Why did the Calvinists hate this monument so much?

Why did the Calvinists hate this monument so much?

Homeless People Are Sexy Shirt $21.68

Tip Your Landlord Shirt $21.68

Homeless People Are Sexy Shirt $21.68

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Sola fide is wrong btw

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You’re saved through faith and works

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Not works lest any man should boast.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You’re saved through God’s grace and ONLY God’s grace. Faith and works are the consequences of this, owed to God and not to your own power.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        So you agree that it’s not faith alone that saves you?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. It is the same mistake as salvation through works as it attributes salvation to your own faculties and not to the intervention of Christ.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Matthew 7:21-27
            21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
            22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
            23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
            24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
            25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.
            26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
            27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”
            You won’t be granted salvation just for faith
            No one denied Christ saving us
            But if we don’t do good works he won’t save us just for believing in him

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >saying "lord lord"
            we never claim this is true belief
            >did we not do many mighty works in your name??
            these people didnt think faith alone would save them
            they thought their works would save them.
            its spelled out plain as day in the text you quoted but you still cant see it.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            We never said works alone we said faith and works

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            nobody does works alone lmao
            that doesnt exist. if youre doing works in Jesus name obviously it's not "works alone"

            >my works will get me to heaven
            said no atheist.
            if youre TRUSTing works it implies faith along with it.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I was answering what you said about the passage where people thought that through their works they would go to heaven
            But I told you no it is both faith and works
            And that we Catholics/Orthodox never claimed faith alone saved you or that works alone saved you

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Did you continue reading the passage?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            James 2
            17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

            18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

            You need both for Christ to save you

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Dead faith saves.
            or else you make the Bible contradict itself.
            Sorry.
            James 2 is an exhortation to do good works. It's not telling you your works save you.

            >to him that worketh NOT, but believeth, his faith is counted for righteous
            >even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man unto whom God IMPUTETH righteousness WITHOUT works
            >saying, blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered
            >blessed is the man TO WHOM THE LORD WILL NOT IMPUTE SIN

            whom the Lord will not impute sin.
            his yoke is easy.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            James 2
            25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Can you also reference which chapter the verses you mentioned are from

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            you dont know?
            but youre going to debate theology?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I knew it was Romans but I needed the exact chapter

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's Romans 4.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I found out but thanks anyways

            23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            James 2
            14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?

            17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

            It is clear that faith alone doesn’t save

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            so your interpretation of rhetorical question is for it to contradict other parts of the Bible?

            works is how other people see your faith and how you're justified before OTHER PEOPLE.
            I cant tell your faith if you dont do works.
            If a man SAY he have faith but no works, I dont know if "that" faith can save him because I can't tell* if he believes what he's saying.
            God can see in your heart either way. We're not God, we have to do good works for other people.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

            28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

            29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
            Believing is a work

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Believing is a work?
            But faith without works is dead?
            So believing is not a work...?

            curious.

            regarding the meat which endureth unto everlasting life;
            there are plenty of verses describing that believers will have degrees of reward in heaven*
            good works/mortifying the flesh earns degrees of reward in heaven. it doesnt earn you salvation.
            >For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
            >Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
            >Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
            >If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
            >If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
            1 Cor. 3 ^

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Believing is a work
            Yes here it’s showing you that what you consider to be alone needed for salvation is a work itself

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            okay.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            What church do you belong to?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >saved; yet so as by fire
            Can’t this be a reference to purgatory?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            okay. does this change how it relates to eternal* salvation though?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That Christ will grant you salvation because of your faith and works
            But faith alone will not grant you salvation as purgatory would be needed in this context
            What denomination are you btw just curious

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I believe faith is what provides salvation. The works part are for blessings from the Lord. Works are important, yet they do nothing for SALVATION. It's sad we argue about this all the time. The devil gleefully watches it. Salvation is the free gift of God. How could our works begin to compare or come close to the sacrifice of our beloved Jesus??

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            But isn’t faith without works dead?
            I’m definitely not saying that works alone will provide salvation
            Check previous passages mentioned in the thread
            >the devil gleefully watches it
            If we take pride in our works and claim we were granted salvation because of OURSELVES and not because of Christ
            What denomination do you belong to btw?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
            Hebrews 10

            Doesn’t this also show that we are not justified by faith alone

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Sacrifice for sins
            Like burnt offerings
            Offered temporal* propitiation (as explained in Hebrews)
            There are no more sacrifices for sins for temporal propitiation.
            But you have to understand that God scourges believers on this earth.

