why didnt he just kill himself

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    he wrote an essay about suicide maybe you should consider reading that instead of making pointless threads about the very idea

    • 1 month ago
      OP

      i tried to read but didn't understand a word

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but from what i recall the summary is that suicide is enacting on your will and it's better to dissipate away than to act

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          NTA either, but that sounds like a load of cope.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, i didn't say i agree but that's what copenhauer had to say

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like someone lost the title to his life.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because he thinks that the events of life are illusory. It is the veil of Maya. To have a nice day is to believe in the illusion to such an extent that you become deluded into thinking you hadthe power to end it. Basically, you would just get reincarnated.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he didn't believe in reincarnation

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      For Schopenhauer, killing yourself is about as useless as punching a waterfall. Since, in terms of your noumenon, viz. the Will, you are eternal.

      Yes, his reasoning against suicide is one of his weaker stances. But ultimately: self preservation. Evolution made sure we suffer.

      >We're literally in hell, there is no escape, because there is nowhere to escape to.
      I think about this occasionally. It's a terrifying possibility. And yet people, mostly thoughtless idiots, fantasize about an eternal afterlife. Most haven't thought about the reality of that, second by second, day by day, thousands upon countless thousands of years. Pure nightmare hell. Just let me sleep for once.

      Kek. All this gay ass LARPing just to cope with being ugly. Or his woo woo Buddhism is just a reaction to being an ugly, stupid homosexual. If he was brilliant and beautiful he wouldn't be such a stick in the mud

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't you?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      dont wanna go to hell

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For Schopenhauer, killing yourself is about as useless as punching a waterfall. Since, in terms of your noumenon, viz. the Will, you are eternal.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I stopped reading this fraud when he said his essay on color theory was essential to understand WWR and the entire time he shit on Newton's correct theory for hegel's hack shit

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because like all pessimist anti-natalist losers, he was a pretentious pussy clown.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      like you you mean?

      For Schopenhauer, killing yourself is about as useless as punching a waterfall. Since, in terms of your noumenon, viz. the Will, you are eternal.

      He didn’t have a kid and that’s all that matters

      We're literally in hell, there is no escape, because there is nowhere to escape to.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >We're literally in hell, there is no escape, because there is nowhere to escape to.
        I think about this occasionally. It's a terrifying possibility. And yet people, mostly thoughtless idiots, fantasize about an eternal afterlife. Most haven't thought about the reality of that, second by second, day by day, thousands upon countless thousands of years. Pure nightmare hell. Just let me sleep for once.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He didn’t have a kid and that’s all that matters

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Too busy playing the flute

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He was rich

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    according to shoppy only normies kill themselves.
    Happy normies who expect things to be perfect all the time, then when it isnt, they kill themselves.
    Pessmists always expect the world to be shit

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, his reasoning against suicide is one of his weaker stances. But ultimately: self preservation. Evolution made sure we suffer.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >self preservation
      Why preserve yourself if the existence as by the pessimist worldview axiomatically inflict more suffering than joy? They love to use this fairy-tale as a justification of anti-natalism, yet they immediately go into the mental gymnastics olympic gold medal range when they are requested to expand this same logic on their own existence and drink bleach.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pessimists being alive is not a "gotcha".

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ideological pessimists performing mental gymnastics on not applying their own worldview to the subject their personal existence is indeed rather an entertainment than "gotcha".

