Why do WHG populations looks vaguely like native americans?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Solutrean admixture in Amerindian populations

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Solutreans were only 1/3 WHG and no Native American has any Solutrean. X2 is from ANE.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There isn't any Solutrean admixture in Native Americans I'm aware of. It's more that some of their Gravettian ancestors weren't all that genetically distant from ANE.

      Solutreans were only 1/3 WHG and no Native American has any Solutrean. X2 is from ANE.

      WHG were unrelated to Solutreans and Magdalenians, it's more that admixture from the former two is found in WHG due to mixing and WHG expanding through their microlith texhnology. WHG was an Epigravettian migration closest to Dzudzuana, and like EHG/EEF they spread out from somewhere in the more eastern/Caucasus/Balkan regions. They spread westward of course in the case of WHG.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >WHG was an Epigravettian migration closest to Dzudzuana
        I don't think so. Dzudzuana(Kotias_UP) looks pretty Gravettian-like but not in the same way as WHG. They had a common ancestor with WHG sure, but Dzudzuana had a small amount of Basal probably about 1/3 as much as Anatolian farmers(estimate).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think WHG is so far drifted any UP WEs populations will resemble each other more than them...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sure, but the drift isn't that big of an issue if you use formal tools. Anyway, even with Global 25 something like this works.

            Target: Austria_Krems1_1:I2483_noUDG
            Distance: 2.3686% / 0.02368601
            86.0 Czech_Vestonice16
            14.0 Georgia_Kotias_UP:NEO283

            Target: Italy_Mesolithic.SG
            Distance: 33.6840% / 0.33684048
            100.0 Austria_Krems1_1:I2483_noUDG
            0.0 Georgia_Kotias_UP:NEO283
            0.0 RUS_AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
            0.0 Czech_Vestonice16

            So the preference is for Krems over Vestonice, not that it makes a big dent on the distance since the drift is still massive. But this is as close you can get to a link between WHG and UP Caucasus.

            https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1

            It's not in contradiction with what I said, but I think they hyped up the link because they had less Paleolithic genomes available back in 2018.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So WHGs are just bottlenecked krems-like gravettians? Make sense with both their haplogroups being I and U5

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Probably. The only other thing they might have is GoyetQ116 but if they do it's a minor component.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't WHG closest to the non-basal part of Anatolian Hunter Gatherers?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because those WHG reconstructions often have swarthy or brown skin, straight black hair, prominent cheekbones and broad jaws, so they superficially resemble northern Native Americans with pseudo-white features, but not the south Native Americans who look like jungle adapted and similar to SEAnigs instead.

      >Aren't WHG closest to the non-basal part of Anatolian Hunter Gatherers?
      Anatolian HGs clearly took after their basaloid side going by the looks of their primary modern descendants.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anatolian HGs clearly took after their basaloid side going by the looks of their primary modern descendants.
        They look exactly like I'd expect from a half 1/3 australoid 2/3 Europoid pop

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, so basically:
    >Humans pull up to the Levant, Mesopotamia, and Mediterranean Coast
    >Much colder than now, at times
    >Develop aquiline nose to filter cold air within the nose before reaching the lungs, as opposed to Africans who have short, flat noses with larger nostrils, meant to suck up large amounts of hot soupy air.

    Look at an elevation map of Africa, and then look up "Habesha Ethiopians" and see what their noses look like (high elevation+trees+mountains=cold). Entirely different from sub-saharan Africans

    Whites have sloped forehead, aquiline nose, so Native Americans in much of modern-day US and Canada have aquiline noses, lighter skin, basically more features we'd typically associate with whiteness, or being Caucasian.

    Look at Natives from, say Michigan, or the Dakotas, and then go look at Natives from Mesoamerica, or South America. World pf difference in terms of appearance

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Keep in mind that this wouldn't be possible without west eurasian admixture though. ANE in natives and Natufian in Horner habesha.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > World pf difference in terms of appearance
      Not really. They look similar.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not at all dude. It’s like the difference between a Swede, an Iranian, and an Ethiopian. They all have the same skull, and are all placed into the “predominantly Caucasian” category, but they all have unique ethnic features. I’m not even talking about skin color or hair texture here.

        Look at the photo I have attached.
        Left: Sioux Native (Northern US)
        Top Right: Mesoamerican Native (Guatemala)
        Bottom Right: South American Native (Brazil)

        Completely different features, adapted to their respective environment. Look at the frickin nose difference, it’s no less of a variation than between a European and a Central African.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, anon. We know natives are a mixed population of ANE and SEA. With the SEA traits being selected in jungle pygmy populations and ANE traits being selected in the cold forests or plains of north America.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can cherrypick too

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > Ethnic features don’t exist
            > Humans do not adapt to their environment over extended periods of time

            You think it’s just a silly goofy random coincidence that natives living at the arctic circle have chink eyes and lighter skin no different from a Siberian Mongoloid living in the windy frozen tundra? You think it’s a coincidence Natives in Southern Canada and the Northern/Central US have noses like Europeans and Mediterraneans? You think it’s a coincidence natives living on the equator in Brazil have the darkest skin on the continent and noses like blacks?

