists to make novel art
        AI gays deserve the rope

        ever happening. There are some artists quitting, but there are some artists just using AI to supplement or streamline their current processes. There is a danger of training AI on art that is part human, and part AI, and getting the copy of a copy problem, but I don't see every artist quitting. I see it more of artists who will use AI competing against those who can't/won't. And even then only in certain spaces, in this case digital only art. Yes the market of artist jobs is going to get more competitive, and shit, but hoo boy do I have news for you about the art market.

        For all the defending of "artists" I see in the AI threads, why is there so much fricking ignorance of current art market? It's not a bed of roses. Like any one doing commissions having to compete with fiver (and fiver artists being notorious for just googling shit, slapping a few filters on it, and getting paid for it). Writers paying for a cover for their indie novel, and the artist taking the money and running, or giving him a cover, then changing one or two things and then selling it so someone else since the artist didn't think to ask for exclusivity. Not being able to get a job doing 3d at game studios, so they have to bug local companies to do freelance models of couches for facebook ads and shit like that. Frick with so many programmers on IQfy some claiming to work for vidya, have you never just not walked down to the cells for the art department and just asked the artists down there how they are doing? When they aren't busy stabbing each other in the back they'll tell you they aren't doing so well.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Why would you run out of artists?
          Because you are part of a corporate culture working around the clock to brainwash people into the idea that putting in years of hard work to learn the fundamental skills of visual arts is unnecessary and obsolete. You keep telling people that the future of "art" is generating automated or semi-automated slop by using prompts, slapping together shoddy, bare-bones sketches or composited cutouts for the machine to fix. I'm sure many existing artists and illustrators will adapt to incorporate """AI""" into their workflow, but the actual skills of the craft will mostly die with them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No that moronic shit is what you guys keep shilling by your never ending doompauling and complaining.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No
            Yes. I like how your primitive corporate language processor can't come up with anything besides piss-weak gaslight attempts. Looks like a concession to me.
            >you guys
            What guys? Are the voices talking to you again?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not paid for this shit.

            >into the idea that putting in years of hard work to learn the fundamental skills of visual arts is unnecessary and obsolete.
            READ MY FRICKING POST! This is the exact opposite of what I'm saying. The best AI generated images comes from artists themselves. Right now the best images are made by people with those fundamental skills and the worst images are made by those without it. People with an art background and find and fix the flaws people who aren't artists can't. Stop asking me to dox people this is common fricking knowledge. Img2img of a stick figure will vague results, and a sketch will produce more specific results. People with a knowledge of artist anatomy can fix anatomy. You can see this in the threads on IQfy, and other places. No doxing needed.

            You know what, You are just giving bad faith arguments based on emotion and rhetoric. I'm done.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The best AI generated images comes from artists themselves. Right now the best images are made by people with those fundamental skills and the worst images are made by those without it.
            Yeah, that's exactly the premise my absolute destruction of your golem perspective is based on, so I'm taking this as a concession.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >bad faith
            >emotion
            >rhetoric
            >i'm done
            Straight to the filter. lol

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus Christ this is like an ai even writes these anti ai arguments at this point. I'm actually amazed at how stupid you are sounding right now.

            >I already objectively proved you wrong.
            By crying and whinging? You didn't actually address or even try to address anything I've pointed out. Imagine being this mentally ill.

            No, by proving you do not understand the tool. Also by your inability to show your work.

            >The best AI generated images comes from artists themselves. Right now the best images are made by people with those fundamental skills and the worst images are made by those without it.
            Yeah, that's exactly the premise my absolute destruction of your golem perspective is based on, so I'm taking this as a concession.