            If there’s no more sacrifice for sin whatsoever, what, are you saying Jesus’ sacrifice for sin doesn’t count anymore? Despite John saying
            >and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous
            >who is a propitiation for our sins
            ^^^Speaking spiritually, and not only temporally

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Ok thanks for explaining

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            What rhetorical question?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus also said a verse earlier
            but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
            It also shows that it’s not faith alone
            It’s literally a verse before what you quoted and you still didn’t see it

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            the will of the father is for you to stop trusting in your own works
            he's contrasting what theyre doing with the will of the father.
            that means the will of the father =/= trusting in your works.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Can you please explain it in simpler english it’s not my first language

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly. Your faith does not save you, your works do not save you. It is Christ who saves you. It is through His grace that you have faith made evident in His working through you, but it is to Christ’s grace alone that credit is due, not to any ability of man. The idea that you are saved because YOU believe in Christ is not substantially different on this issue than the idea that you are saved because YOU have done good works. The one and only means to salvation is grace, grace is made evident

            >22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
            >23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
            Here we can see Jesus say, explicitly, that you are not saved by works in His name. He also explicitly says you are not saved by merely calling him Lord. You are saved neither by faith or works.
            Ephesians 2:3-10 spells this out even more explicitly. By the grace of God we are saved through Jesus Christ, faith is a consequence of this and works are a consequence of that. We can never be saved through works, not even partially, because our works are not our own and all praise is due to God, it is through us that God works, and not by our power that we work for God. Even the Catholic Catechism endorses this position that ultimately it is grace and only grace from which salvation is attained and made evident through faith and works, because ultimately the Bible is completely unambigous on this point. The debate about faith/works attracts a tremendous amount of tunnel vision that detracts from the greater truth that by neither are you saved, that’s a confusion of the fruit of salvation and the root of salvation. This is not license to be an antinomian, that would evidence a complete denial of grace.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Obviously Christ alone saves us
            But to for Christ to save us?
            Should we just believe in him?
            Or also do good works

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            "Should" =/= "MUST or you arent saved"

            but honestly you dont care what the Bible says.
            You just read scripture about people trusting in their works and thought
            >hmm this must be describing those sola fide people

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            How don’t I care about what the Bible says????

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Where did I say must?
            You’re putting words in my mouth

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            This is the confusion. You have faith and God works through you because you are saved (by grace through Christ), you are not saved because you believe or because you do good works. Both of these things are evidence of unmerited salvation through grace alone, merits that justify ones deserving of salvation. As ultimately no man deserves salvation and it is only through the infinite mercy of Christ that we can be saved.
            The antinomian that has «faith» but this is not evidenced in God’s good work through them is not saved, neither do they truly have faith, their idleness is evidence of a denial of grace freely given.
            Neither is the one who thinks it is by his own merits that he is saved, that it is deserved and earned. That is a demonic temptation of pride that subtly subverts the whole message of Christianity. The Bible warns us against it for a good reason, we cannot forget that not one of us deserves salvation and it is only thanks to divine infinite mercy that we can find deliverance.
            Fundamentally salvation is not metered our based on merits after mortal life, it is attained and made evident here on Earth through grace freely given. I also don’t know why this faith/works discussion frequently comes up within Calvinist related threads when Calvin and adjacent reformers were radically anti-antinomian to the point of almost Rabbi-like autism about Biblical law and that the only denominations that endorse salvation through works, in any even partial sense, are themselves Protestant given the explicit Catholic position is and always has been sola gratia.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            > merits that justify ones deserving of salvation
            *not merits

