Why did the Spanish get to keep their colonial possessions in Africa.

Why did the Spanish get to keep their colonial possessions in Africa.
Whether it's Ceuta, Melilla or the Canary Islands, they escaped the fate of the rest of europe.
Why? And does picrel want independence like Catalonia?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    White people always get away with because Spain left their territories in north africa out of their own free will. Had the arabs killed them to remove them, they wouldn't have been allowed to keep those islands. The victor always leaves of his own free will.

    And israelites will be allowed to get away with stuff forever too as long as they have the backing of whites.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based whites ruling the world, as it should be. israelites can gtfo though, our friend Adolf had the right idea

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The islands

    >Spanish majority population and most capable administrative support

    The enclaves like Melilla

    >spanish majority and owned long enough to make “returning” it seem ridiculous. Especially when Spain claims Gibraltar despite signing it over to the UK much earlier

    Compare that to the Portuguese empire in Africa and their attempts to keep control of them during the 50’s and 60’s. They had no chance. Should have just accepted it, let them leave amicably

    Another reason the British empire and colonies left almost entirely peacefully

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      They left so peacefully that in fact the British found them back in the street of London.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Canarians are not Spanish. They're even further apart from the Spanish cluster than Basques are. Much further.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Canarians are not Spanish.
        They're ~79.7% ± 1.0% Spanish genetically on average according to this paper, although the admixture proportions vary from island to island.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          So they're Castizos, therefore no more Spanish than Cubans or Chileans are.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Meh.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can argue this sure but they're so thoroughly Hispanicised, no true native identity remains, and any independence advocates largely do so from an autonomist perspective and hark back to the Canaries being separate from Spain, ignoring since the 1400s that its been Spanish with no intervals.
            Moreover, it's now considered a part of Spain in the same way Andalusia is, and not treated as a separate entity as Spanish Sahara was.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >therefore no more Spanish than Cubans
            Ironic because Spain could have kept Cuba if not for the Spanish-American War.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cubans were already treated as subjects rather than full citizens which explain why they rebelled.
            The Canarians remained spanish because it was closer to the peninsula geographically therefore madrid grasp was stronger.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cubans were already treated as subjects rather than full citizens which explain why they rebelled.
            The Canarians remained spanish because it was closer to the peninsula geographically therefore madrid grasp was stronger.

            They only kept Puerto Rico and have military base on Caribbean island

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lol you're full blown moron. I'm from the Canary Islands myself and everyone here is full blown spanish just like in the peninsula. Also, nobody wants independence.

            I fricking hate illiterate americans talking about my country, frick off morons.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >everyone here is full blown spanish
            Genetically you aren't, look

            Canarians are not Spanish. They're even further apart from the Spanish cluster than Basques are. Much further.

            You can consider Spanish if you want, but you're slightly different from the peninsular spaniards. Whether it matters to you or not is not my problem.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >right next to the non-Basque peninsular Spanish cluster on that PCA despite being over 1000 km away from peninsular Spain
            >not Spanish

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're kinda different is what I'm saying. And not in the same way Basques are different either.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You went from "they're not genetically Spanish" to "they're slightly different from peninsular Spaniards", and like the other anon said no one IRL considers them non-Spanish.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ive met some hardline Spanish nationalists who at least consider them to be separate.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Every nation has their autists.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Normal people aren't autists like you 🙂

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            eras are defined by autists, normie simply follow

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What do you do in the canary islands?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            They’re not castizos, the yoruban ancestry is too low for that. There are a few quadroons and mulattoes on the islands that throw off the statistical averages.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What's the other ~20%? Yellow bird ancestry?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Guanche?
            There were people on those islands before the Spanish.

            https://i.imgur.com/m6kdMsF.png

            Why did the Spanish get to keep their colonial possessions in Africa.
            Whether it's Ceuta, Melilla or the Canary Islands, they escaped the fate of the rest of europe.
            Why? And does picrel want independence like Catalonia?

