Why do people keep believing this meme when it's legitimately the opposite in history.

Why do people keep believing this meme when it's legitimately the opposite in history. Every time there's a "strong man", they just enslave the people and cause a corrupt, impoverished despot. That or war themselves into enviable ruin.

Seriously. Have people never looked up Russian history before?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Midwits love latching onto the idea of cyclical history because its easy to digest since it relies on referencing past events and projecting them onto a modern context. In reality it amounts to nothing more than an inverse gamblers fallacy, the false idea that because something happened before it must happen again
    As for why its this meme specifically, its probably just because the lines it uses rolls off the tongue well and are easy to remember. Sometimes it really is that moronic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      People love to glorify dictatorships until they are in one.

      Mmmm yes gentlemen only we supreme BIG BRAINED men know the truth.
      >farts
      >inhales it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they are right

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This isn't big brained. Only morons and abused college girlfriends worship controlling and forceful people.

        It's a maturity thing as authoritarians want to be treated like toddlers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if that's your takeaway from his post you're braindead moronic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Referencing past events and projecting them into modern context is exactly what the human brain does, its called "thinking". Or is your frontal lobe not that developed?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no you see there’s an arc of history and we’re better than people before and blah blah blah
      Shut up, you probably still believe in appeasement

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This isn't big brained. Only morons and abused college girlfriends worship controlling and forceful people.

      It's a maturity thing as authoritarians want to be treated like toddlers

      The problem isn’t that the ideas you critique aren’t wrong, it’s that you criticize them in a way that betrays a lack of understanding.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People love to glorify dictatorships until they are in one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Most of human history after the formation of states has been dictatorship

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's so true and so very funny:

      https://spandrell.ch/2024/3/3/a-post-mortem-on-neoreaction
      >So why is strong government less appealing these days? Well, COVID happened. And our governments were pretty damn strong in dealing with it. They made strong laws and enforced them. And what did they do with their power? Absolutely moronic shit. They destroyed the world economy and made 95% of people completely miserable for 18 months. Up to 3 long years in some places. Again, as an Orient enjoyer I was very sympathetic of strong, effective government. My life has been pretty cozy thanks to it for the past decades.
      >But after seeing boomers, hypocondriacs and neurotic menopausal women take the reins and use it against healthy people, I'm fricking done with strong effective government. Frick that shit, I'm out. I don't want to see strong government ever again. I was very lucky that I was out of China in November 2019. It was a fluke really. I moved to the Golden Triangle after that and the law of the jungle was much, much nicer during the Doctors Plague of 2020-2022. But I spent a few months in Europe during the time and man, that was brutal. Not just seeing how moronic governments were; the level of compliance by the people was so disheartening. Imagine being a sincere fascist and seeing your people behave like that.
      The fascist's worst nightmare: seeing people comply with a strong government's laws.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        everything he said was a good observation

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is, they always forget that for every problem they don't find a personal simple do it yourself solution they expect the bureocracy to fix it, including bureocracy itself

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    itt entitled homosexuals wishful thinking

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because that knuckledragger Ibn Khaldun said it, and that other knuckledragger Spengler repeated it.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "strong men" =/= "a strong man", the quote is referring to the strength of character found in the general population or lack thereof, the fact you assume to be strong means to be dominating is very telling in itself

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The meme isn't clear if it's about the government or civilians or both. Regardless the point stands. You don't want a "strong population" because they won't be up for conversations and they'll be annoying to govern even the most basic of stuff. Once again, Russia has had a pretty strong population, but their civilization has sucked for centuries

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >anecdote anecdote anecdote

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          History is anecdotal, moron. Do you want me to bring up stats about how string people doesn't particularly mean good?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >History is anecdotal, moron
            Going by this declaration you fit the qualifier better
            >Do you want me to
            I don't want you to do anything, if you can't make a reasonable argument not based on your interpretation of a fact more cultured people could give dozens of counterexamples to than you could simply just not write anything

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the strength of character found in the general population or lack thereof
      what exactly does that mean and how can one judge it

      is character like midichlorians or what? do you dip a strip in the wastewater and measure the character of a given population? Do you spend a million lifetimes following each person around day and night to see who they really are? or do you just look at what society seems to be richest, most developed and most influential? I feel like that would end up pointing you toward the societies that enjoyers of this very meme most disdain

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It basically means a the society has adventurous people who have had to undergoe high levels of selection. They have high TFR, warrior culture, aggressive, energetic, nationalist, but also free of much vices. Outwardly expansionist peoples basically.