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            But for God to save us?
            Should we believe in him?
            Do good works?
            Or both?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            For God to save you then you should accept His grace because it is given to you freely thanks to His infinite mercy. There is nothing you can ever do to deserve this grace. It doesn’t matter how great your works are or how loudly you proclaim Christ the Lord, because that’s just not the point, you don’t merit your own salvation. That is impossible and that is why we need Christ to save us.
            God does not choose to save one man and damn the next based on their merits, through Christ’s death on the cross for the souls of alI mankind all of us may accept God’s regenerating grace and see Him work through us.
            The question of «But [what should we do] for God to save us? « is what I’m talking about when I talk about confusing the fruit with the root. Salvation can never be earned, but those who are saved evidence it everyday because God’s grace animates them.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            What do you mean by accept his grace?
            If you mean faith in him
            Faith without works is dead
            So you need to have faith in him and practice this faith

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I’m talking about, basically, predestination. Grace is God’s direct intervention on the world through His only begotten Son to save your soul. This is what saves us, this supernatural intervention by divine power. This is the root of all faith and of all good works. Man does not earn salvation by believing and doing good, salvation is a regenerative process that gives men sight so that they can know God and that animates their hands so that God May work through them. This is the real core point, salvation makes the rest possible rather than the other way around. It is a fundamentally spiritual process that regenerates a person from the inside out rather than a reward metered out to deserving people, because «deserving people» simply do not exist - all of us are sinners.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >I’m talking about, basically, predestination. Grace is God’s direct intervention on the world through His only begotten Son to save your soul
            But what did you mean by accepting his grace previously?

            >deserving people do not exist
            Of course it’s in our nature to sin
            No church ever claimed that we deserved salvation

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >But what did you mean by accepting his grace previously?
            tbh I have idiosyncratic views on the afterlife. In the long run I think all of us are predestined to be saved and based on our individual needs all of us have different paths to walk before we will accept God’s grace, even though it is offered to us every minute of every day, and some paths are longer than others. I think salvation is possible even in Hell and the true abominations like Satan that were never intended for God’s Kingdom will be annihilated at the end of days and that’s what the lake of fire is. I think this life and hell are both basically educational processes to make us understand what God wants us to understand so that we are prepared for His Kingdom. If you’re sceptical I think these interpretations are well supported textually by the Bible and by theological analysis. Ultimately God’s grace is irresistible and Christ died for the sins of all mankind, but undeserving that we are we will refuse the call again and again until our eyes are opened to the light.
            > No church ever claimed that we deserved salvation
            Exactly. Every major Christian denomination and theologian is unanimous that we are saved neither by faith or works but that these are made possible by God’s grace, of which we are totally undeserving. The argument about «faith/works» is really an argument against antinomianism, which is not what sola gratia or even sola fide (usually) really is, both of those positions are just saying good works are downstream of something else and not attributable to anything but God working through men.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Romans 8:16-17
            16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
            17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

            *If* indeed we share
            We have a choice to share or not
            God gave us free will
            We aren’t predestined

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            This is where a distinction ought to be made between single and double predestination. We have free will, but the way of man is to sin and left to our own devices that is what we sow. But God’s grace is irresistible, whether we want it or not He can save us and give sight to the blind. It is only through divine providence that we can be lifted from total depravity, not something we can do ourselves of our own free will. Also, much like sola gratia, in these kind of discussions it often gets forgotten that single predestination is the mainstream theological position in most churches, including the Catholic Church since the days of Augustine through to Aquinas and beyond. The real argument is what kind of predestination is it? Single or double. Because the Bible is clear it’s God who choses when men are saved and not the other way around.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm trans btw

  2. 1 week ago
    Radiochan

    Calvinists hate everything.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's an Asherah pole. If you destroy it God blesses you.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What are the bottom and top scenes? I can tell middle is Jesus getting his feet washed.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Bottom is the healing of the blind man.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Bottom is the healing of the blind man.

      Top might be Peter and Paul hugging

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Thanks for the medieval english monument. Could you talk about it instead of cult infighting, please.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That's a reconstructed version. It wasn't originally a cross

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ok, what was it originally?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        A pillar

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          So, like a standing stone / menhir, or more like those egyptian needles with writing?

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Inverted Judaism and idol derangement syndrome culminating in the extermination of their own people and their own history

  8. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    LEST
    ANYONE
    SHOULD
    BOAST

  9. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    vgh the difference between neetcel Americans and Bongistanis on what “Calvinism” is defined as, when its literally a filler topic no sane rational grownup prson with a job would dwell on anymore

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *