Why didn't North Korea follow China's footsteps and enact the Dengist reforms after they did?

Why didn't North Korea follow China's footsteps and enact the Dengist reforms after they did? They would have overtaken South Korea by now and the Saudis are proof hereditary leadership can exist in a wealthy nation.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Chud Anon

    Because Juche is the highest IQ 7D chess ideology ever conceived. Grand Marshall Kim Il Sung was so intelligent, that he grew a second brain creating his ideology.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if we Koreans catch you chinese rat posting, you won't be hiding and shitposting from the comfort of your own safe place anymore

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China didn’t become successful because of the reforms but rather because the international community stopped sanctioning them and waging economic war on them the moment they dropped socialism. Actual inequality within China is at an all time high. All things considered, North Korea is doing as well as it possibly could considering the entire world (even their own capitalist allies) are sanctioning them and seek their destruction.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US immediately lifted the embargo on Vietnam when they did their reforms, so at the least they'd be slightly behind Vietnam today.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        China didn’t become successful because of the reforms but rather because the international community stopped sanctioning them and waging economic war on them the moment they dropped socialism. Actual inequality within China is at an all time high. All things considered, North Korea is doing as well as it possibly could considering the entire world (even their own capitalist allies) are sanctioning them and seek their destruction.

        The US normalized with Vietnam in the 1990s, after it had normalized with ASEAN, participated in a UN process to withdraw from Cambodia, began credible economic reforms, and in every other way demonstrate that it wanted to be a normal country.
        North Korea would legitimately like normalization, it's just unwilling to do anything that would actually attain it. The strategy seems to be that it will present a fait accompli in terms of its system of government and nuclear capability, and that everyone else will eventually give up and drop everything in exchange for a few symbolic gestures. In the status quo, North Korea is not likely to actually attack or do anything beyond trolling (like the recent balloons), and its birth rates are below replacement, so everyone else just seems content to run out the clock on them.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because that hereditary leadership had no reason to hand off its power to state-backed capitalists when they were doing just fine and dandy. In reality, the only way to reform North Korea is going to be for a China-Japan-Seoul alliance to bribe the shit out of at least a supermajority of the nobility.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Chud Anon

      >Because that hereditary leadership had no reason to hand off its power to state-backed capitalists when they were doing just fine and dandy.

      This is true. North Korea reforming along dengist lines would be like Feudal lords reforming along capitalist lines. Sure, it would make more people rich, but the inner circle doesn't want to give up their power.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody cares brownie

        • 3 weeks ago
          Chud Anon

          browns won

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fricking shitskin, openly admitting you want to wreck the white race. Please have a nice day immidiately you brown rat!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Chud Anon

            le no

            We're also starting to see the end of Dengism's alliance between their state capitalists and government officials (and its perverse reflection in the West) so maybe we should wait a bit before we start jerking off over super patriotism great future Chinese Coca-Cola being the solution for all nonaligned despotates.

            Dengism is still reversing poverty in China while western neoliberalism just sees money funneling into the hands of a shrinking circle of coastal parasites. At least Dengism can force capitalists to act in manners beneficial to the state, instead of leaving them to their own devices to rob the state blind.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nobody cares what you have to say, shitskin! youre a fricking turd world subhuman rodent! have a nice day!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its very simple the BaSeD Juche ideology, we don’t like Nips, we don’t like Chinamen, we don’t like Basketball Americans and we want to enslave white Americans and chop Israel into thousands of pieces

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >we don’t like Basketball Americans
            Dennis Rodman is one of the biggest friend of DPRK though

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thats because he’s honorary Korean unlike Floyd

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >force capitalists to act in manners beneficial to the state

            This is the operating phrase here. That's the most important part of Dengism, and that's also why Putin has been successful in his own reforms. The social contract in China post-Deng has been that you can do whatever you want in business and to your fellow man as long as you don't controvert the state. However, it doesn't work when the state has gone insane and turned into the shrinking circle of parasites, as we now see in the Princelings.

            The attack on Jack Ma and new guidelines for various other debt-ridden businesses and businessmen has upended the first part of that, and Xi has totally removed any collaboration or other voices within the Party that might have told him no. The state-curated businesspeople now want more power, and this struggle is going to collapse the already flagging mandate of the CCP. They made 100 million people rich, but now those 100 million rich people want something more out of the party than it can provide without losing some power.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if udon like it in Best Korea because of racism why dont u shitty changke and mutts go back to shanghai or america no ones forcing u to go to Pyongyang go back to ur own country u shitty tourist scum

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're also starting to see the end of Dengism's alliance between their state capitalists and government officials (and its perverse reflection in the West) so maybe we should wait a bit before we start jerking off over super patriotism great future Chinese Coca-Cola being the solution for all nonaligned despotates.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We don’t care about the Chinamen Deng or his bullshit ideology built on greed and worship of money, changke kamdungi!

