Why are there no clearnet marketplaces specifically made to buy and sell goods with crypto?

Why are there no clearnet marketplaces specifically made to buy and sell goods with crypto? Is there some regulation stopping companies from only accepting digital currencies?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What are the advantages of such a thing?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no need to depend on paypal/stripe/banked payment processor.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is rarely if ever a problem for legitimate businesses. It can be, but "what if PayPal shits out" is not a consideration for 99% of people.

        >What are the advantages of such a thing?
        They work as currencies and not speculative investments? I mean peril the thought they might have an actual use for their intended purpose: transactions.

        That benefits the cryptocurrencies, sure, but as a businessman what advantage do I gain from exclusively targeting crypto?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >That benefits the cryptocurrencies, sure, but as a businessman what advantage do I gain from exclusively targeting crypto?
          Apologies, I misinterpreted your statement.

          It would fracture the market. You want to maximise the number of different methods of payment to capture market share. Sure you could make a crypto only market, but then you're dealing with many, many cryptocurrencies and different payment processing platforms. It could be an ideological statement (which attracts a particular identity - those who identify with being crypto users) but the same issue remains: market share.

          If this isn't a satisfactory reasoning then I can try to address it further if you like.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Why are there no clearnet marketplaces specifically made to buy and sell goods with crypto? Is there some regulation stopping companies from only accepting digital currencies?
        In most places crypto is taxed differently so obviously that's an issue there but even in places where it's taxed the same as with cash from a business perspective there's all kinds of issues you're going to end up having to deal with.
        Also how many people who own cryptocurrencies want to give them away like that? Probably not as many as you think. Whatever you're trying to sell there's probably more people who would want to buy and pay without having to use crypto. Most people buying crypto plan on using them to capture some capital gains and end up with more dollars in the end instead of using them like that.

        >no need to depend on paypal/stripe/banked payment processor.
        Really what you want than is a better payment processor. Unless you're doing something criminal there's no reason to deal directly in crypto, there's way more potential issues than upsides.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Most people buying crypto plan on using them to capture some capital gains and end up with more dollars in the end instead of using them like that.
          NTA, but personally I don't see myself cashing out any of my crypto until I start seeing retirement money (which is never going to happen lol). I mostly just use it as a supplement to being poor. I can use it to pay for grocery gift cards if I'm having a slow month or something.

          I'm really glad I got in early-ish. It's gotten me out of some tight places.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What are the advantages of such a thing?
      They work as currencies and not speculative investments? I mean peril the thought they might have an actual use for their intended purpose: transactions.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >crypto
    wish I had bought some all the way back when it hadn't even breached 1k

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >bought
      paying real money for crypto is for cattle
      crypto is mined.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >paying real money for crypto is for cattle
        This doesn't make sense. Trading currency for a different currency is literally how economies work.
        >crypto is mined.
        Mining uses electricity, which usually ends up being more expensive and time consuming than just converting fiat. You sound like a child, btw.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          something isn't considered a currency in economics until it is widely accepted everywhere. Crypto isn't accepted anywhere other than drug markets and cp websites.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >something isn't considered a currency in economics until it is widely accepted everywhere
            This isn't true, obviously. If I try to use a Seychellois rupee at my local US gas station, it's unlikely to be accepted. Yet there are few economists in the world who wouldn't consider it a currency.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            currency in economics means widespread adoption. It's very debatable if that applies to bitcoin since there's not many places that will accept it. And that's just for bitcoin, every other crypto isn't considered a currency really. Maybe monero at most since it's better than bitcoin for illegal activity.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's very debatable if that applies to bitcoin since there's not many places that will accept it.
            I guarantee there are more businesses on earth that accept BTC and ETH than there are businesses that accept Seychellois rupees.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            those rupees are accepted in an entire country everywhere, bitcoin is only accepted in a few official places in any country at most. There's a big difference. But even then, the argument would be more about those rupees barely qualifying as a currency rather than bitcoin being one.
            To my knowledge, most economists do not consider btc an actual currency as it doesn't meet all of the criteria for it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >those rupees are accepted in an entire country everywhere
            A country with a population of 100,000, yes.
            >bitcoin is only accepted in a few official places in any country at most
            This isn't true. There are dozens of businesses in my tiny city alone that accept crypto. It's hard to imagine there wouldn't be exponentially more in larger cities like New York or Tokyo.

            If it so convenient then why arent drug dealers on the street using it? You only see drug dealers on the dark web using it because they are more advanced than the average normie to use tor.

            >If it so convenient then why arent drug dealers on the street using it?
            They are, though. Black markets are becoming overwhelmingly crypto-centric. Where I live even the natives who run illegal weed dispensaries on reserves accept crypto. Just because your junkie dealer doesn't know how to use a computer doesn't mean it's not convenient.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This isn't true. There are dozens of businesses in my tiny city alone that accept crypto. It's hard to imagine there wouldn't be exponentially more in larger cities like New York or Tokyo.
            I'm not saying there aren't places, but it just isn't considered widespread enough. Yeah there are more places in the city, but there are also way more places accepting us dollars. I've only seen one store accepting crypto, but they later dropped it because barely anyone paid with it and it fluctuates a lot in value, making it a risk to take. Even valve was accepting bitcoin on the steam store until they realized it wasn't practical to use as a currency.
            Unless every other store you go to is accepting btc, it won't be considered a widespread currency. And this isn't even going over other issues such as whether it's a store of value or not. Gold has intrinsic value in tech, and the usd is backed by the us gov and is the oil currency used around the world, btc doesn't really have intrinsic value since it's pretty much just numbers on a spreadsheet. It doesn't have any actual backing, etc.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >They are, though.
            They aren't, though. Show one dealer in Miami or California that does. Theres zero. Your third world country money laundering doesnt count.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Show one dealer in Miami or California that does.
            Nice try, officer.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Crypto doesn't work because normalgays are too dumb to use it

    >just make crypto convenient to use
    Then you end up with centralized digital fiat and it defeats the purpose

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Crypto is already convenient to use, so that's not the reason. The actual reason it doesn't work is because there's no public trust in it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Crypto is already convenient to use
        You vastly overestimate the average consumer

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If it so convenient then why arent drug dealers on the street using it? You only see drug dealers on the dark web using it because they are more advanced than the average normie to use tor.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Transaction times and price volatibility make every business push it away with a stick

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Transaction times
      when i pay with my credit card it can take a full business day for the transaction to post. when i make an XMR transfer it takes 20 minutes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The thing is that a CC transaction doesn't need to go through. It can also be held or preauthorized as a security deposit when renting a car or something.

        Price volatility matters only if you're moronic and not going in and out of stablecoins as you go.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Id like to see a report showing the actual difference between credit card fees, merchant fees, and chargebacks vs crypto fees and exchange rate fluctuations. I'm pretty sure crypto merchant gateways end up being more affordable and fast but they aren't popular

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There are though. One is moneromarket.io
    There's nothing inherently illegal about crypto marketplaces. People have to register their business, follow regulations and pay taxes like anything else.
    Also there are a lot of places that take crypto where i live personally. A lot of the time the employees aren't trained to take it (or lie about it because they're too lazy to do a different process) though in ny experienced

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is?
    >moneromarket io

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I suppose people enjoy buyer protection or having legal backup in case something goes wrong. And that's easier if there are clear and conventional records of the transaction.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Picrel is the only crypto that matters and using it over the clear net defeats the purpose.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because no retail company wants the added risk of crypto volatility plus hassle of converting it to cash.
    It's like asking why don't airline passengers cram their luggage up their ass like drug smugglers do.

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