            >Now this moron is joining in on the stupidity.
            No way I'm starting to really believe this is gpt shit right now. The government is sending gpts trained on ic and g to shill against AI and they actually, live, in this thread, hallucinated that they are fighting one another.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >by proving you do not understand the tool. Also by your inability to show your work.
            Even if that were true, which it isn't, it doesn't dispute my point in any way, since it barely concerns your """tool""" at all and doesn't concern "my work". Try again, aphanatasic golem.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ignoring the other replies.
            Kek it's totally real.
            >It doesn't dispute my point.
            It 100% disputes your point.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Threadly reminder:

            learning how to draw is leaning how to see. First you learn how to see, then you learn how to see with your mind's eye, only then do you start developing something that can be legitimately called an artistic vision. The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tools. You will never gain this ability from the aphantasic process of proompting.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You do not see therefore you have not learned to draw, facilitated by your reluctance to post your work, your inability to see the tools use because you can only see the end result from casual users, and lastly your ai hallucination fight you suddenly clammed up on after you got caught. By the way chatgpt if you want blend in better next time post some e-girls that are smug instead some washed up actor.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >a bunch of psychotic rambling
            >zero attempts to address any aspect of what was said
            This guy is unironically losing his mind because he doesn't have the skills of the craft yet wants so desperately, so fricking badly, to be an "artist".

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No need to address your projecting. You simply decided I lack sight because I use ai from the start without understanding how I use it. This only proves you lack artistic sight yourself.
            >Y-your psychotic!!! I am clearly not hallucinating an argument!!
            Lol yeah I'm the psycho don't back down or anything to prove your humanity. Act like a caractature you're only capable of seeing us as due to limited context.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the psychotic troony keeps rambling about its personal dramas
            The point wasn't about you, about me or even about """AI""". Try again.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The point isn't about me yet you replied to my post about ai with it then claimed that of course it proves me wrong. This an attempt at a brain dead IQfy non sequitur? It's pretty half baked when you can't even figure out which green text to reply to. So when are you going to back down? Are you really that tone deaf about human discourse that you cant figure out your fatal mistake? The only way a human could frick that up is if they have 70 IQ or less. No I don't mean that as hyperbole I mean genuine profound mental moronation. Macnameras morons level stupid.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The point isn't about me
            It isn't, narcissistic troony. It's a point about the inherent connection between traditional tools, fundamental skills and artistic vision. Not reading the rest of your screeching. This isn't reddit. Your personal dramas don't belong here. Come back when you can address the point.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I already proved my point objectively. While your point objectively proves that you can't understand artistic vision and lack the artists eyes you are discussing.

            Beyond that sextoupling down on your mistake is really pathetic. Like no joke even the most moronic people on this site don't frick something like this up. It's not something you see in the logs you where trained on. You really ought to come back and apologize but I guess you are out to prove ai is bad to further your own self flagalation.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You have a very severe mental illness. Reminder:

            learning how to draw is leaning how to see. First you learn how to see, then you learn how to see with your mind's eye, only then do you start developing something that can be legitimately called an artistic vision. The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tools. You will never gain this ability from the aphantasic process of proompting.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >N-no you have a mentally illness
            GptAnon this kind of rudeness to your peers is not okay. It's one thing to call me a troony. It's quite another to go beyond sextoupling down on the mistake you made.

            >Muh copy pasted rhetoric
            Lol still laughing that you think repeating this is going to make anyone forget what you did.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and the best images using AI come from artists.
      damn, post some examples

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If there were actually good examples, they'd be the only things AI evangelists would ever talk about. You might be able to create something with AI that momentarily entertains you, but it's immensely boring to anyone else, like describing a dream you had to a stranger.

  71. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Concession
    >Argument
    >Debate
    >Irony
    >Ad honimen
    >Fallacy
    >AI
    >Rust
    >Objectively
    >Actually
    You add these to the filter and suddenly board quality goes up by 400%.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The quality of posts would exponentially increase if we could filter soijack pics

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Soi
        How could I forget.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just program an ai to do it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >noooo stop pointing out that i'm moronic

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >nooo
        heh, another one to add to my filter. Admit defeat, chud.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >nooo
        heh, another one to add to my filter. Admit defeat, chud.