            The same reason the French and the British got to keep a few colonies in America. No one bothered to make them independent. Plus the Canary Islands aren't colonies.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Guanche
            The Guanches were just pagan Berbers.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            And?
            They were called Guanche and I'll call them Guanche.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            This

            Guanche?
            There were people on those islands before the Spanish.
            [...]
            The same reason the French and the British got to keep a few colonies in America. No one bothered to make them independent. Plus the Canary Islands aren't colonies.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Compare that to the Portuguese empire in Africa and their attempts to keep control of them during the 50’s and 60’s. They had no chance. Should have just accepted it, let them leave amicably
      No. Angola é nossa.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah that was a total mass delusion by the state. Angola and Mozambique were severely underdeveloped despite being "flagship" colonies.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          And in the case on Mozambique it was on the starting stages of becoming Kenya 2.0 once the Portuguese state switched to a desperate laissez-faire policy.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Angola and Mozambique were always dead weight, but Portugal should have kept Cape Verde. It was dumb they didn't do it after WW2.

    • 4 months ago
      Chud Anon

      >Another reason the British empire and colonies left almost entirely peacefully

      America beat the shit out of the bongs

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Especially when Spain claims Gibraltar despite signing it over to the UK much earlier
      Spanish Ceuta and Melilla date to before Gibraltar.
      >Another reason the British Empire and colonies left almost entirely peacefully
      A bit revisionistic, don't you think?
      There was a whole decade of colonial wars before that.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah so imagine if the British had actually settled their colonies in the 1800s, independence movements might not have gotten anywhere with a fanatically loyalist population. Then again France settled Algeria and look how that went.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      majority
      They had Arab/Berber pluralities until illegal blacks began overrunning them in the past two decades.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Spaniards are actually African so it's natural they keep their African territories.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    But yes Canarians arefine, I'm not making anti Canarians post, just pointing out an objective difference.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They didn’t, only the areas that were Spaniard. They lost the Rif, the lost Rio De Oro, they lost Ifni, and Cape Juby. That’s just in Morocco, they also lost Equatorial Guinea. I think it’s also important to note there was far less pressure on the Spaniards due to the fact that they had already essentially decolonized since most of their Empire was in the Americas, they stayed out of WWII despite their political alignment, and became a reliable, staunch anti-communist ally and runway for America in the Cold War.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I think it’s also important to note there was far less pressure on the Spaniards
      No there wasn't.
      >and became a reliable, staunch anti-communist ally and runway for America in the Cold War
      Didn't stopped the US and the USSR to work hand in hand to frick over Portugal.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > No there wasn't

        Yes there was lol, there was barely even any thing to pressure about in the first place even if the West wanted to be as hard as possible on the Spaniards. They took no real hurt from losing the jungle shithole EG and their square of desert in Morocco. I think they’ll be fine.
        > Didn't stopped the US and the USSR to work hand in hand to frick over Portugal.
        Having divergent interests after previously having aligned interests is not fricking someone over. I highly doubt the Ports could have held on to their African provinces even if the US not only didn’t put pressure on them, but actively helped them. If they wanted to settle Angola and keep it as a province, they could have. It could have been another French Guiana, probably only near the coast because Angola is fricking huge but you get it.

        The first like 300 years of them in Angola was no settlement whatsoever, just taking a Black personassfrickton of slaves to Brazil and teaching merchants Portuguese. They took like half of the population minimum lol. They had a chance to do it and chose not to.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > No there wasn't

        Yes there was lol, there was barely even any thing to pressure about in the first place even if the West wanted to be as hard as possible on the Spaniards. They took no real hurt from losing the jungle shithole EG and their square of desert in Morocco. I think they’ll be fine.
        > Didn't stopped the US and the USSR to work hand in hand to frick over Portugal.
        Having divergent interests after previously having aligned interests is not fricking someone over. I highly doubt the Ports could have held on to their African provinces even if the US not only didn’t put pressure on them, but actively helped them. If they wanted to settle Angola and keep it as a province, they could have. It could have been another French Guiana, probably only near the coast because Angola is fricking huge but you get it.

        The first like 300 years of them in Angola was no settlement whatsoever, just taking a Black personassfrickton of slaves to Brazil and teaching merchants Portuguese. They took like half of the population minimum lol. They had a chance to do it and chose not to.

