Why do we act like Android and ChromeOS don't count towards Linux market share when they are clearly based on Linux?

Why do we act like Android and ChromeOS don't count towards Linux market share when they are clearly based on Linux? Just because they are altered and distrubuted by a company doesn't make it any less Linux. They could've based it on NT, Darwin, BSD, Hurd or their own kernel but they didn't, they choose Linux because it just worked for that usecase and if it wasn't for Linux maybe Android and ChromeOS might've never been sucessful in the first place. Linux is the most used consumer operating system in the world, every other claim is just cope.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because people running ChromeOS doesn't benefit people running actual Linux distros like Arch/Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu/Mint/Pop or any other FOSS distros at all. Your ideology is not used, programs are not compatible, it's not Foss, it doesn't benefit anyone except Google. Linux users benefit more from people using windows than they do from people using ChromeOS.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It has the dev mode virtualizing debian.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can run majority of Linux programs on ChromeOS tho. Also how does someone running Ubuntu or Fedora benefit the Linux community?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because ChromeOS and Android are not typical Linux distributions.
      >what makes them different?
      Typical Linux distributions use the GNU operating system on top of Linux, ChromeOS and Android are operating systems that use the Linux kernel but no GNU programs.

      For some reason these morons are perfectly capable of recognizing Android and ChromeOS as independent operating systems but refuse to acknowledge GNU as one. Calling GNU "Linux" does nothing but create confusion among users and divert all funds to the Linux Foundation and GNOME instead of the GNU project.

      why would the ideology or use case matter? if you install windows on a toaster is it suddenly not windows anymore? but somehow installing linux on a smartphone does make it not linux? this is bullshit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody is saying it's not based off a linux kernel, it's just not GNU+Linux that everyone thinks of when they say "Linux". It being closed-source, proprietary, paid, tied to a massive corpo ecosystem, and being so heavily edited that it's unusable by just using the foss android code makes it nothing like what people who enjoy linux like. You can use it but that doesn't change the fact it doesn't at all improve the life of any linux user who hopes for a bigger market share. And the reason people want a bigger usage share of linux is so that software, particularly say games or adobe suite, are forced to support linux distros if they don't want to lose out on money. Even if ChromeOS or Android have 100% usage share, that doesn't help linux people run Adobe suite or Fortnite on their PC.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It being closed-source, proprietary, paid, tied to a massive corpo ecosystem
          Android is open source, Apache licenced, free as in free beer and you can use it without any corpo software. Nice try winshill

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            FOSS android is unusable, the slop that you get on Samsung or Xiaomi phones is not FOSS.

            Well if say, ChromeOS reach even 10% there will be massive attention to general Linux distros.
            It's not ChromeOS per se. PC has been synonymous with Windows even to this day. If something manages to break it there will disruption. Anyway, I'd take ChromeOS over Windows anytime.

            ChromeOS could have a 80% usage share (it never will, it has failed to hit the mainstream audience and is stuck below 2%), and it wouldn't change anything for linux users outside of it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ChromeOS has no software and games anon.
            Actually I'm rooting for it over Windows or MacOS.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >FOSS android is unusable
            I've used it with f-droid for that past 5 years, it just works.

            ChromeOS has no software and games anon.
            Actually I'm rooting for it over Windows or MacOS.

            >ChromeOS has no software and games anon.
            Minecraft runs on ChromeOS, not much but the hardware isn't made for more anyway

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well if say, ChromeOS reach even 10% there will be massive attention to general Linux distros.
          It's not ChromeOS per se. PC has been synonymous with Windows even to this day. If something manages to break it there will disruption. Anyway, I'd take ChromeOS over Windows anytime.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's because wingays can't cope with the fact that their OS is irrelevant. 70% of all consoomer devices run Linux, only 10% run Windows. This is hard facts. Look how the winshills will react to this. N-NOOOO ANDROID IS NOT "REAL" LINUX WHAAAA

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          B-but linux is only used in toy devic-ACK! https://www.top500.org/statistics/details/osfam/1/

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, if you install Windows on a toaster it's still Windows. If you install GNU on top of the NT kernel, it's still GNU.

        The problem is that morons began to call the GNU operating system "Linux". So now there is "Linux" as a kernel and "Linux" as an operating system (which actually means GNU).

        Here's an example: the first version of Linux Subsystem for Windows had zero Linux code. In reality it was the GNU operating system running on top of the NT kernel. Why was it still called "Linux Subsystem for Windows" instead of "GNU Subsystem for Windows"? Because morons have been refusing to admit GNU is an OS since the 90s and instead call it "Linux". Now we have several non-GNU operating systems that use the Linux kernel and this is confusing for users because they have absolutely nothing in common besides the kernel.

        The solution would be to classify them correctly: GNU, Alpine, ChromeOS and Android. All of which are operating systems that use Linux as a kernel. This gives and asthma attack to the anti-FSF and anti-Stallman crowd so it won't happen.

        >FOSS android is unusable
        I've used it with f-droid for that past 5 years, it just works.

        [...]
        >ChromeOS has no software and games anon.
        Minecraft runs on ChromeOS, not much but the hardware isn't made for more anyway

        Android cannot be compiled without proprietary tools and proprietary blobs. The only project that can do that is Replicant, another FSF project.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The problem is that morons began to call the GNU operating system "Linux". So now there is "Linux" as a kernel and "Linux" as an operating system (which actually means GNU).
          Frick off Richard

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no argument
            I accept your concession.

            The thing is you can run Linux without GNU but you can't run GNU without a kernel. Herd is not ready and it won't be in the coming decade.

            Thing is you can run GNU without Linux. It can run on the FreeBSD kernel (in fact before the release of Linux that was the intention), it has run on top of the Solaris kernel and ironically enough on top of NT.

            On the other hand it is Android and ChromeOS the operating systems that cannot run without Linux, so why do you call them by their proper names but not GNU?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >so why do you call them by their proper names but not GNU?
            I don't, it's all Linux

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The thing is you can run Linux without GNU but you can't run GNU without a kernel. Herd is not ready and it won't be in the coming decade.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally false. The reason why MediaTek are such good upstream contributors now, when they used to be dogshit, is because Google trained them to be better when they were making Chromebook SoCs. Also, Snapdragon Chromebooks run freedreno, and Google are heavy contributors to upstream freedreno because of this.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because ChromeOS and Android are not typical Linux distributions.
    >what makes them different?
    Typical Linux distributions use the GNU operating system on top of Linux, ChromeOS and Android are operating systems that use the Linux kernel but no GNU programs.

    For some reason these morons are perfectly capable of recognizing Android and ChromeOS as independent operating systems but refuse to acknowledge GNU as one. Calling GNU "Linux" does nothing but create confusion among users and divert all funds to the Linux Foundation and GNOME instead of the GNU project.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SteamOS on the Steam Deck doesn't count either, virgin.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GNU/Linux, not Linux

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