Why are "spiritual but not religious" people taken less seriously than religious people?

Why are "spiritual but not religious" people taken less seriously than religious people? Is it because of the association with things like astrology, or is it because the religious simply have stronger brand recognition? Maybe something else entirely?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"spiritual but not religious"
    Wh*te wo*men phenomena

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lack of any meaningful or cohesive thought.
    >I believe that Jesus died for our sins and we exist to spread the word of him and glorify his name
    This is straightforwards, it has tenants and (even if sometimes ignored) a set of rules under which to act

    >I feel like there’s something bigger put there and that someone is watching over us and it wants us to do good
    It’s vague and comes across as a cope by areligious people who can’t reconcile the flaws they see in codified religions with their need for some source of security and a place to ascribe blame for problems.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would spirituality have to be tied to some ethical or pragmatic framework though? For instance, I'd say the Lovecraftian idea that what we perceive as reality is just some veneer of rationality superimposed over a fundamentally insane world governed by powers we can't possibly understand is a form of spirituality.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        And yet there still would be no way to meaningfully interact with you about your “spirituality” than saying “wow that’s crazy”. It’s ultimately as meaningful as not believing anything at all. If I believe that how does my life change? Do I have to follow new rules? Do I have to carry out new actions? No, it’s simply a vague idea of reality with no bearing on anything. If I as an Atheist suddenly “discovered” that I wouldn’t change any aspect of my life, while if I suddenly “discovered” Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, or Roman Polytheism I would change my life as I have rules to follow and acts to carry out, whether it’s shouting Jesus’ name from the rooftops, praying towards Mecca, or sacrificing animals to Zeus.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          But that's the crux of my question, isn't it? Why is spirituality viewed negatively if it doesn't have an associated normative framework or a clear utilitarian function aside from maybe the aesthetic?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why is spirituality viewed negatively
            Abrahamics demonize it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, they don't. A lot of the "spiritual but not religious" may be Christian in their own way too. Christians aren't some redneck caricature from TV. You should shut that stuff off, since they try to brainwash people on every subject.
            A big portion of those "New Age" types. i.e. New Thought or Unitarian Universalists are Christians. Those hippy crystal ladies like Marianne Williamson? She's a Unity preacher who believes in Jesus. But she wouldn't hurt a fly.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're literally doing it in this thread, moron lol.

            Lack of any meaningful or cohesive thought.
            >I believe that Jesus died for our sins and we exist to spread the word of him and glorify his name
            This is straightforwards, it has tenants and (even if sometimes ignored) a set of rules under which to act

            >I feel like there’s something bigger put there and that someone is watching over us and it wants us to do good
            It’s vague and comes across as a cope by areligious people who can’t reconcile the flaws they see in codified religions with their need for some source of security and a place to ascribe blame for problems.

            Godless spirituality is for people who want the blessings that come from worshipping God without having to worship God. So they use shortcuts like doing witchcraft and using spells and enchantments or invoking and consulting spirits through magical prayers or seeking forbidden knowledge or setting up altars or shrines. They usually just end up possessed by a demon who uses them for their wicked purposes while tricking them into thinking they are being enlightened and then they go insane.

            >may be Christian in their own way too.
            Christians demonize each other constantly. This is a history board, ma'am.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >yet there still would be no way to meaningfully interact with you about your “spirituality” than saying “wow that’s crazy”. It’s ultimately as meaningful as not believing anything at all
          I don’t care, it’s not for you or any social scoring points. It’s about what resonates with me.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      nice strawman of what spirituality is. Religion is a subtype of spirituality

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What about using NDEs as a religion aka saying you go to a hell of your own mind if you hurt others until you reach out to God then you go to a life review where you experience all the harm you caused to others than enter heaven for years with your soul group then reincarnate with the soul group and then the process begins again

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Godless spirituality is for people who want the blessings that come from worshipping God without having to worship God. So they use shortcuts like doing witchcraft and using spells and enchantments or invoking and consulting spirits through magical prayers or seeking forbidden knowledge or setting up altars or shrines. They usually just end up possessed by a demon who uses them for their wicked purposes while tricking them into thinking they are being enlightened and then they go insane.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

      >Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dont trust a man who asks you to believe in him instead of the Almighty. What if his father is a Devil?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Deism is personal recognizion. It has no rituals, no ceremony, no tradition and needs none. It makes no sense to attempt to form a community around it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Deism doesn’t make sense
      So yeah