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        there is no mental gymnastics. that we are biologically bound to suffering and cannot end it easily is part of the pessimistic philosophy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Every normal human comprehends the inevitability of suffering. Pessimists appeal to the immorality of procreation and futility of conscious life as according to them it results in the multiplication of suffering. Yet they refuse to cease their own contribution to this multiplication of suffering and drink bleach.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You sure do seem like a very hateful person that needlessly perpetuates suffering for their own amusement.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Most pessimists would rather never have been born. Ending one's own life is not as easy as you think and may lead to more suffering for other people.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Most pessimists would rather never have been born
            The end result is the the termination of existence and according to them through that the perfect tranquility.
            >Ending one's own life is not as easy as you think
            Surely such a deeply convinced folk would gather enough balls to apply their philosophy equally between advocating the termination on all conscious life in the universe from now on and forward and their own precious self. It couldn't possibly be that it's a bunch of mentally disturbed sociopath invalids who, when faced with the proposition to follow their own outlook and drink bleach, suddenly realise that it's way easier to scribble pompously about the inexistence of all other people that are not themselves.
            >and may lead to more suffering for other people
            Oh, I'm sure in their fever dream an act of planet-wide suicide is some form of a divine ultimate good.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anti-natalism does not equate to pro-mortalism, your understanding of these concepts is shallow since you keep correlating them and acting as though they are synonymous. Individuals with an anti-natalist sentiment are obviously going to engage in suicide ideation but that doesn't necessarily mean that they promote the act of suicide, since dying and death (non-existence) are two completely different things even if one leads to the other. Anti-natalism seeks the reduction or termination of suffering. Dying while conscious is arguably more painful (emotionally and physically) than keeping on living until inevitably being released by death, unless the circumstances of suffering are just as great or greater than the suffering experienced from committing suicide, the chances of failing a suicide attempt and ending up in even greater misery than before are taken into consideration.
            Your string of posts in this thread make you come across as a petty malignant narcissist with a personal vendetta, who derives pleasure from the suffering of others and its invalidation, which is ironically, on a base level, exactly the type of personality required to force innocent creatures into this pointless existence to suffer needlessly (and possibly tremendously) until dying, although you are an extreme case since not everyone suffers from a personality disorder.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The only somwehat respectable argument for anti-natalism is the consent/gambling argument ie. that you dont know whether the child will come to love or hate life, the assymetry argument is stupid because it for some fricking reason assumes that the non-existence of an individual should account when it comes to their overall well-being, and not just whether or not they personally consider life worth it whilst living.

            Basically the assymetry argument goes that because non existence has +100 points for no suffering and -0 points for no pleasure and existence has +80 points for pleasure and -20 points for suffering, that makes non existence preferable to existence, which makes no sense since the only point which is relevant to the judgment of whether life is good or not is from the perspective of a living individual, making the non suffering of non existence irrelevant, its not like there are little souls sitting idly by in the void in the blissful calm of non existence, until we disturb them by making them come into existence, the only point which matter is whether someone thinks whilst theyre existing whether or not their existence is overall good or bad, which makes life no longer “a hole you dug yourself into which you keep trying to dig yourself out of” like pessimists like to say, but rather a simple dichotomy of either I like life or I hate life, which makes you have either 100 points
            by liking life or 0 points by hating life.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you dont know whether the child will come to love or hate life
            Even the ancients knew better. Look at the myth of Admetus of Pherae. He asked quite a few people to die for him, yet nobody accepted, not even the beggar derelicts.
            The idea of depriving a human from the gift of existence because he might dislike something in life is as wild as all the rest of these delusions.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I know, the odds are something like 80/20 if you live in the modern west as middle class or above that youll come to love/hate life, but its technically still a gamble thus the argument at least bears some weight unlike the assymetry argument which is just stupid, although I still dont think its too great of an argument since as a parent you must be willing to take the responsibility that the child comes to love life