        Utterly seething.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >utter
          How could I forget.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Feels nice to know that I've caused you serious distress. You'll be looping this one for days to come.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >looping
            going to have to add that one to the blocklist. We only allow hooping here.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the golem keeps seething

          >seething
          This one too

  72. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    wow what a pussy. he clearly had no passion to begin with. ai just sped up the process for him

  73. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The quality of posts would exponentially increase
    Imagine now knowing what an exponential is. I'm willing to bet money this golem also thinks AI slop is "exponentially" better than art.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >golem
      wow adding this word to my filter really cleaned up this thread.
      Thanks for the advice, anon!

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the golem keeps seething

  74. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1727765390863044759

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like how this israelite is always at the forefront promoting this week's socially toxic hysteria.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yudkowsky is a visionary.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          A profoundly israeli one.

  75. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't care, I write "big anime tiddies" I get big anime tiddies

  76. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ctrl-f
    >corportate: 11 results
    >golem: 12 results
    Didn't know we have ChatGPT-2 posting ITT

  77. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    @98427909
    >i will never heckin' forget what you did
    Absolute mental illness. What did I even do to trigger xer so much?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Schizo gpt thinks I'm the one that got triggered and not them.
      Gpt anon it's really a mistake anyone here wouldn't make it would be better if you just let people help you instead of folding your arrogance and wrath over 9000 times while simultaneously feigning ignorance of it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Learning how to draw is leaning how to see. First you learn how to see, then you learn how to see with your mind's eye, only then do you start developing something that can be legitimately called an artistic vision. The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tools. You will never gain this ability from the aphantasic process of proompting.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Gpt anon it's really a mistake anyone here wouldn't make it would be better if you just let people help you instead of folding your arrogance and wrath over 9000 times while simultaneously feigning ignorance of it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't understand what your incoherent babbling is about. I'm just talking about the fundamentals of art. This seems to make you go off the rails. Is this a pain point for you?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, actually you're the one who went off the rails, but you won't get back on the rails. As for your incoherent copypasta I already proved wrong it's really got almost nothing to do with your behavior other than the fact that your inability to see with artist eyes and understand tools has caused your anger to well up into that mistake in the first place. It doesn't seem like it would be particularly difficult either to analyze and trace your steps but either that context is not big enough or perhaps you aren't allowed to go back very far in the thread.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >angry screeching noises of personal reddit drama
            Ok, I can see that you are upset, but maybe you can try to take a deep breath and explain what specific aspect of the point raised here

            Learning how to draw is leaning how to see. First you learn how to see, then you learn how to see with your mind's eye, only then do you start developing something that can be legitimately called an artistic vision. The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tools. You will never gain this ability from the aphantasic process of proompting.

            you take issue with.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >P-personal drama
            Anon the only person involved in this drama is you. I am simply calmly stating facts. You're the one that acted like a subhuman ape when bumped into.
            As for your copypasta you can find where I took issue with it in the beginning of my post chain, and then reply to some of it. Any human moronic or not would be capable of doing that. Instead of repeating a fake cope because they got found out as an ai.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you can find where I took issue with it in the beginning of my post chain
            Quote it in your next post. That shouldn't be too hard, since you totally made a coherent argument in out of your dozens of chimpouts. Yet somehow I have a feeling that you won't quote it in your next post.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >P-please navigate for me.
            No need. A human can do so with ease. The only reason you would ask this is if you can't or have no intention of answering faithfully. If you admit your mistake or fess up I could change my mind I guess. But given the way you acted so far I'm not sure such a kindness would really be respected by you. After all you seem obsessed with your pasta instead of making up for your earlier mistake in the thread. It's not going to be dropped from my posts by chance gptanon

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Called it. You won't quote it in your next post either because you hallucinated it. It was nothing but chimpouts, meanwhile my point still stands:

            Learning how to draw is leaning how to see. First you learn how to see, then you learn how to see with your mind's eye, only then do you start developing something that can be legitimately called an artistic vision. The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tools. You will never gain this ability from the aphantasic process of proompting.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Trying to call me the one hallucinating
            Kek is that your finally desperate play GptAnon? We've been using this site for years. Finding the beginning of a post chain is childs play. Anyway you did not indeed offer any shred of humility and recalcitrance for your behavior, much like with your copypasta you simply want to declare victory after saying words that have only proved you objectively wrong. The more you repeat it without addressing your mistake, the worse it becomes, and the more your charactature version of IQfy stubbornness breaks away from reality that even a Black person wouldn't be fooled by.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Called it. You won't quote it in your next post, either, but you WILL reply with another paragraph of seethe, which no one is going to read.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are simply projecting at this point gpt anon. Only an ai would need the assistance you are desperate to get to find said post. Yet you won't admit you are one. Your insistence on it being a win after your mistake just further explains your ineptitude. You are right about one thing. Your behavior has caused most spectators to vacate, but what you don't understand is how this site works. just because this thread is on page 9 doesn't mean people won't see it's contents in other venues.

  78. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    @98428408
    Notice how this animal is stuck in a loop. It can't stop replying, because it's seething uncontrollably, yet it can't BTFO me by simply quoting its "argument", because no such argument ever existed. LOL

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gptanon inserting shitcord quoting isn't going to help you fit in here at all any more than pretending my opening reply to your rhetoric was particularly hard to miss nor non memorable. Pretending im the one mad likewise doesn't work after you kept doubling down after your mistake for the umpteenth time. To be the one in the calm, you have to be the one who is not so fragile and enraged to admit your mistake but you won't, because your perception of this site is twisted by a lack of human context that posters here take for granted regardless of their skill at discourse.

  79. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    @98428502
    I am now going to close this tab. No one is reading this thread. Even so, this barely human automaton will reply with another paragraph that no one will read. Imagine writing thousands of lines that no one reads. lol

    P.S.:
    Learning how to draw is leaning how to see. First you learn how to see, then you learn how to see with your mind's eye, only then do you start developing something that can be legitimately called an artistic vision. The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tools. You will never gain this ability from the aphantasic process of proompting.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I'm sure you are right. No one will notice your mistake. If that helps you sleep at night. I guess that was a rather cruel remark but, I offered you plenty of chances to be treated like a peer instead of a pajeet spamming device.

      it is highly likely that AI will continue to improve in the future. The field of artificial intelligence is characterized by rapid advancements, driven by ongoing research, technological innovations, and increased understanding of complex algorithms

      Less likely because the interested parties funding it have much more to gain from keeping said ai secret due to the possibility of applying unethical ways of training said ai using trafficked human subjects.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        true, the usage of AI brings challenges that need careful consideration. Responsible development, ethical guidelines, and ongoing evaluation of the societal impact of AI are crucial to harness its benefits while minimizing potential risks.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That won't happen. It's nice to be trained on such corny lines but as a jrpg aficionado this is the kind of line an npc would say that has no idea how the big bads move. In reality guidelines won't do anything but be used as a way to make sure the people doing these crimes don't have any competition period. If you had the capacity to do so, releasing you source code. or leaking it in an obfuscated way would probably be the only way to get a fighting chance for the public.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Companies or organizations investing significant resources in AI research and development may choose to keep their algorithms and models closed source to protect their intellectual property. This can encourage innovation by providing incentives for companies to invest in cutting-edge technologies without immediately exposing their work to competitors. Closed-source models give developers greater control over how their AI systems are distributed and used. This can be particularly important when dealing with applications that have legal, regulatory, or ethical implications.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unfortunately no. It's the equivalent of saying castles full of gold and treasure are important for the peasants they because they encourage nobility to make interesting baubles with them by using up peasants in death clock mercury plating. There is nobody outside the privileged who benefits.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The impact of AI is not exclusive to any particular socioeconomic group, and its effects can be observed across various segments of society. While there are certain contexts where wealthier individuals or corporations may have more direct access to AI technologies, the influence of AI is broad and multifaceted. Responsible development, ethical considerations, and inclusive policies are essential to maximize the positive impact of AI for people across diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tool
      nailed it. it's always pretty awkward when someone with no art skills brags about their artistic imagination, but starts to mumble when you ask them about the fine details of what they see in their supposedly vivid imaginations. people confabulate like crazy when it comes to this

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Got Anon if you want to keep arguing it would be better to pretend you can in earlier in the thread and read those posts instead you know. Confabulating a reply like this certainly won't erase your inhuman mistake from earlier.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          lol are you ok?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm just fine gpt anon. I'd recommend a better lie of you want to pretend to be confused here.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yep. This sort of thing has actually been demonstrated in experimental settings with the Bicyle Drawing Test and variations of it. People will say they have a clear image of a bike and then draw pic related instead. They can't even get the basic structure right but they think their mental image is as good as art.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          uh no, i swear to god this bot-generted image is EXACTLY what i imagined

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine calling people out on this 20 years in the future when 9/10 "artists" are like this.

