Why did they throw it away for UNIX garbage?

Why did they throw it away for UNIX garbage?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All modern operating systems are UNIX

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >All modern operating systems are UNIX
      Have you considered modern toy OSes that aren't UNIXed?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        there's like fricking 2 of them
        openvms and that one lisp pos

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          BEOS / Haiku isn't Unix but it has a POSIX layer.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            pretty sure it's unix sport

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Its not so

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't run genode
        sad!

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they knew as far back as system 7 that classic mac os was a dead end technologically

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Claassic MacOS had no memory protection. Its APIs were built on top of this assumption. It was effectively the Windows 95/98/ME to OS X's NT.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yet it worked fine, so why do you need this memory protection bullshit (on a single user system)?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it did not work fine
        it shit the bed near constantly
        i know you're probably some moronic zoomer homosexual who'se only memory of classic macs were playing zoombinis on your family's old ass iMac, but they were rather shit systems

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >it shit the bed near constantly
          You shit the bed near constantly

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What problems did you have? At the time it was fine, I'm serious. Is the only problem that it would crash sometimes?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It would crash, it would decide to randomly corrupt memory, it would OOM and then decide to corrupt memory, it would forget the VirtualRAM configuration and vomit shit across your (small) harddrive, its networking was always just annoying because Apple clung to AppleTalk despite it being obsolete the moment it came out, it would randomly corrupt the resource fork of a file, breaking shit, MultiFinder would just decide to arbitrarily stop working sometimes and the only fix was a full restart.

            Yeah, you could leave your mac on overnight, which windows couldn't do, but windows could run two programs at once without both programs having to work in perfect lockstep to not shit on each other's memory.

            Really the only good OSes of the 90s were Be, NeWS (which Sun fricking dropped) and NeXT

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Like others have mentioned, a process crash or process writing into the wrong memory can bring the whole system down.
            And the OS was originally designed for single task, not multitasking so that was a bolt on after the fact. Also early Mac software was written with alot of assumptions on the hardware they were running on, which made the software either unstable or unusable on other systems or on multitasking mac's.
            When you have dozens of extensions for your hardware, software and anything else, start opening programs, have a 32 bit clean Mac, you can run into one thing crashing the whole system.
            And that's without getting into the fact that memory allocation worked on heaps, and even if you had the free memory, if the contiguous space wasn't large enough, you'd get a type 1 error of not having enough free space.
            You'd also have to size your applications preferred and minimum size memory.
            The operating system had way too much baggage that OS X got rid of

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "Single user system" does not imply "single process system" you frickwit. You don't even understand basic OS architecture design

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If, say, Photoshop, does an out-of-bounds write, would you rather it crash or overwrite some other application's working memory?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >overwrite some other application's working memory?
          This one.
          At least if causes funny effects.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It was effectively the Windows 95/98/ME
      9x had some shitty form of memory protection and proper multitasking. It still was quite ahead.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yet it worked fine, so why do you need this memory protection bullshit (on a single user system)?

      Memory protection wasn't necessary until they started using C. Buffer overflows and memory bugs made it necessary.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        rust troony detected

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          OG Mac OS was all Pascal you uncultured dick breather

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            at least pascal was memory safe
            >this makes the Cnile seethe

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            To be pedantic, it had basic array handling that C still does not (bounds checks, arrays that know their own lengths) but no defense against thread frickery, dangling pointers, or aliased pointers
            I don't think it caught uninitialized fields/variables either but I haven't actually used Apple's compiler so I don't know for sure

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Steven Jerbs looked at BSD and said, "I can steal this, and sell it to people" because he was never a creator. He was a """~~*visonary*~~""".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      steve jobs (and the people he hired) also looked at what GNU was trying with the HURD and went
      >lol, lmao even
      and managed to implement a microkernel based architecture in a year, while TURD still hasn't managed to make it work

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >inb4 how did he steal it, it's open source
    It has a cuck license

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So they could leech off the BSD developers.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did they throw it away for 9x/NT garbage?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Classic Mac OS was a beautiful, user-friendly, very PRIMITIVE system. Its multitasking was a hack, one misbehaving program could crash the whole machine easily. Apple's attempts at creating a modern OS internally were complete failures. And they knew: the moment Microsoft decided to market NT to home users, no sane person would buy a Mac with that archaic system. Buying NeXT gave them all the features they need, plus a frickton of hype among the faithful for bringing back the founder.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a shame Gassee was a b***h so they didn't get to buy BeOS.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      NeXT was STILL better than what MacOS did. It was so fricking far ahead of things that we've never really caught up

      It's a shame Gassee was a b***h so they didn't get to buy BeOS.