        Oh, and the same goes for SA before you bring them up. Consult the map in picrel. Zuid Afrika was golden real estate, and the reason whites had to give it up because the Afrikaner Nationalists didn’t want mass white immigration. Jan Smuts being the visionary he was imagined a border at the Zambezi and a mass immigration program. The Afrikaner nationalists were worried that, despite promised assimilation into the culture, it would “dilute” the Afrikaner identity. As if Afrikaners themselves are not an amalgamation of Dutch, French, German, English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Swedish, and even some small amount of Greek and Italian in some areas.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >despite promised assimilation into the culture, it would “dilute” the Afrikaner identity.
          It would lol. It only worked early on due to immense pressure towards French and Germans migrating into the early Cape into Dutch culture. By the 1900s many Euro groups that moved to SA were much more able to maintain their ethnic ties

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            And Afrikaners are mainly if Dutch eith sone French and Germain alongside tiny trace amounts of various African and Asian ancestry on the maternal side. By the time of the late 1800s they have Bern an Africanized group by then , especially among their Boer counterparts out East.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Didn't stopped the US and the USSR to work hand in hand to frick over Portugal.
        Portugal just stopped fighting. At the end of the day, no portuguese wanted to shed blood for some Black folk that lived far away.
        The colonies were not even strategically placed, nor had enough resources worth the effort.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why only give crap to Spain if Britain and France also kept some African territories?

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's pretty silly how Spaniards claim Ceuta and Melilla are completely different from Gibraltar because they're integral parts of Spain yet they throw a hissyfit whenever it's proposed to fully integrate Gibraltar into the UK by giving them representation in Parliament.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      According to them, the difference is that 'morocco' didn't exist back then so there's no one to give this to. If you tell them that the Spanish Kingdoms didn't unite into Spain until 1808, they will freak out and tell you that Spain started in 1479 with union of Aragon and Castile, because in school they are taught propaganda (This is like if UK schools taught that Britain started in 1603 with James IV and I). They will then freak out if you tell them that if this is Spain then they are endorsing Catalonian independence. The level of seethe about a tiny port which was entirely populated by Genoan merchants when they lost it is moronic bullshit ment to distract them from the abjectly terrible governance at every layer of their society for the past 300 years.The Spanish name for Gibraltarians is literally 'Little Genoan' lmao, that's how much it meant to them at the time.
      T. Guiri who deals with Spanish bullshit every day.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off back to your country britbong subhuman.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh wait you don't have a country anymore, it's Pakistan lmao
          But still, frick off.
          Also you are likely lying because I haven't ever heard someone bringing up Gibraltar in my life, nobody really care about it.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          hazme, enano pobre

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You'll get fricking bludgeoned to death along with the other invaders (Morrocans, Gypsies, Sudacas). Though the other anon is likely correct, you are a catalan larping. Guiris here don't speak our language and don't interact with us, thankfully enough.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh wait you don't have a country anymore, it's Pakistan lmao
          But still, frick off.
          Also you are likely lying because I haven't ever heard someone bringing up Gibraltar in my life, nobody really care about it.

          >They will then freak out if you tell them that if this is Spain then they are endorsing Catalonian independence.
          What does this have to do with anything Black person, Catalonia has never existed as an independent country, it was always part of the crown of Aragon
          >T. Guiri
          You Catalans aren't guiris, stop larping.

          You'll get fricking bludgeoned to death along with the other invaders (Morrocans, Gypsies, Sudacas). Though the other anon is likely correct, you are a catalan larping. Guiris here don't speak our language and don't interact with us, thankfully enough.

          Spain starts in 718, actually

          >Spain didn't exist before 1808
          Meanwhile a treaty between France and Spain dating from the 17th century

          If anyone doubted the level of Seethe you can inspire in these short, visigothic apes with simple historical facts

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Holy shit you look like a mole rat lmao.
            And you obviously have a lot of issues, hating so much on the country that welcomed you and its people. Though I guess is better than going back to britain and getting stabbed by a paki.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            t. 5 '7 andalucian gypsy
            obviamente no odio el pais, simplemente no me importan los viejos temas fronterizos de los que os quejáis siempre

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You claim to not hate the contry yet insult it and its people just like you just did with your pathetic stunt on heigth. You must have a lot of frustration built within you, most likely stemming from a deep complex of inferiority.
            Imagine if I went to Britain and then told the people that England only really exist since the 19th century, that northern Ireland should be returned to the Irish and that British men are ugly orcish fat drunkard and English women unfrickable prostitutes. Well in fact I say and think all of this but at least I have the decency to not go live in Britain, unlike you who live here onmy to lie and insult the country that welcomed you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            In a way I know how you feel because I once knew a Portuguese who squatted in France and had the same attitude than you toward them. It's the behavior of estranged individuals who know that they will never be accepted as full member of the society they settled in, so they constantly seethe at the people that generously welcomed them. A sad reality but what can you do about it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Spaniards are massive b***hes about any issue relating to England or the UK so idc about protecting their feelings from 'Black Legend'.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Such as?
            And the black legend is a well documented reality, you rejecting its existence is once again a proof that you don't fit in here.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            'Black Legend' is the biggest pile horseshit cope I've ever heard. You can use it to explain away any percieved deficiency pointed out by a foreigner.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            it's basically how you say oy vey in spanish

