Why did it fail?

Why did it fail?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    phallic shape. lack of gender diversity in rocket design

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you saying they should make a rocket shaped like a vegana to go along with it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you saying they should make a rocket shaped like a vegana to go along with it?

      This. So much this. Phallocentrism is to blame. Our modern times need a spaceship in the shape of a neo-vegana.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Elon wanted a moronic retro futurism style design and the bragging rights for the world's largest rocket. He favors aesthetics and ego over functionality, and the engineers are forced to play along.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      good

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How would you shape it differently?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What elements of the design are only for aesthetics and what would you do differently with the design if you were in charge?

        Considering that even the third test flight failed massively on its stated goals, it's mostly aesthetics. Otherwise, the whole rocket suffers from a massive identity crisis. It was initially the BFR, for suborbital launches, like a faster Concord. That went nowhere. Then it was supposed to be a shuttle replacement. That is nowhere right now. Then it is supposed to be lunar and Mars lander, that is completely insane. The lunar module was on purpose short with a descent and ascent stage. If Starship lands on an incline or uneven surface, like in an emergency, it would be a massive problem due to high center of gravity/damage to engines. That was an issue for Apollo 15. Also, the height of starship means than surface access will happen with a cargo elevator, which is needless complexity and points of failure. It doesn't have meaningful radiation protection for a Mars mission. Radiation is a problem even for extended lower earth orbit missions, let alone a Mars one. Starship couldn't stabilize on atmospheric reentry, the fins couldn't counter the spin. It lost some protective heat tiles on launch. Couldn't close the cargo bay doors properly. Didn't even reach orbital velocity on its third attempt with an almost empty starship (the third flight of the Saturn V was Apollo 8 - a crewed trans lunar injection). Requires lots of space refueling missions, with multiple points of failure. Hasn't demonstrated this refueling capability in a meaningful way - between 2 ships, just from one small tank to another, but nothing that could be seen on the fuel gauges. No life support system demonstrated 2 years from lunar landing. And Musk had taken NASA money and blew them on his vanity project, instead of delivering what NASA ordered.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What elements of the design are only for aesthetics and what would you do differently with the design if you were in charge?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't understand the technology.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's why they need to hire this guy

      Elon wanted a moronic retro futurism style design and the bragging rights for the world's largest rocket. He favors aesthetics and ego over functionality, and the engineers are forced to play along.

      he clearly knows what he's talking about

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sloshing mechanism in orbit isn't properly understood science (calculating fluid dynamics is extremely expensive computationally, lazy heuristics can simulate some limited scenario stuff but not all the complex stuff), especially for a large vehicle like that. Its the largest vehicle ever to fly in space like that.

    Particularly, as the ship's engine cut off as expected, the smallest amount of sloshing caused the ship to be put in an angle which caused the tilting behavior. That alone isn't necessarily bad it can be corrected at later stage. That was just the initial catalyst. The second catalyst was when it was supposed to re-enter the atmosphere, there was bit of the spin from the early sloshing. They could have potentially saved it had the heat from the plasma not destroyed the side of the ship that wasn't protected by the heatshield. Ship spins, heatshield protects one side, but not the other. The flaps on the ships tried to correct it, had it been given possibly few more seconds, it might have been possible to save the ship as the flaps could potentially correct the position. But the heat was too much.

    Its not a major issue, likely just a minor issue that should be addressed in the next flight.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Testing the Pez Door also farted some trapped air out, too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuel sloshed this way instead of that way.
      They should just make fuel tanks that can shrink so there's nowhere for the remaining fuel to slosh. Like, use balloons instead of tanks. ez.

      >balloons instead of tanks.
      >cryogenic

      Maybe they could make a sort of piston with compressed air on one side.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuel sloshed this way instead of that way.
    They should just make fuel tanks that can shrink so there's nowhere for the remaining fuel to slosh. Like, use balloons instead of tanks. ez.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >balloons instead of tanks.
      >cryogenic

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're trying to get to Mars, not rape it.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The entire ship is a design flaw from the beginning.
    >Not enough surface area to reliably re-enter the Earth’s atmosphere.
    >SHB grid fins aren’t enough to bring it back to the surface and slow it down enough for the engines to fire.
    >When SHB is plummeting in the atmosphere, all the fuel gets sloshed to the top of the fuel tanks, instead of the bottom where the fuel pumps are located.
    >Its too large and heavy to land on the Moon or Mars
    >Requires way too many refueling missions just to reach the Moon

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