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Anti-natalism does not equate to pro-mortalism
            >dying and death (non-existence) are two completely different things
            No matter how hard you try to twist it, the end goal and result is inexistence.
            >but that doesn't necessarily mean that they promote the act of suicide
            Their askew perception of reality promotes the pan-planetary species-wide suicide. The fact that they maniacally participate in mental gymnastics trying to distance themselves from the next logical step of their philosophy doesn't affect the nature of it.
            >Dying while conscious is arguably more painful (emotionally and physically) than keeping on living until inevitably being released by death
            Oh how afraid they are of accessing the inexistence through personal death do escape the unbearable suffering of being and how bold they proclaim the necessity to deprave the rest of the entirety of future humankind of existance to escape it.
            >a petty malignant narcissist with a personal vendetta
            Against inexistance? That's every single living organism in the universe. It is the very nature of life to have a personal vendetta against anything that prevents you from existing and multiplying for your very own "narcissist" sake.
            >who derives pleasure from the suffering of others and its invalidation
            If by "invalidating the suffering of others" you mean advocating for the proper spiritual and mental help of the literal askew-minded maniacs that glorify the termination of conscious life, then yeah, sure, I do derive pleasure in the process of psychological healing of the individual, the group, the society or the humankind as a whole.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pessimists have to spread their gospel

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pessimism is such a fricking moronic stance, the entire philosophy is based upon the idea that “the good” is merely a negation of pain, upon which we briefly feel “the good” which eventually fades and we are faced with either boredom or a new desire which will cause us pain until we fulfill it again, making it so that “the good” has no value other than as a means to negating “the bad” which is the true positive value of life.
    The problem with this is that it assumes that life can be nothing more than a pure hedonistic treadmill, where you jump from one desire to the next, but it completely fails to realize that people can and do tend to make their lives about more than just a hedonistic treadmill, and instead about holding up certain values or goals whose aim isnt to be achieved but rather to be pursued, take physics or pure mathematics for example, the people working in these fields arent generally doing these things because they expect to reach the end goal of these fields, but rather because they enjoy the process that is uncovering these things.
    Also another problem is that even in a purely hedonistic treadmill scenario, “the good” still feels rather different than merely, a negation of pain, particularly in scenarios where youre having fun aka curing boredom, yes technically these are derived from the desire to eliminate boredom, but most individuals would choose this constant surge of dopamine one has whilst having fun, than a purely painless state, which is what suicide would provide you, and which must be taken into consideration when one is considering whether one wants to commit suicide or not to preserve intellectual honesty, does one consider the good in life worth it the pains in life, and if youre living in the western world as middle class or above, and dont just dismiss all good as mere negations of pain, in terms of neutralizing it and not adding anything extra to the experience, the answer is most likely no, just find some long term goal that interests you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As overly reductive as it might sound, the ideological pessimists really come around as people who got forever stuck in that phase of psychological development where a child that hit a knee cries on the ground waiting for a parent to come pick them up, and on top of that never learned the concept of delayed gratification. They seriously unironically convince themselves and try to convince others that the mere presence of suffering devaluates the life itself and makes literal inexistence a more preferable options.
      I would've considered them the most pathetic wimps on earth if I wasn't convinced that they are literally mentally ill and require spiritual, psychological and possibly medical help.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pain can be somewhat justified if there was a purpose to life, and I don't mean "purpose" in a midiwit "make your own" way, I mean real, none made up purpose. but since there isn't one it's just meaningless pleasure and pain. you talk like we have some sort of mission here on Earth.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So your problem is a lack of an objective purpose in life, not suffering itself, and instead of using your mind to as you say “make your own way” you decide to just give up completely, which is a valid approach, but calling others who decide to “make their own way” midwits sounds like you projecting your own feelings towards on others to justify your own misery to yourself as “just the way life really is”, and not “life is like this only if I decide to remove all subjective value expect bad feelings”.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            My problem isn't a lack of purpose, my problem is existence. I'm saying that going through pain would at least be somewhat worth it if it fixed something in the world. but there is nothing to fix beyond the mess created by evolutionary life.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wha- you literally just said that if there were an objective purpose to life things would be fine, though I guess in your second comment you do make yourself a bit more clear that pain is a pretty big dealbreaker on its own (which is still stupid since at least in the modern world the amount of pain is counterbalanced pretty well by the amount of pleasure, and its only going to be increasing from here), and thus making your own goals/values, which you are fully capable of doing due to your consciousness level, can and does for a lot of people make life a rather fulfilling experience, at the end of the day life is all about fulfilling desires/following the will, killing yourself is an act of the will, thus asking yourself “what is it you wish for” and answering honestly is very important.