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Funny because the muh 6 gorrilions is basically the black legend but for Germany

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody use the black legend to excuse every failure moron. It's more about general stuff like the inquisition, the treatment of the indians etc.

            >tfw just wanting to know information about the place i'm going to vacation to soon devolves into anglos and iberians being autistic to each other

            Stay in your fricking country Black person we don't want or need you there. Why is it so hard for people to understand that they should simply not go into other people home?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            homie your country runs on vacation money
            I WILL eat at local restaurants
            I WILL give you Black folk money
            You WILL like it
            I've talked to Spaniards and they're all fine with it, half convinced you're some sort of latinx LARPing

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Most Spaniards are fine but a few let their autistic sense of irredentism and national pride go too far (i.e. the morons who try and tell you that Spaniard is a slur or something). If you can speak, or attempt to speak the language most people will be fine. Barcelona has developed a kind of Parisian arrogance about tourism though, it's not hard to see why they all hate the catalonians.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes most Spaniards are leftist moron that need to get exterminated for eugenic purpose. Good to know which side you are on. You're the kind of people who will advocate for immigration here because it will help you to better fit in, fthy foreigner monkey.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't care about your stupid politics because your government is terminally useless and you're already too poor to scare the wealth away. I already have EU citizenship and I work under the table so it literally does not matter in the slightest what the government does.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Be a foreigner
            >Insult the country history
            >Insult the people
            >Admit to do illegal stuff
            Lmao your case is getting worse and worse, at this point I can't tell the difference between you and the average Moroccan here.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            literally no person in their 20's is paying taxes or working legally

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >literally no person
            Sure if your frequentation are mostly gypsys and sudacas, it doesnt surprise me

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah you guys sure are dilligent workers lol

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unironically yes
            Subhumans immgrants like you, sudacas and morrocans accepting to do all kind of shitty jobs for a ridicule salary is the main reason for the high unemployment here
            Why the frick would you wageslave when you can live more comfortably on the dole

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Black person you are not competing with me to teach posh kids British english

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Brits are so moronic that they need someone to learn their own language? Lmao

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            in Spain? fricking moron I'm teaching posh spanish kids
            >Spaniard try and learn the difference between Learn and Teach challenge: Impossible

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would they even want to pay to learn a language everyone can learn by spending time on the net like I did? They're probably using you as some kind of exotic animal, they make fun of your mole rat face behind your back

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            probably cause you write english like a fricking cretin and probably speak it that way too.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because I'm phoneposting.
            If I get serious I bet my grasp of the English language is significantly better than yours, wanna test?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            you fricked up Learn (aprender) and Teach (enseñar) like 2 messages ago, like you morons always do. You probably think 'Actually' means ahora. You have the same smugness every ESL c**t has.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No I didn't fricked up anything. I was talking about random brits needing you (a teacher) so they could LEARN their language. You fricking moron.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes because you pay a teacher to learn you things yeah?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You pay a teacher so you can yourself learn things from him. Although I'd like to see anyone moronic enough to give money to a mole rat face like you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            actually let me fix that

            Je peux parler 4 langues couramment, toutes apprises par moi même sans l'aide de personne à seulement 19 ans. Tu viendras la ramener quand tu sauras en faire autant, baltringue.

            nadie da una mierda de cuántos idiomas puedes hablar incorrectamente

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can neither speak Spanish, nor English your native language accurately, you are a complete failure at life and you look like a mole rat. Also regarding my skin color

            >homie your country runs on vacation money
            Yes and this need to stop.
            Spaniards don't like you, they like your money. All the validation you get is two faced etc.
            And im no latinx

            though I don't think it's a shame that we are able to tan unlike your cursed race which seems to be hated even by the sun.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I didn't fricked anything up. Mi English is mucho good Señor

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Je peux parler 4 langues couramment, toutes apprises par moi même sans l'aide de personne à seulement 19 ans. Tu viendras la ramener quand tu sauras en faire autant, baltringue.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >work under the table
            nevermind, cringe

