Why do muslims trust Allah, and why should anyone?

Why do muslims trust Allah, and why should anyone?
>inb4 two or three of these points are debatable so it doesn't count

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >schizo incel rambling without sources

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But enough about the quran

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I literally give you the numbers for surah and verse everytime it's needed you schizo. You're not even trying. You can use this website to check the verses for example https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/19/71/w4wbv.html

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've never seen your schizo incel ramblings before.

        >And if Allah were to impose blame on the people for their wrongdoing, He would not have left upon the earth any creature, but He defers them for a specified term. And when their term has come, they will not remain behind an hour, nor will they precede [it].

        How did this morph into "kill all human beings"? This is clearly about wrongdoing found everywhere. This is found in the bible.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >How did this morph into "kill all human beings"?
          That's literally what it means. "dabbat" means moving creature. So he would only leave dead creatures.
          >This is found in the bible.
          Except the Bible has a narrative to justify that, with original sin, in which islam doesn't believe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >That's literally what it means.
            The translation was different from what you intentionally miswrote.
            >dabbat" means moving creature.
            Not humans in particular.
            >Except the Bible has a narrative to justify that, with original sin
            There is no original sin in the Hebrew Bible, it's a New Testament invention.
            >in which islam doesn't believe.
            The narrative to justify that would be the concept of sin which exists everywhere. The original sin concept is an excuse to throw everyone into hell.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Not humans in particular.
            Guess what humans are?
            >There is no original sin in the Hebrew Bible
            Pretty sure there is.
            >The narrative to justify that would be the concept of sin which exists everywhere
            Prophets in islam are supposedly sinless. This ends up refuting islam either way.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Guess what humans are?
            My point is that it extends past humans and that's what the text states. You are focusing on things the text never said.
            >Pretty sure there is.
            You clearly have not read them. Original sin and trinity are New Testament inventions that are nowhere present in the Hebrew Bible.
            >Prophets in islam are supposedly sinless.
            Firstly, prophets aren't always alive, read the Hebrew Bible. Secondly, these scriptures are intended for regular people not the prophets.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it extends past humans
            So you concede humans are concerned by the verse.
            >You are focusing on things the text never said.
            You've just conceded that humans would all be killed if God judged us, so this is irrelevant.
            >You clearly have not read them. Original sin and trinity are New Testament inventions that are nowhere present in the Hebrew Bible.
            >The biblical basis for the belief is generally found in Genesis 3 (the story of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden), in a line in Psalm 51:5 ("I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me"),[2] and in Paul's Epistle to the Romans, 5:12-21
            Cope.
            >Secondly, these scriptures are intended for regular people not the prophets
            What part of "any creature" is difficult for you? Try to refute some other point because you're not very good at this one.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >So you concede humans are concerned by the verse.
            I never said otherwise. You were twisting things to make it seem human-only.
            >You've just conceded that humans would all be killed if God judged us, so this is irrelevant.
            That's not what the verse said.
            >The biblical basis for the belief is generally found in Genesis 3 (the story of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden)
            The story has no mention of original sin or baptism which are invented in the New Testament.
            >in a line in Psalm 51:5 ("I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me")
            This has nothing to do with original sin, but is another grasping at straws attempt. This is talking about the nature of repentance and Deuteronomy 24:16 already established that no person is ever punished for their parents’ sins.
            >What part of "any creature" is difficult for you?
            Prophets are not "any creature" they are not a species and not always around, brainlet.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You were twisting things to make it seem human-only.
            No I wasn't. But now that I think about it, killing all those innocent animals only adds further weight to my argument. Thanks.
            >This is talking about the nature of repentance
            No idea what this gibberish means and I don't care.
            >24:16 already established that no person is ever punished for their parents’ sins.
            And? You still inherit a sinful nature, get it?
            >Prophets are not "any creature" they are not a species and not always around, brainlet.
            Yes, prophets are creatures who belong to the human species, and no human is "always around" brainlet. They're not sending their brightest.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >No I wasn't.
            Yes you did.
            >No idea what this gibberish means and I don't care.
            Because you didn't read the Hebrew Bible as established earlier and have to copy paste from wikipedia.
            >And? You still inherit a sinful nature, get it?
            Humans being sinful is not the same original sin, get it?
            Yes, prophets are creatures who belong to the human species, and no human is "always around"
            Humans are always around. This is clearly talking about the population level, brainlet. Hence the plural.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Again, thanks for adding weight to my argument.
            >Humans are always around. This is clearly talking about the population level
            This is so ridiculous I'm not even sure you understand what you're trying to argue against.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not sure how to further dumb it down for someone this moronic. Plural means multiple. Did you understand that part? This is clearly in reference to people as a whole being sinful and it's ludicrous to think it refers to prophets.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >not a single moving creature
            It doesn't say "except prophets". Stop being moronic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's drivel.

          >eternal hell for victimless crimes like polytheism or unbelief?