        The Late romans for example didn't have any of this, they had low TFR, wouldn't join the military, preferred to pay others or just pay off enemies, focus on hedonism and "having a normal one", completely defensive in nature, didn't care about their civilization, focusing on obscure religious cults, and were generally debauched. Thats weak men. The Germanics were laregely the opposite

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. People are confusing a moral and independent population, a prerequisite for a government with a high degree of freedom, for authoritarianism.

      The saying is about cultural ethos and decadence, not about specific government forms. This is especially true with Rome.

      Ah yes, those heckin weak liberals who care about people's civil rights and economic inequality.....if only we let those strong conservative white men in charge who don't have any policies beyond trafficking illegals out the country, banning black mermaids from movies and attacking 50 trans basketball students in Oregon..

      You’re strawmanning, but arguing that the Weimar govt dindu nuffin is disprovable by the simple fact that they were incapable of maintaining stability in Germany and allowed the Nazi party to be elected, which led to the largest war in history that destroyed Europe.

      >the strength of character found in the general population or lack thereof
      what exactly does that mean and how can one judge it

      is character like midichlorians or what? do you dip a strip in the wastewater and measure the character of a given population? Do you spend a million lifetimes following each person around day and night to see who they really are? or do you just look at what society seems to be richest, most developed and most influential? I feel like that would end up pointing you toward the societies that enjoyers of this very meme most disdain

      >define virtue
      I think in this context one element is that the people are simply competent and independent enough that it is efficient to allow them to participate in government. Once the people fall into hedonism and apathy and it becomes more efficient for bureaucrats and strongmen to do the work, that is what the state will naturally become. In the U.S. the average American is obese and politically apathetic, and even those that are politically involved usually wholly ignore local government. The bureaucracy in America is just a natural result.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are confusing “strongman politics” with the theme of “strong men”. A “strongman” is just as you say, but the meme is trying to invoke a concept of “strong men” which not well defined, but for the purpose of discussion of this meme, we will define as “civilization builders”. In this particular case, this meme is using the Roman Republic and its founders as a stand-in for “strong men”. The men who created Rome were indeed “strong men”, by any sense of the word. Were they created by “hard times”? This is debatable, but for Rome, it wasn’t necessarily “good times” that created them. The Roman Empire originated as the consequence of decades and into centuries of warfare, which in itself could be considered “hard times”. Although this is not a clear case, since all the people they conquered objectively had “harder times”, and had Rome lost, the outcome for them would be very different. So although not wrong in this particular case, the first panel can be criticized as being too simplistic, but it is not objectively wrong in the case it discusses.
    In the next panel, Rome is shown to be prosperous, as the “strong men” created good times for the empire. Was it the same “strong men” who created Rome’s prosperity? Again, it’s debatable, but I would argue there is substantial overlap and in Rome’s case it’s largely true.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Finally we come to the last two panels, where the “good times” create “weak men”. In this Roman case, the good times are shown as a decadent scene of feasting and sex. Who the “weak men” are is not strongly indicated, but the implication is the most corrupt and depraved Roman emperors and that period’s aristocracy. Certainly they played a part in Rome’s downfall, and I would argue this is largely true. A fish rots from the head, as the ancient phrase/meme says. This is concluded with the final panel where the “weak men” create “hard times” show as the sacking of Rome. This is where the meme goes a bit off the rails I'd say, since those sacking Rome would most strongly resemble the Roman founders in panel one. But the focus is not on those sacking, but those being sacked, who are now the “weak men”. These hard times did not lead immediately to “strong men”, of course. And this cycle or chain did not continue in any clear manner. So the meme is not exactly accurate, but does have some truth.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Finally we come to the last two panels, where the “good times” create “weak men”. In this Roman case, the good times are shown as a decadent scene of feasting and sex. Who the “weak men” are is not strongly indicated, but the implication is the most corrupt and depraved Roman emperors and that period’s aristocracy. Certainly they played a part in Rome’s downfall, and I would argue this is largely true. A fish rots from the head, as the ancient phrase/meme says. This is concluded with the final panel where the “weak men” create “hard times” show as the sacking of Rome. This is where the meme goes a bit off the rails I'd say, since those sacking Rome would most strongly resemble the Roman founders in panel one. But the focus is not on those sacking, but those being sacked, who are now the “weak men”. These hard times did not lead immediately to “strong men”, of course. And this cycle or chain did not continue in any clear manner. So the meme is not exactly accurate, but does have some truth.