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also coming from a land governed by a pajeet despot which is permanently in recession to the point that the average lower class brit can't afford heating saying we're poor and that our government is useless is funny. Know your place foreign monkey

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >homie your country runs on vacation money
            Yes and this need to stop.
            Spaniards don't like you, they like your money. All the validation you get is two faced etc.
            And im no latinx

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            like being a moron to other europeans on the internet is gonna fix our one-trick-pony economy paco
            i'd rather have all these tourists than more moroccans, i don't see what the big issue is
            except the ones that act like wildabeasts and jump off balconies
            t. spanish

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >other europeans
            Other europeans? We're not like them, they don't like us and we don't like them, I say that as someone who ks part gabacho and has French relatives I frequently meet.
            >except the ones that act like wildabeasts and jump off balconies
            So 99% of them? It's like saying immigrants are fine except the ones who rapes and deal drugs. That how moronic you sound

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is what I don't get about the balcony thing. Why do you give a shit if tourists end up giving the healthcare system thousands of euros or killing themselves?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they don't like us and we don't like them
            1. i studied in the Netherlands for 2 years and that's not how i got treated
            2. i have french relatives (though not french ancestry) and they've told us they just don't think about us
            no european country is like the other, doesn't mean I wont prefer certain populations in my country to others

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dutch, especially the urban ones, are terminally cucked, they're not the best example.
            Yes the French are indifferent toward us, the average gabacho isn't even smart enough to know that a Black person is not like him.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Btw I hate the french and wish they would all get killed. Wouldnt even mind killing myself as an apology for being a 1/4 French subhuman. But that's not the present topic.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you obviously have a lot of issues
            >wouldnt even mind killing myself as an apology for being a 1/4 French subhuman

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You don't know how suffering it is to be part french
            Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night, I go outside naked and I histerically search for snails to eat as many of them
            Such is the curse that was transmitted to me by my grandmother from Picardy

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I used to live by a Paella place that did traditional valencian (Rabbit, Snail, Chicken) and I couldn't touch the stuff, had to have the veggie one.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I've talked to Spaniards
            Canarians aren't Spaniards moron

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wonder what causes endless seething about the territory you lost through war and diplomacy but nationalistic pride in the places that are obviously not integral parts of Spain. Imagine if the French were ardent about French Guinea being integral french territory but constantly moaned about not having the Channel Islands? You can't have your cake and eat it. It's like Argentines whining about the Falklands constantly when they have no intention of giving the Puna de Atacama back to Bolivia

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody seethe, it's all in your head.
            Argentinians are Italian monkeys and are irrelevant to the present conversation.
            >you lost through war and diplomacy
            Only through diplomacy, britbongs never conquered it, Austrians (and Austriacos) did maybe

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Austriacos
            I meant Austriacistas

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody is seethong, we're just calling you on your bullshit. Saying that Spain started in 1808 is a blatant and disingenuous lie which I in fact easily disproved.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            a personal union which hasn't developed legal, economic or cultural integration is obviously not a nation. You should thank Napoleon for forcing you to get your act together.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jacobinism rhyme with Rabinism, you have no clue what you're talking about.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >a personal union which hasn't developed legal, economic or cultural integration is obviously not a nation
            That same logic applies to the UK. Brits give shit to Spaniards for Catalonia, but they have Scotland and Northern Ireland right there.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm Spanish and have nothing against you but your takes are moronic, simple as

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What an unfortunate face.
            I bet you still bang your chest over that empire of yours that doesn't exist anymore.
            What an unfortunate continent Europe is.
            By the way, why Valencia, of all fricking places?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They will then freak out if you tell them that if this is Spain then they are endorsing Catalonian independence.
        What does this have to do with anything Black person, Catalonia has never existed as an independent country, it was always part of the crown of Aragon
        >T. Guiri
        You Catalans aren't guiris, stop larping.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spain starts in 718, actually

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It started in 587 with the conversion of Recaredo I to catholicism. Any earlier or later date is a cope and a falsehood

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >According to them, the difference is that 'morocco' didn't exist back then so there's no one to give this to.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattasid_dynasty

        >If you tell them that the Spanish Kingdoms didn't unite into Spain until 1808, they will freak out and tell you that Spain started in 1479 with union of Aragon and Castile.