          Why would a Christian be shocked at what's in Christian doctrine? The whole screencap is schzo incel rambling. Everything is either made up or feigned shock at some random thing "why would God send people to hellfire?" have you ever looked into Christianity?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why would a Christian be shocked at what's in Christian doctrine?
            Ever heard of virtuous pagans?
            >Everything is either made up
            Name exactly one "made up" thing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Ever heard of virtuous pagans?
            They end up in hell and it's not a biblical concept. The New Testament established nonbelievers go to hell and you're trying to ignore that.
            >Name exactly one "made up" thing.
            The first thing was made up as was the rest.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The first thing was made up
            Let's see some translations of this verse.
            https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/19/71/default.htm
            >And all of you will go through it. This is a decree from your Lord that must be fulfilled.
            >and there is not one of you but shall pass through it: a decree from your Lord which must be fulfilled
            >There is none of you, but ones who go down to it. This had been a thing decreed, that decreed by thy Lord.
            >Every single one of you will traverse it; this is an irrevocable decree from your Lord.
            >There is not one of you but will go down to it. This has been an unavoidable decree of your Lord
            >And not from you [(who are mentioned in Verses 19/65-70) would remain outside] but must be one who entered it (i.e., Hell). (This) is unto your Nourisher-Sustainer, a decree, decreed
            >And decidedly not one of you (there is), except that he will go (herded) down to it; that, for your Lord, has been a thing decreed, a must
            >It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you will be taken to hell
            >There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord
            >There is not one of you who shall not go down to it: such is a thing decreed, determined by your Lord
            >Not one of you there is, but he shall go down to it; that for thy Lord is a thing decreed, determined
            >There shall be none of you but shall descend into the same hell: This is an established decree upon thy Lord
            >There is not one of you who will not go down to it,- that is settled and decided by thy Lord
            >No one is there of you who shall not go down unto it - This is a settled decree with thy Lord
            >There is not one among you who shall not pass through it: such is the absolute decree of your Lord
            >And there is none among you who He will not pass through (experience) Hell! This is, by your Rabb, a definite decree.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Ever heard of virtuous pagans?
            They end up in hell and it's not a biblical concept. The New Testament established nonbelievers go to hell and you're trying to ignore that.
            >Name exactly one "made up" thing.
            The first thing was made up as was the rest.

            Now can you please point out a "made up" point?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Passing near it isn't the same as going inside which you dishonestly implied. This is biblical, but you wouldn't know that, since people in heaven and hell can see and talk to each other (also another point in the screencap).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes it depends on translation, good job for repeating exactly what I said.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I literally didn't repeat a word you said, brainlet. Passing close to hell to get to heaven is not the same as going to hell. If you had read the Hebrew Bible, you would know the New Testament established that hell and heaven are next to each other where people can see and talk to each other (disproves another point in the screencap). All of the things you wrote are like this intentionally typing something the text doesn't say or you don't like something that's also in Christianity.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Passing close to hell to get to heaven is not the same as going to hell
            Why do you pretend to have read

            >The first thing was made up
            Let's see some translations of this verse.
            https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/19/71/default.htm
            >And all of you will go through it. This is a decree from your Lord that must be fulfilled.
            >and there is not one of you but shall pass through it: a decree from your Lord which must be fulfilled
            >There is none of you, but ones who go down to it. This had been a thing decreed, that decreed by thy Lord.
            >Every single one of you will traverse it; this is an irrevocable decree from your Lord.
            >There is not one of you but will go down to it. This has been an unavoidable decree of your Lord
            >And not from you [(who are mentioned in Verses 19/65-70) would remain outside] but must be one who entered it (i.e., Hell). (This) is unto your Nourisher-Sustainer, a decree, decreed
            >And decidedly not one of you (there is), except that he will go (herded) down to it; that, for your Lord, has been a thing decreed, a must
            >It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you will be taken to hell
            >There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord
            >There is not one of you who shall not go down to it: such is a thing decreed, determined by your Lord
            >Not one of you there is, but he shall go down to it; that for thy Lord is a thing decreed, determined
            >There shall be none of you but shall descend into the same hell: This is an established decree upon thy Lord
            >There is not one of you who will not go down to it,- that is settled and decided by thy Lord
            >No one is there of you who shall not go down unto it - This is a settled decree with thy Lord
            >There is not one among you who shall not pass through it: such is the absolute decree of your Lord
            >And there is none among you who He will not pass through (experience) Hell! This is, by your Rabb, a definite decree.

            when you obviously haven't?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why do people belive in religion
    Because their parents and culture raised them to. It's not like you go to the religion store and pick out the best one after carefully reading and logically comparing every religion.

    If you were born in ancient Greece, you'd be praying to Zeus. If you were born in medieval Norway, you'd be praying to Odin. If you were born in ancient Egypt, you'd be praying to Ra. If you were born in a Muslim country, you'd be praying to Allah.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Two attempts have been made to refute me, both have failed. Anyone else?

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