Why didn't Iberia have a prosperous civilization during antiquity like Greece or Rome?

I know Cordoba exists, but that is the medieval period. And Carthage and Rome don't really count as they were part of a greater empire where the capital was elsewhere.

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Civilization" spread from trade contacts mostly in metals with the levant. Not an accident civilization spread westwards first Greece still in the bronze age and Italy in the early iron age.
    But because not everything going smoothly weird stuff included
    >bronze age collapse in Greece
    >etruscans civilizing earlier than south italians than then got greek'd
    >phoenicians doing the same to the iberian shores

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because Celtiberian and Iberian cities-state and tribes did quite the same thing Spaniards have been doing since then until today, fighting each others for some tribal primitive rivalries instead of joining again outsiders.

    A Roman historian actually had the same question and ended up realizing that if all Iberians got unified as during Viriatus and Sertorius rebellion, they would have got Romans into troubles, but its more easy for them to end up fighting each others and then getting btfo by a unified foreign power, be it Romans, Muslims, etc.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      weren't greek city-states also fighting against each other, which is why they got consumed by the romans?

      • 3 months ago
        Ο Σολιταίρ

        Not at all; competition breeds fitness; this is why Persia couldn't conquer Greece. After the consolidation of Greece under either Sparta or Athens, however, it became easier for Macedon to conquer Greece in a couple fell swoops.
        Rome just cleaned up the mess on the floor.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          And even with that you have been always more unified, even during pre-macedonian unification there were these games and alliances uniting the cities on an EU-like alliance against barbarians.

          Then after Roman conquest Greece stayed united as a bulwark until 1453 and even at modern era Greece is strongly united, only some cretans are a bit of independentists but still are an irrelevant political force.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Greeks actually were more advanced plus they btfo invaders and stayed unified for most of their history.

        Iberian and Celtiberians were defeated first by Phoenicians (who burned down Tartessos) and then got btfl into economic and political submission as vassal cities and tribes by Carthage that (as Romans) took advantage of the rivalries from every single meme culture existing there.
        Through all Middle-Ages it was the same, there was a point around 1000-1100 when there were around 30 self proclaimed kangdoms with their own shitty identities fighting each others.

        During modern era just look at 30 Years war, the mass scale chimpout independentist rebellions across all of Spain, from Portugal to Andalusia, to Basque Country and Catalunya did more at btfo Habsbourgs than any foreign power.

        Iberians have been always a bunch of stupid villagers unable to unite even when they are getting btfo by an alien culture. They quite chose to fight for tribal affairs than trying to do something as a united block.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >around 30 self proclaimed kangdoms
          It's kinda funny to see all of these meme identities

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Black person, no one is a Taifa nationalist.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            SOVL

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Funny how your post is supposed to make Iberians look bad but you admit yourself that the only way to defeat them is to keep them divided.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The greek cities all sided with Rome vs both the Antigonids and the Seleucids. Fast forward a few decades the former gone the latter basically roman clients with royal heirs held hostage at Rome repeatedly and the Ptolemaics were little better off

        Not at all; competition breeds fitness; this is why Persia couldn't conquer Greece. After the consolidation of Greece under either Sparta or Athens, however, it became easier for Macedon to conquer Greece in a couple fell swoops.
        Rome just cleaned up the mess on the floor.

        This didn't work at all be it in Greece of in Gaul, if the gauls had been capable of an unified response to Caesar's incursion he wouldn't be able to subjugate half of it before the final revolt that nearly beat him with just the other half

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It did bro look up Tartessos

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Tartessos
      We don't know that much about it, plus it wasn't as great as Greece or Rome

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It was significantly "greater" than contemporary Rome for most of their mutual existence

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          perhaps, but rome became more successful eventually and took over the entire Mediterranean
          even when they took over greece we still at least recognize their legacy
          very little about iberians aside from the fact that basque still exists

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bantu tier

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            So was R*me

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Iberians lived along the Mediterranean coast and in the south and centre of the Iberian Peninsula, as well as in the French Languedoc region.

    However, the native peoples were pretty opposed to the idea of having Roman overlords, or any overlord: two centuries of intermittent wars followed, together with an intense process of romanization based around the cities, these became centers that served to settle veterans, solving the always pressing problem of the lack of common lands, ager publicus, in Italy.

    By AD 100, Latin was the common language for all and many Romans from Italy were living in the towns of Spain and were prominent citizens. The family of Seneca and Trajan and Hadrian and maybe Juvenal were all Spanish by birth.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is tartessos.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They did, much like the Celts, Germanics, and Etruscans. They either didn't have writing or it didn't last because of a combination of Romanization, Christianity, and in the specific case of Iberia, Muslims.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because 60% of Spain is a mountainous arid shithole

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are Iberians making IQfycels seethe so much?

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think OP you lack of enough culture and education to judge matters beyond your knowledge.

    First of all, Iberia was a conglomerate of peoples overlapping since the stone age.
    Second, Iberia was a gigantic peninsula that was covered everywhere by forest until what you call 'antiquity'. Italy had something similar, however, is an strip of land accesible by the po valley and everywhere else by ships in travels of less than two weeks.The reason you remember Rome and not the Sammnites or Sappians is a matter of luck+cultural exchange and having the Etruscans as the catalyst.
    Third, there were huge organized peoples that you are unaware. Look for instance for the Argaric culture during Bronze age. One quarter of spain was influenced by that society.And even earlier by Los Millares.
    Fourth, 'Phoenicians' and Minoans, Myceneans et al influenced the Greeks that influenced the Etruscans and the Romans. That requires contact, and Iberia is literally in the 'end' of the mediterranean

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It had Tartessus which Strabo and Herodotus say was rich and had a big fleet trading in the Atlantic, and the cities in the Mediterranean coast were literate.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look up Iberian script and Tartessian script

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos
    Better question is why they didn't reach the level of relevance or importance that Ancient Greece or Rome did (on large scale).

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Too far from the near east, although we know too little about tartessos;

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      They reached that level or better but there are no written records about it.

      Greek writers already spoke about Tartessos being an older civilization than Egypt with many kings that lived for the previous 9000 years (Polibio). They commerced with Africa and the Middle East. They had a writing system. They had advanced cities.

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