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. US Sanctions probably make that difficult
    2. Why would the Kims give up their power? They are quite literally worshipped as gods.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Saudis didn't give up their power.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Saudis are U.S. aligned. In fact, the U.S. order and economic power post-1945 was destroyed by the Saudis, so now it does whatever it wants because it holds back socialism and can destroy the U.S. at any time.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Japanese netouyo will get the same treatment from us Hwan kpop bvlls as well too

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because North Korea is a military power while China is a purely economic power. All manufacturing capabilities of North Korea are funneled into ammo production. In the case of war between the two states the only advantage China has is bodies but they're cowards who understand the risk that sending hundreds of millions of chinks to get bombed to death poses to their economy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the only advantage China has is bodies
      China has always outproduced North Korea, and now has a substantial tech advantage.
      Other than WMD and potentially artillery/missile bombardment of Seoul, North Korea has nothing going for it militarily. It's been decades since throwing undertrained, underequipped conscripts at the enemy was a valid strategy.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dengism succeeded in large part by Deng acknowledging that South Korea (and japan) were way farther along in terms of development. Dengist China and the ROK had a massive amount of cooperation and trade so China could learn. If North Korea tried the same thing its citizens would start recognizing immediately that the entire Kim dynasty hadn’t been working as well as the south.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Koreas must reunite under a traditional monarchy. Neither the neoliberal matriarcal plastic hypercapitalism state of the South, nor the moronic dictatorial hypercommunist hermit personality cult state of the North.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Korea will unite and defeat Chinese, Japanese, Israel and black Americans alltogether and wipe them out for good once and for all! The trvth nvke power of the Hwan bvll

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also I have to say we enslave all white peoples and the Finnish Empire will be resurrected after carving up Russia. Only Kim Jong Il-ism and Natsoc Juche are the only ideologies allowed on the penalty of death

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why doesn't Cuba do it? Fidelcito is long gone and I don't see why they should keep getting sanctioned over shit from sixty years ago

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cuba tries, Americans try to pull the sanctions, but the Cuban-American lobby stops it.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    chinkshit and lefty/misc/ bunker troon astroturfing thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      newbie doesn't know best korea is worshipped on /misc/

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    North Korea is more constrained with the actions it can take in this regard because South Korea exists. Anything that weakens the control of the Kim dynasty could have a cascading effect because there's an easily visible alternative to the north. It could trigger a massive outflow of N. Koreans to the south or create other problems. If the Korean peninsula had been unified under communism, it may very well have reformed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why didn't the RoC existing have this same effect on the PRC? Why isn't there a big "Mainlander Defector" community in Taiwan?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Taiwan isn't a viable alternative polity in the same way Worst Korea is.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like the other guy says.

        RoC is incredibly small next to mainland China.

        Taiwan has it's own emerging national identity.

        Mainland China also has the option of invading Taiwan in the future, so the PRC isn't as constrained here.

        That's just a guess.

        But there are plenty of reasons why someone would conceivably want to live in mainland china as opposed to Taiwan. But if north korea and south korea had the same politics or freedom of movement between them, a lot of people would leave the north and there wouldn't be much a justification for its independence.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even SK is ceasing to be an alternative polity. The Norks recently took down the reunification monument and seem to suggest that SK is a foreign country in New language.

          Maybe this is laying the groundwork for a new national identity and reform?

          I wonder.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            go back to /r/sino sniveling little chang

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wut?

            I'm not pro-NK or China.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Maybe this is laying the groundwork for a new national identity and reform?
            There's nothing else to them. There's no chance of militarily conquering the South, even if the Americans entirely left.
            There's no chance of confederation or any sort of joint or shared arrangement.
            Any sort of talk of unification or commonality just causes contagion as people in the North come to want southern things without any reciprocity.
            And realistically, the division predates the great wave of decolonization and if all of those states are considered real countries, then one could reasonably argue that the two Koreas have diverged too far.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Among other things, there isn't freedom of movement between the two.
        Nor any compelling equivalent of the Ostpolitik/willingness to integrate immigrants from the other that West Germany had in Taiwan.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Taiwan is a small island a hundred miles from the Chinese mainland. South Korea is literally right next door to NK.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Diplomatically, they overestimated their position in the 1990s and were unable to attain a settlement with the US/Japan/South Korea.
    In general, there has to be a point to the DPRK, to justify its existence and the positions/privileges of its elites. If there isn't value to Juche, if they're going to do what everyone else is doing, then they just become shitty South Korea. And as we saw with East Germany, being the superfluous, less populous , substantially poorer relation is a great way to get swept into the ashbin of history. It didn't happen for China vis-a-vis Taiwan/Hong Kong because those lacked the scale to be credible alternatives to CPC rule, which wasn't in doubt anyway. It's not impossible, but certainly vastly more difficult for the VWP to substantially economically liberalize while avoiding irreplaceable population outflow and maintaining control.

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