            The only thing I will agree on is that expecting someone else to be able to do these things does make a decent argument for anti-natalism (though not an impervious one), bur life literally can be good and worth it as long as you decide to make of it anything but the most basic sensory experience

            >but calling others who decide to “make their own way” midwits sounds like you projecting your own feelings towards on others
            no, I genuinely don't "get" subjective purpose, for me purpose has to be objective, otherwise it doesn't make sense. but im not judging anyone if it makes them happy or whatever, just that, the idea doesn't seem right.

            Maybe the word purpose is a bit heavy handed here(though i dont think it is personally), but if you want me to rephrase it, lets say its creating your own values/long-term-goals which are expected to be pursued, not completed, like for instance in my physics/pure mathematics example, the upholding of which justifies the suffering to you

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >my problem is existence
            This "problem" is entirely solvable. Only, like all pessimists, you of course chicken out of solving it, preferring to instead bear through the "unbearable" suffering of your existence and lecture sane people on the necessity of termination of life other than your own.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No you fool, if I could "solve" it I would. I mean that it's a problem in two ways, first that is suffering, it's inexcusable, literally, no reason for it to exist. the second, is that it's a problem in a metaphysical sense, like how does reality work? why does it exist in the first place? etc

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >if I could "solve" it I would
            You're thinking too high of your cognitive ability. You still haven't figured out the nature of life as a perpetual and constant movement, and the cornerstone role "suffering" plays in it, yet oh how boldly you're already ready to proclaim the mastery of it. "It is I after all, surely I would've solved it by now if I could".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            what the frick? im not "proclaiming" anything.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Point being, dumb frick, is that your ability to solve your own problems, especially if these "problems" constitute still at whatever age you are not having figure out that overcoming "suffering" to elevate yourself above your own self is what life it--from bacteria to human species, are limited to say the least.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Omfg, of course you wont be able to find a solution purely based on logic, the point is that you dont need to, since the will being emotional, means you can fabricate emotional reasons to justify the suffering, or in other words creating “meaning” instead of finding it through logic.
            However this meaning being emotional, doesnt make it any less valid than any solution you would arrive from based purely on logic, since the decision to suicide is also ultimately an emotional decision based upon the will, its just that it sets its goal as something far more basic, thus the point of deciding about what to do, should be judged based upon intellectual honesty, rather than rationality, and thus whether or not you want to commit suicide should be judged solely on whether or not your goal is purely to rid yourself of suffering, or to experience something more concrete/uphold some ideal

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I see, well thanks but like I said earlier I don't get subjective meaning. I'd much rather just minimize my pain without attaching a story to it.
            as for choosing whether or not to live, that's entirely personal. for me my life is only worth living if I could either help a lot of other people to minimize their suffering and/or study reality and find "Truth". and right now I seem capable of neither.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >my life is only worth living if I could either help a lot of other people to minimize their suffering
            >and right now I seem capable of neither
            You are perfectly capable of that. It's what being a good man is. To your family, to your friends, to people around you. That's what makes life good -- the ability to do and receive good.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >but calling others who decide to “make their own way” midwits sounds like you projecting your own feelings towards on others
            no, I genuinely don't "get" subjective purpose, for me purpose has to be objective, otherwise it doesn't make sense. but im not judging anyone if it makes them happy or whatever, just that, the idea doesn't seem right.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some mfers love being miserable. We all know at least one