      BeOS was fun but NeXT just took a fat shit on it.
      Be had no real commercial software support, meanwhile NeXT had Lighthouse Designs making absurdly good page layout and other graphic design software, and STONE software if you wanted something odd.
      Remember, the 90s were the era where computers had to do more than just connect to the internet to demonstrate value. If you were going to buy a $4000 computer, you had to justify the cost somehow

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Having gone back and watched a lot of older videos on Mac systems, it honestly amazes me that Microsoft managed to take over offices. Mac's technology was miles ahead of them in a lot of significant ways.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          it's not complicated anon. Basically, with Windows you can run programs.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mac's applications and programs were just better back then.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Microsoft understood corporate structures in a way Apple never did
          Apple fricked over their office suite division, banishing it to Claris, and never seriously marketing it.
          The only place you'd usually see AppleWorks was in schools, who got it bundled with their computer labs.

          Meanwhile Microsoft would literally sell whole package deals to enterprise customers; office, windows, a terminal server system, file server, print server, and eventually systems that competed and eventually killed the "network operating systems" of the time, i.e. Novell

          In the early 2000s, Gates even managed to drive Apple out of education by using the Gates foundation grants to force schools to buy big package windows deals.

          Meanwhile Apple sat on powerschool till it rotted away, sat on AppleWorks till it rotted away, and sat on FileMaker till it rotted away

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Meanwhile Microsoft would literally sell whole package deals to enterprise customers; office, windows, a terminal server system, file server, print server, and eventually systems that competed and eventually killed the "network operating systems" of the time, i.e. Novell
            and microdick still does this today. they practically will give out their shit for free if you are going to deploy it across a giant organization. you pretty much just pay for windows. everything else they toss at you for free.
            no one really uses windows because they want to. they use windows because microdick makes it stupid easy to.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Even worse these days, they sell a managed AD solution via azure, and you get office and Windows and everything else lumped in to one big shit ball

            They even have an IdP that compares well to okta and onelogin

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The only reason Microsoft won was because of IBM. Businesses bought IBM PCs because they were THE computer company. And by the time PC clones had taken that market from IBM, DOS and Windows had already become so entrenched that there was no going back. Apple never really stood a chance. Despite that, they still managed to survive and make far better software than Microsoft that entire time (with the exception of a small period in the late 90s where Microsoft had pulled ahead of them).

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          pretty simple really
          microshit was a software company (still is)
          crapple was a hardware company (still is) with a homebrewed janky OS
          if apple had took the microsoft approach they would have died in his parents garage. if they had took a hardware only approach they would have had some moderate success, but they would have eventually collapsed like IBM or HP on the PC front in the modern world since everything is china dominated now
          them sticking to hardware and software played out in the long term only because they made education (ie schools) shady deals and the ipod

          steve jobs was and will always be a gay tho and steve wozniak was a pushover pussy and his dumb ass is lucky he met steve because he could have just as easily swindled any other mediocre coder to peddle his shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >STONE create
        now that takes me back

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          LITERALLY the ONLY program I EVER used that can properly open a PDF for editing. No other software has this capability, to this day. STONE Create could open PDFs just like any other document, you could edit text and images, and re-save directly into PDF.

          GlowBlack folk probably disliked it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >full-color
          >is in black and white

          tards

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was better

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Zoomer brainlet energy

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bro. You couldn't do shit on macs back then. Zero games. Games are the reason Windows won the home market. I don't remember quake or doom on Mac. Also, excel and office have no equal even now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't remember quake or doom on Mac
      All of the Dooms, Quakes, and Unreal 1/Tournament/2003 had Mac ports with little or no delay. Those were huge headlining games, it's mostly anything smaller than that where you were rolling the dice for a port. There were also tons of exclusives at the time. Ports started falling off as DirectX became more mainstream.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Rose tinted glasses. It was bad and you know it.
        >expensive PC with bad hardware.
        No way around it, you were going to have a bad time.
        >"We we, got some AAA games of the time"
        Big freaking deal, I was playing Battlezone98, MechWarrior 2: Mercenaries MOST GAMES did not go to mac and if they did, they sucked.

