Why did Benjamin Franklin think only Anglo-Saxons were white? Was this a popular view of his time and if so why?

Why did Benjamin Franklin think only Anglo-Saxons were white? Was this a popular view of his time and if so why?

"That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth."

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the modern “white” identity, and the counter posing “black” identity, are granfaloons meant to misdirect you. By having you forget about your specific heritage, and instead adopt a hollow catch-all strawman, you have successfully been divided and conquered. Even Benjamin Franklin’s definition of white echos how unimportant it was, in relation to ethnicity. He was describing color, like how Spaniards can be moorish or have European features.

    It’s actually so sad you would think so much about this

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      These are white people
      everybody in the world has known this for a hundred years. It's a consensus yet people pretend like they don't know.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Eastern Germany included
        Polish bros... Congrats!

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        needs to include Austria and Switzerland

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >arbitrarily cutting out Switzerland and Austria

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          needs to include Austria and Switzerland

          they look like Italians

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            theres no way the Swiss are Italians, Their country is clean.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            you have literally never been to either of these countries

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Both have too much Italian shitskin dna to count.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          They are germanized celto-italians. Austrians also have slavoid heritage, so even worse.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >arbitrarily
          homie this is racial classification IT'S ALL ARBITRARY

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't tell them that, they have dedicated hours to draw those maps that agree with their made up ideas

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >made up
            >average faces compilated by merging real photos
            ?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            cope is strong with slavshitters and meds

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        White = European
        OR
        White = blond blue eyed men

        Everything else is moronic

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          He obviously meant porcelain can’t tan White.

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        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          These guys would be or should be sent to South America. Blondish-Gingerish porcelain Whites to North America. Ebony-Brunette swarthy Whites to South America. You can actually split Europeans into 4 distinct cluster if you wanted to. Northwest Northeast Southwest Southeast. Ginger Blonde Brown Black Hair. Green Eyes, Blue Eyes, Grey Eyes, Hazel Eyes etc.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cope from poorgays with run down shithole countries incoming

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        either the map perspective is skewed as frick or wtf country is that? shetland isnt that far north and iceland is already shown below

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          ok its svalbard island lol that is not signifigant enough to show on a map of "muh proud white nations"

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's norway

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >everybody in the world has known this for a hundred years. It's a consensus yet people pretend like they don't know.
        some things started to change over time

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        These are white people
        if you have brown eyes, your soul is brown too
        only green and blue eyes make you white

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          if you had ever looked into eastern european light blue eyes, you'd know there is no soul behind them

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            thats just because they are melancholy from living in an abusive society

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Franklin was akshually just referring to his own ethnic identity so that kind of shoots your argument to shit lmao

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Race tended to be conflated with ethnicity or civilization at that time. Franklin was using "white" to refer to the Anglo-Saxons. Other people went in the other direction and described East Asians as white because they were as civilized as Europeans.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    i'm Anglo-saxon and i look luminescent standing beside Scandinavians

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Im one of a few million real white people left.
    Latinas and native girls got me actin up thats literally white genocide

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I mean...

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Old Ben has NEVER been refuted

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      fixed

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean...

        Is this a game of hokey pokey to you?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    from the pov of Benjamin Franklin who was Anglo-saxon only his people were Anglo-saxon he is using the word white as shorthand.
    Its completely justifiable he was in no way obliged to be inclusive.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Geography does interesting things

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >not drawing a map based on drainage basins
      Come on, ffs. European people's originated on river systems. Your lines are meaningless.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >mountains don't exist

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Go back to twitter, Nemets.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He was obviously joking but marxists jump on it because they love to use that shit for their own propagandas

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      Franklin was a massive Francophile who was popular in the French court, the guy obviously didn't think the French were "a different race" or anything. The context of Franklin's bizarro rant is that he's mad about a bunch of foreigners not speaking English and assimilating into English style society and is bemoaning the fact that the population of his particular ethnicity is kinda small in the overall world.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The opinions of one individual guy, known for writing satire and purposefully saying provocative shit, do not represent the attitudes of an era.
    He was b***hing about immigrants and decided to banter about them, it's the same shit as calling Greeks "Turks" just to rustle their jimmies lol

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He just wanted Americans to be English, I wouldn't have even allowed the Scots or Welsh into the country.

  13. 5 months ago
    Radiochan

    Because he identified as an Englishman descended from Angles and Saxons.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The state of /his, all these shitty edits over some humanmemeotype.net picture

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just look at Australia, until recently we thought Italians were not white as well as pretty much every one not a Brit.
    Thats because we are majority Anglo-saxon.
    Trying to describe who else is white is about who else is complimentary, Scandinavians, Germans, Austrians, Swiss and Dutch for example.
    But i don't think this was ever deeply written about because it just wasn't important in a pre-immigration period.

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      But you killed non-whites

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >satan wants TWD
      figures

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did Benjamin Franklin think only Anglo-Saxons were white?
    I've never seen proof that that line people obsess over wasn't a joke.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    European phenotypes morphs thread

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Instead of splitting hairs about whiteness why don't you try and defend yourself from the forces arrayed against you.
    Almost like this is divide and conquer

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted
    This was clearly just cope because Saxons were the ones to colonize Britain. Phenotypically there is no difference between say Saxons and Franks or Frisians

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Was this a popular view of his time and if so why?
    Not really. He might have been taking the piss.
    Anyway made my take on this:
    >Red=butthurt postcolonials but otherwise meh.
    >Light green=Irrelevant snowmen from the depths of siberia. May have latent potential.
    >Grey=Autists, naive people, and spergs, peaked around 1920 and haven't gotten around to accepting it yet. Declining surprisingly fast.
    >Purple=The white Black folk of Europe, but they have some potential.
    >Dark Reda=Transitional area between Europe and the middle east.
    >Light/sky blue= The westernmost extension of Tengri's children.
    >Dark Green= The Middle east. Who peaked when they made Islam
    >Normal blue= People who peaked in 1600 hundred and are generally very fricking poor.
    >Yellow= They either peaked in prehistory or haven't reached even a tenth of their potential yet. I can't really tell.
    >Lavender=Violent little midgets. I firmly believe they'll eventually overrun Canada if given enough time.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      forgot pic.

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