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Suffering and death are integral parts of the human condition, regardless of health or social status, the gambling aspect comes from the degree of suffering not its existence. Procreation is essentially the satisfaction of one's social and biological urges at the expense of an innocent being who's forced into existing against their own will, commonly under the notion that the negative will be counter-balanced by the positive, which is unfounded and highly subjective. If you were never born you wouldn't have to be put in the position of questioning whether you "like" or "love" life in the first place, obviously most individuals are going to disingenuously and naively lean into this attitude anyways due to fear of death and necessity of survival.
    I'm not trying to come across as a philanthropist, because you don't have to be a philanthropist in order to avoid committing murder. Society is obviously going to portray reproduction as the ultimate selfless act of love to perpetuate itself (shaming and ostracizing anyone who dares oppose this notion, as can be seen in this thread) but in reality it's the complete opposite and this deserves to be pointed out. What each individual chooses to do with this information is up to them entirely, I personally consider it unnecessary and harmful, and the individuals that go through with it are clearly lacking in rational empathy, if not emotional. I'm not an anti-natalist activist since it's unnecessary, the extinction of humanity is an inevitability with or without contribution, I apply this concept onto myself exclusively and recommend others to do the same, although I hardly believe this counts as activism.

    >Anti-natalism does not equate to pro-mortalism
    >dying and death (non-existence) are two completely different things
    No matter how hard you try to twist it, the end goal and result is inexistence.
    >but that doesn't necessarily mean that they promote the act of suicide
    Their askew perception of reality promotes the pan-planetary species-wide suicide. The fact that they maniacally participate in mental gymnastics trying to distance themselves from the next logical step of their philosophy doesn't affect the nature of it.
    >Dying while conscious is arguably more painful (emotionally and physically) than keeping on living until inevitably being released by death
    Oh how afraid they are of accessing the inexistence through personal death do escape the unbearable suffering of being and how bold they proclaim the necessity to deprave the rest of the entirety of future humankind of existance to escape it.
    >a petty malignant narcissist with a personal vendetta
    Against inexistance? That's every single living organism in the universe. It is the very nature of life to have a personal vendetta against anything that prevents you from existing and multiplying for your very own "narcissist" sake.
    >who derives pleasure from the suffering of others and its invalidation
    If by "invalidating the suffering of others" you mean advocating for the proper spiritual and mental help of the literal askew-minded maniacs that glorify the termination of conscious life, then yeah, sure, I do derive pleasure in the process of psychological healing of the individual, the group, the society or the humankind as a whole.

    There is no need to commit suicide because you're going to die eventually, this applies to the universe as well. In your case though, you should probably take your own advice and have a nice day by drinking bleach, illiterate moron, learn how to speak english before trying to participate in an argument on a literature board out of all places.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Poor pessimists, they always get so hissy when it comes to ridding themselves of suffering instead of the abstract of countless humans beings that they take upon themselves to damn to inexistence. I wonder if that has anything to do with their mental sickness, or is it the craven nature of some people that aggravateы their condition and pushes them towards megalomaniacal perception of being where they take it upon themselves to deprive human beings not only of life and will, but of the very existence itself.
      Don't cry to hard on that, I'm sure some time you will manage to have a thread full of similar askew-minded patients here and won't get your mentally ill snout stuck into the puddle of your own inconsistencies and inhuman behaviors. But until then, I think it's time for you to run off and cry in a pillow. After all, that's the only thing you can do not only about the unbearable suffering of the existence of the conscious life, but also about the terribly unbearable existence of your very own self.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous


        You're not even trying anymore.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not even trying and you still disprove your philosophy with your every breath. Such is the reality of all the askew-minded pessimist lunatics in dire need of help.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're an overly-aggressive ESL teenager who believes that anyone who chooses not to reproduce should commit suicide, this means you're a highly empathetic person who is deeply concerned with the well-being of humanity, and certainly not a deranged sociopath. I've got it already, you can stop replying to my posts with inane drivel. My advice to you is: you've got far bigger issues to deal with right now, which are more important than an imageboard argument, primarily BPD and illiteracy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            See, boy, the thing is the reality of existence will proceed to follow the same laws regardless of how hard you'll try to convince yourself that you're not an askew-minded mentally ill lunatic at the expense of dropping your defensive strokes at my general direction.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He wasnt a b***h ass homie jerking it to troony porn

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He wasn't as pessimistic as people make him out to be. He tolerated life

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