        And said independent Spanish kingdoms shared a military, a monarch, a currency and other plethora of things. Funny how your logic works.

        >The level of seethe about a tiny port which was entirely populated by Genoan merchants when they lost it is moronic bullshit ment to distract them from the abjectly terrible governance at every layer of their society for the past 300 years.

        Facts.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >And said independent Spanish kingdoms shared a military, a monarch, a currency and other plethora of things. Funny how your logic works.
          The point isn't that Spain didn't exist as a nation the second before the Treaty of Utrecht was signed, and magically came into existence afterward. It's just that there's no definition of a nation of culture existing in such a way that justifies Cueta, Mellila being Spanish that doesn't also justify Gibraltar being British.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Spain didn't exist before 1808
    Meanwhile a treaty between France and Spain dating from the 17th century

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The canary islands AFAIK have had an issue with spain’s governemnt since franco was around if not before. I think they feel financially neglected by spain.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Also, Ceuta and Melilla used to be 100% ethnic european, and were held for hundreds of years, before Spain got the northern morocco rpotectore. Thats why they were kept. Canary islands were simply ethnic spanish for hundreds of years, longer than granada. It’s like asking why granada hasnt been decolonized.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    i think the gibraltar autistic rants are cringe, i don't care nor need for it to be spanish
    ceuta and melilla are spanish though
    >t. 5'7" cantabrian

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have yet to met someone who really gave a shit outqide of internet meme
      Some people are more than glad to have a nearby tax heaven, even.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw just wanting to know information about the place i'm going to vacation to soon devolves into anglos and iberians being autistic to each other

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was discovered by a Genovese navigator called Lancelotto Malocello, who was apparently searching for the Vivaldi brothers, who sailed out of the Mediterranean in search of an alternate route to India in the 1290s.
      It's one of the first islands colonized by Europeans; a Norman knight originally conquered them before getting bored and trying to sell them to the Portuguese. Castille, who hired the knight to conquer the islands, expelled him because of this and took control.
      In the 1490s, the rest of the islands (The knight had only conquered the eastern islands) were conquered and incorporated into Spain. These islands were very important sugar cane plantations before the discovery of the lower Atlantic islands/America. }
      It was raided by pirates a few times.
      The Spanish civil war kind of started there, too.
      That's it, I think.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They BTFO Nelson and took his arm.
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Santa_Cruz_de_Tenerife_(1797)

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this entire thread

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's your problem frog posting Black person

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Putain de face de rat taupe de merde, je t'encule toi et toute ta putain de famille de putain de consanguins alcoholique de merde de ce trou du cul qu'est le nord de l'Angleterre.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    IQfy has to be the only place in the world where you can see a spaniard swearing at an englishmen in french

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not actually English either or that pro-UK I just hate the way these dwarves lie to themselves

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Of course, you're a rootless mole rat face who hate even his own country. I'm almost starting to think you are a israelite, which would explain the mole rat face.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why U.S still occupying Hawaii and have satellite-like useful idiots?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Get the frick out of here Black person you're ruining the mood.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    total mole rat genocide

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the visigoth fears the celtoid

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        We're not wisigoths though, we're Iberian.
        Also english are only half celt.
        unless you are irish which is even more laughable since your gay ass country was invented by a spaniard (eamon de valera)

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      that's no even what ancestor means you fricking specimen

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's what I meant, you fathered all mole rats, you or your grandparents, anyway
        also I'm not a mexican and I don't pretend to be shitalian so your meme is even more moronic, at least do it right.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          rn you're pretending to be spanish you fricking gabacho fruit tossing frog

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            mira, yo no he elegido ser 1/4 frances, culpa a mi abuelo no a mi

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    holy

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    let's sum up mole rat CV
    >he's a homosexual
    >lives in a country he hates
    >hates himself (of course he looks like a mole rat)
    >hates his country of origin
    what a sad being

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gabacho CV
      >Unemployed
      >Literally hates his own bloodline
      >'actually that's a deboonked anti-iberian trope'
      >almost certainly lives with parents

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        shit you got all of these right, guess mole rat have some telepathic powers or some shit
        although I don't really hate my bloodline, that's just shitposting

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          do you browse /esp/?
          you should come if you don't. although there's not a thread currently up

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            on IQfy? no I don't go on that cesspool.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    por dios, los ingleses son lo peor...
    >t. sudaca

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