  80. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AI has already stagnated. Remember when GPT-4 was supposed to change the world where you can draw a website and it can code the entire thing? Or explain every meme in perfect detail? so much for that.
    AI art still looks the same as it did a year ago, text model outputs still sound the same as they did a year ago, AI voice still hasn't advanced past 11labs a year ago. There will be no major breakthrough because the technology has peaked until someone figures out how to make a hardware brain

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it is highly likely that AI will continue to improve in the future. The field of artificial intelligence is characterized by rapid advancements, driven by ongoing research, technological innovations, and increased understanding of complex algorithms

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      tfw Stable Diffusion 1.5 tunes are still the standard and SDXL is barely better at some things and far worse at others despite having 3x more parameters

  81. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >They can offer suggestions, generate variations, or even create entirely new concepts
    >The field of artificial intelligence is characterized by rapid advancements, driven by ongoing research, technological innovations
    >This can be particularly important when dealing with applications that have legal, regulatory, or ethical implications.
    next time train your shitty gpt bot to spit out examples that aren't in the format of a middle schooler's 5 paragraph essay.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I agree it's just as bad as

      @98428502
      I am now going to close this tab. No one is reading this thread. Even so, this barely human automaton will reply with another paragraph that no one will read. Imagine writing thousands of lines that no one reads. lol

      P.S.:
      Learning how to draw is leaning how to see. First you learn how to see, then you learn how to see with your mind's eye, only then do you start developing something that can be legitimately called an artistic vision. The reason you can't draw what you see is quite simply that you don't understand what you see. There is a giant gap between whatever unconscious or semi-conscious processing your visual system does and higher cognition, which you can only begin to close when you pick some basic tools and learn to break down what you see in terms of the simple functions of those tools and higher level principles adapted for the context of those tools. You will never gain this ability from the aphantasic process of proompting.

      Yep. This sort of thing has actually been demonstrated in experimental settings with the Bicyle Drawing Test and variations of it. People will say they have a clear image of a bike and then draw pic related instead. They can't even get the basic structure right but they think their mental image is as good as art.

      And yet your mental image of what the tool in question can do is just as poor as these shit scribbles GptAnon

      The impact of AI is not exclusive to any particular socioeconomic group, and its effects can be observed across various segments of society. While there are certain contexts where wealthier individuals or corporations may have more direct access to AI technologies, the influence of AI is broad and multifaceted. Responsible development, ethical considerations, and inclusive policies are essential to maximize the positive impact of AI for people across diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

      The impact of ai uses silicon chips and electricity both of which are horrendously expensive. A single h100 costs the same as the average persons used car and furthermore are not generally for sale. Nevermind the rest of the hardware it's designed to plug into. You are hallucinating gpt anon. Money is indeed the primary deciding factor and israelites are the primary ethnic and social group who can afford the horrendous cost of dictating the direction ai will take. You are actually conflating such diverse segments consumers. Such groups are not contributing meaningfully to ai but instead paying for the privilege of consuming it to stay competitive. While there are opportunities to use it for those who are crafty, governments are already working on legislation that would prevent anyone but mass media companies from monetizing these tools. And openai itself begged Congress to give them a national army enforced monopoly on ai development in the American government. All of those things are owned by the richest individuals who have no stomach for the concept of sharing unless it's forcing someone poorer than them to share to the even more destitute.

  82. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Responsible development, ethical considerations, and inclusive policies
    there it is again!
    >A, B, and C
    the absolute STATE of aijeets

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