      I think the meme has some truth, at least when compared to the Roman Empire. But seeing it as the hidden rule in all of history is yes, dumb.

      If this meme were accurate the Roman Empire would never have fallen, since every time there was a civil war, it would create a hard time, and thus create the people to restore the empire to greatness. But as we know the crisis of the third century and the wars both internal and external of the 4th and 5th just created harder and harder times until the empire fell.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Darn do these gotchas suck. The problem with these semantic games is that you can easily make them go one way or the other. I could very easily claim that breakaway states the late empire experienced were an example of provincials getting their shit together, realizing that the empire couldn't protect them, and later accepting the birth of entities at the same scale at the hands of barbarians. It's a gay game of forcing your perspective through.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because the meme works like clockwork when you look at everything that happened from the 1930s to today.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes, those heckin weak liberals who care about people's civil rights and economic inequality.....if only we let those strong conservative white men in charge who don't have any policies beyond trafficking illegals out the country, banning black mermaids from movies and attacking 50 trans basketball students in Oregon..

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Ah yes, those heckin weak liberals who care about people's civil rights and economic inequality.....if only we let those strong conservative white men in charge who don't have any policies beyond trafficking illegals out the country, banning black mermaids from movies and attacking 50 trans basketball students in Oregon..

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        We shouldn't even be having to deal with any of those things, and leftists are the only reason we have to spend our time preventing you from sterilizing children and replacing the country with dysfunctional shitskins instead of colonizing Mars.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Go back to X, Elon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The funny thing about this "brown people are why we aren't colonizing space" is because if white people were of the mind to ruthlessly exploit out-groups instead of being inclusive, whites wouldn't be colonizing space they would be having WWIII and WWIV and so on.
          Racist morons don't realize the empathy of white people is why you're not getting shelled by "fellow whites".

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Care and empathy has gone too far and causes pipe-dream delusions and wishful thinking, which undermines the society we all live in.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >One extreme is bad therefore the opposite extreme is good

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Care and empathy has gone too fa-
          >*gets banned off Facebook*
          >NOOOOOOOO CARE FOR ME RIGHT NOW!!!! NOOOO NO FAIR!!!!

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its generally much more true than not true. Especialy the good times creating weak men part. Its a constant cycle especially in the middle east where a nomadic force takes power, its descendants become sedentary and weak and then get conquered by nomads again.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Americans are spoiled and pampered, yet they are still taller on average and physically stronger than people in so called “hard times” countries.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: A bunch of weak men don't like the implications of this meme

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >t.weakest man

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Did you actually read this thread? Evidence indicates no….

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think the meme has some truth, at least when compared to the Roman Empire. But seeing it as the hidden rule in all of history is yes, dumb.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Have people never looked up Russian history before?
    Hard times creates slavs
    Slavs create hard times

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >There's good thing until bad things happens and then afterwards good thing happens
      I hate Chuds man...

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do people keep believing this meme
    Because it offers an easy explanation that validates their pre-existing beliefs.
    It has the added benefit that it's unfalsifiable so they don't need to provide conclusive evidence, they can just blame nebulous concepts like "degeneracy" or "esprit de corps" to explain away the rise and fall of civilizations.
    Because actually studying subjects like economics, sociology, demographics, etc. is just too hard.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Test

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Read TOYNBEE immediately!

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Seriously. Have people never looked up Russian history before?
    No. For these sort of people, history is the world wars and the "ancient" world. Nothing else has ever happened.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People love to reduce history to single sentences, that one is famous, another is 'those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it' even though its impossible for history to repeat because history is always changing.
    It something about human psychology where you reduce the complexities of the human experience down to simple aphorisms.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A rich and prosperous country is bait for parasites. They swarm in and eat.

    A harsh and brutal land only keeps people who can survive it, and people looking for easy lives will avoid it if they can.

    The environment filters people. Why do you hate this 'meme'? Maybe its simplistic but its decent enough

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Maybe its simplistic
      And moronic. Especially since you make being prosperous seem like a bad thing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The environment filters people
      If this were true the meme would really be inaccurate, since Italy very prosperous country with a very mild environment and would never have produced hard men.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hislets plz. When you read about Guiscard's beginnings in Calabria or Borgia's establishment in Romagna do you gather that these regions were prosperous and safe?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    morons on social media parroting dumbass memes and outrage they see on facebook and making them their ideology.

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