        >Mac was great back then, blah blah
        Before the Ipod, only old fricks used macs in the 90s. They would go on about how secure they were and were loud ass vegan weirdos. Mac users were not the "hip cool" homosexuals they are today, they were contrarians who made their lives harder for no reason. No body played games on there iMac G3, that is not what you played half life on. I barely knew anyone in RL who played PC games in the 90s, and I knew zero gamers who were on mac in that era ether. Only loud boomers "I hate bill gates" types.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          John Carmack demoed Doom 3 for the first time at Macworld back in 2001.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            didn't doom 3 end up not releasing on mac?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >didn't doom 3 end up not releasing on mac?
            It did with a few months of delay.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cool. Did you play it on mac back in the day zoom zoom? Because believe it or not, people were already building PC's. I distinctly remember my dad upgrading his PC back in the day to play doom3. The only Macs I ever used or saw in the early 2000s were Imac G3 and G4(the lamp). Owned by non pc gamers and non techsavy. Cool people and old people, keep in mind most people were not terminally online and a computer was just a tool to write papers on or look something up. They loved them because unlike windows, they didn't get viruses or "break". XP was honestly better, the issue was that everyone was driving as an admin on the internet doing god knows what. You would hear stories of people doing video editing and what not on the mac. Sure, true, but at this time, every school, business, government agency and the military were all using Windows XP with redhat serving allot of the infrastructure. I didn't even know people could game on the mac when I was younger, I just assumed it was Number Munchers and old 2d games.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            mac gamers were on powermac's because they were made to be upgraded.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i only played starcraft on my families mac. i didn't get my own pc until 2005. athlon64 with windows xp. even then i still got a macbook pro in 2008 for college. mostly because my mom gave me 3k for a new computer. it was really nice and lasted the entire school day on a single charge.
          now i just use linux though. after jobs died mac hasn't been the same. i haven't liked the changes they made. last mac i owned was in 2011 with an imac. windows is simply a botnet at this point with all its telemetry.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, everyone uses linux. but lets be real. "botnet cuck station" is all old people and normes know how to use. Dumb zoomies can barely understand a file system, let alone linux. Ether way it keeps me employed.I can respect that Apple used to not backdoor their shit to the NSA ect, but those days are over. I used to think that their user friendliness first over power users had its appeal and purpose, but now... No. Computers should stay complected to keep as many people away as possible.

            mac gamers were on powermac's because they were made to be upgraded.

            Only weirdos had those. They were 2grand back in 2004. And were not nearly as powerful or easy to upgrade as a PC. Which is saying something because upgrading PC's was not nearly as easy as it is today.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Ether way it keeps me employed
            Are you a sysadmin or something?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I pretty much do everything in our small shop, write USMT bat scripts for remote backup with psexec, AD stuff, image creation, oh and replacing monitors and stuff. Senior tech I guess? I don't know. I make decent money.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It was definitely not as good as PC, and I acknowledged that when talking about the non-headliners.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      old mac had some games, I distinctly remember playing oregon trail in 4th grade and MDK in 6th grade and every microdick fanboy loves HALO. well that was developed for apple but they backed out
      but true they just didnt focus on it, which hurt them early on but these days you zoomer pussies all game on xbox, playstation anyways so they dont care about it and neither does m$. pc gaming will continue to decrease because zoomzooms grew up on tablet os junk and couldnt build a computer or change their oil if their life depended on it

      if only you kids knew how great things were back in the mid 90's

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    mac os classic was full of more legacy garbage than win 9x. it needed to die years ago and apple was constantly trying to find a way to make it happen.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    X is Not Unix

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because there were so many technical issues with the OS and their team had their head so far up their ass they kept bolting on patches and fixes until Steve Jobs came back, shot it in the face, released System 8 to get rid of the Apple clone makers, then he told them to get their shit together with system 9 while they readied an total replacement system.

    If you look into the original Apple Mac development they made so many concessions to get the os to fit in 128k of ram that it's a miracle they were able to retrofit it to anything.
    Frick preferred and minimum size memory specifications.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was an OS designed for a monochrome single task 512KB machine they stapled shit on top of it over and over and over and over.
    It had zero future proofing.
    A shitton of software completely ignored the APIs and directly accessed the MacOS memory which forced apple to create some horrible hacks.
    It's like the Windows compatibility horror stories, but on steroids.
    Even color was a MASSIVE hack.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Even color was a MASSIVE hack.
      As a developer at the time, I don't recall Color QuickDraw being a mess. It had ways you could footgun yourself, but sticking to offscreen PixMaps and then CopyBitsing that to the screen was fine. Standard non-bitmap stuff just added colors to pens. Not saying you're lying, just wondering which part sucked for you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >512k
        The first Mac had 128k anon

        Yeah, that post i did is right on the broad strokes, but its pretty moronic on the details.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >512k
      The first Mac had 128k anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus Christ I forgot how little that thing was

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why would jobs, trying to revive a dying computing line poisoned with something like three separate internal non-standard overhauls axe them all opt for a strong and simple foundation that developers would also be extremely familiar with?
    Not even an Apple history expert or someone strongly opinionated on Unix, the choice itself was almost certainly arbitrary, BSD existed, worked fine, and had favorable terms for usage at a time where there was zero room for not-invented-here syndrome. Nintendo would do the same thing for the Switch many years later.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sony did as well: PS3 runs NetBSD, PS4 and PS5 run FreeBSD.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mac OS got recycled like the C64 and the MS 9x kernel got recycled.
    It was no longer meeting the needs of the modern era

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