      How can something all powerful die or just stop caring about his creation

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >How can something all powerful just stop caring about his creation
        By no longer caring about his creation? How is caring about his creation a mark of power? Also it’s generally less he stopped caring and more he let it loose after creating it like leaving a game of Crusader Kings on observer mode.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I always found this idea really weird. Theists will always say that god has reasons for XYZ that we can't comprehend and you just have to deal with it, but then they project human ideas like "a god must care for his creation" onto him. His ways are not our ways until it becomes inconvenient for the theistic arguments.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Christians don't make sense.
        >God has a plan for everyone, and you're fulfilling your part
        >but you have free will
        >but if you pray, God will help you
        >but God helps those, who help themselves
        Make up your fricking mind. Either God has a plan, and there's nothing you can do about it, and that means you really don't have free will. Or he doesn't have a plan, and you have free will, and you can pray for change, and God will help you if you work for it.
        I don't know why the deist's claim about a disinterested God makes less sense. We already have parents that neglect their kids or have kids for trendy reasons. There was that social media influencer couple, that adopted a kid, and then returned the kid after they realized they didn't like parenting.
        Why couldn't it be the same for a God? God thought it was going to be super cool and awesome, and then realized that people are lame, and God didn't want to deal with us anymore.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are NDE communities.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's the favoured term used by hipsters.

    Also, most of the time, despite saying they are open-minded and unique, you hear the most cliche opinions in history.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ask any one who claims such what the hell
    >"spiritual but not religious"
    actually means and you will see they are almost invariably fuzzy headed idiots without any real, well-formed thoughts at all. The devout might, and frequently are, the same but at least they have somethign rigid indoctrinated into them to give some shape to their moronic mutterings.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There isn't a clarity of what they even mean and few are interested in asking them further. They just leave them be. With a more clear creed, others might dialogue.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This site is packed with too much autism and tightwads to grasp the idea of spirituality being vague and abstract instead of a written list of rules they have to follow.
    I get a deep sense of spirituality from nature and the cosmos, along with music, don’t belong to an organized religion.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you are spiritual but not religious, it just means you believe in the supernatural but don't obey the rules set down by the supernatural.
    personally I believe in the Christian God but I don't obey his laws of rituals, because I think that God is an butthole.
    Just like how Christians believe in the existence of Satan, but refuse to follow Satan, I believe in God but refuse to follow God.

    simple as

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would u need to do the rituals anyways? He demolished the temple and eradicated the high priests and youre not an israelite living in the land he promised their ancestors so why would u need to perform the rituals designed to remind them of that covenant?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        i don't know, but if you ask Christians, they have a lot of rituals they still do and lots of rules they follow.

        it's a mystery

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think disenchantment with organized religions.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    In my experience, it's because it's either just going off pure vibes or a cope for people who are actually religious but don't want to be associated with fundies.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >spiritual but religious
    That means the person wants to be understood as enlightened, but doesn't want accountability of having consistent beliefs.
    If you're a certain Christian denomination, there's clear rules about what you do and don't believe. Some people want to be respected like a religious person, but also be able to change their mind about anything, at anytime, for any reason. But also receive no communal backlash for it.
    It's known as "eating your cake and having it too".

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t tell people unless they ask. You Christians don’t follow your own rules by the way.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be able to change their mind
      Yeah, doubling down on it being true that a man walked on water 2000 years ago and never changing your mind about it is cooler

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >respected like a religious person
      Who actually respects religious people more than nonreligious people in currentyear?

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >spiritual but not religious
    This is literally the description of a demon. Religion is giving to God that which He is owed, namely worship. According to James 2:19, demons believe in God, but they don't worship Him. They are also spiritual beings. Therefore, "spiritual but not religious" describes demons.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Religious
    You were indoctrinated into this belief system, likely from the time of your birth, by your family and friends. If this isn't the case odds are the religion provided you with some sort of community or sense of fulfillment that dragged you in. This is understandable and most atheist and agnostics will share this experience. Hell, even people from other religions will be surprisingly tolerant at times. Commitment and dedication are attractive features even if you don't always agree with what people have chosen to commit themselves too.

    >Spiritual
    You have decided to devote time and energy to irrational belief systems that you're not even seriously dedicated to. It's not clear if this provides any of the benefits organized religion does other than self fulfillment, so you basically found a way to get high on your own moronation without actually committing to anything. Probably less harmful on society than having hard core beliefs that are anti-social/repressive, but damn if it just seems like half assed bullshit. Astrology being dumb probably doesn't help.

    I feel like if I were of a more generous mind I would probably say that having a flexible perception of the divine is probably better than blinding adhering to shit that just doesn't work, but after spending time fighting off two decades of religious indoctrination and guilt I have no time for people trying to tell me that the stars matter.

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