            Are you moronic?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and then look up "Habesha Ethiopians" and see what their noses look like
      got their noses from caucasoids of southwest asia
      >Native Americans in much of modern-day US and Canada
      got their noses from white ANEs

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This one is the best reconstruction of a WHG that we have and it look vvaguely like a mix of european and native american.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is not a real reconstruction. Natives are SEA apes with ANE grandpas. Any resemblance to whitees they have is due to this. ACTUAL WHG reconstructions make them look like baltid baboons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This one it's a nice reconstruction
      It look like an europid eskimo.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reconstructions being good or not have nothing to do with your autistic and debunked solutrean nonsense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >your autistic and debunked solutrean nonsense.
          I'm not the other anon.

          I just prefer a more realistic reconstruction of WHG like this one

          https://i.imgur.com/Vz0i9PK.jpg

          This one is the best reconstruction of a WHG that we have and it look vvaguely like a mix of european and native american.

          over fanfiction like these.

          https://i.imgur.com/HIHjkVe.jpg

          This is not a real reconstruction. Natives are SEA apes with ANE grandpas. Any resemblance to whitees they have is due to this. ACTUAL WHG reconstructions make them look like baltid baboons.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is this AI? If not, then who is the author of the reconstruction?

            No one is. It's some coping moron mad about WHGs being 160 cm congolese pygmies

          • 3 weeks ago
            Svetovid

            Nothing remotely Congolese about European HGs, you should post proper reconstructions, homeboy.

            >being 160
            Their height varied, depending on the territory's degree of edible flora and fauna. Some were short, and some were very tall, like the Motala and those from Ukraine.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe. I still prefer EHG to WHG.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Svetovid

            Interactions between WHG and EHG ended rather poorly for EHG males, there's shittons of EHG admixture in the Motala and the Eastern WHG, but zero EHG Y-DNA.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We know this already. Scandinavian and Ukrainian HGs got introgressed by WHG males. However in other scenarios like baltic and also EHG themselves, EHG/ANE got the better of them. I also think WHG were physically strong and good fishermen, just they were dwarves mostly.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Svetovid

            The short ones weren't short due to genes, but dogshit access to food, WHG had gene selection for great height.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fair.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Svetovid
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yep, Ukrainian HGs got introgressed by probably balkan WHG who fled the farmers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Svetovid

            Why would they flee the farmers, when all attested interactions with farmers resulted in HG lineages replacing farmer lineages?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They fled the farmer way of life is more accurate. I just theorize on why it took until the neolithic until WHG REALLY started introgressing to Ukraine_Meso.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I doubt there was any increase in WHG it was probably just getting averaged out over time within Ukraine but even that happened between 9000 and 7000 BC.
            This sample is 7000 BC.

            Target: UKR_Meso:I5876
            Distance: 5.0215% / 0.05021528
            64.2 RUS_Sidelkino_HG
            35.8 ITA_Villabruna

            and this sample is 4000 BC

            Target: Ukraine_N:NEO508
            Distance: 6.7994% / 0.06799351
            65.4 RUS_Sidelkino_HG
            34.6 ITA_Villabruna

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/42gKRPb.png

            Iron gates WHG are arround 80%Whg 10% ehg and 10% ANF but 90% R1B

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Like I said. It depended. Ukraine and Scandi HGs were WHG male + Female EHG mostly. Other regions such as baltics and Iron gates a bit different. Also Villabruna.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Iron gates WHG are arround 80%Whg 10% ehg and 10% ANF but 90% R1B

            ANE males flourished in river-less open plains or mountainous areas. WHG males flourished in regions with rivers and lakes and great seas. WHG seems to be very skillful boatmen while ANE were likely just bullying WHGmidges in open country where WHG couldnt flee across a great body of water.
            Picture an ANE giant fording a great river his chest barely above the water level which is about 25' deep while WHGdwarfs paddle away in little canoes dragging an ANE women behind them.
            Really I suppose the WHG men could all have the large ANE woman as like a raft and they are holding onto her with their little black arms and paddling their little black feet as a blonde ANE giant hurls himself into the water causing a massive wave which the WHGs use to surf the ANE goddess away from the ANE giant.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Likely it was robust blonde ANE huntresses exploring the fringes of their territory, pillaging the sea and river camps of the WHG males, taking their fish and often raping them at will.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am inclined to believe this somewhat as well considering Northern European women with high steppe are really b***hy and independent. This is good for ensuring your sons have BVLL energy but it also means if you aren’t gigachad they are going to run off and frick whatever they want.

            However personally I like the idea of the eternal underdog the WHG midgets getting in hilarious antics trying to steal women from a large ANE chief.
            Maybe they are seven brothers or something and they are fine with sharing one woman as long as she’s pretty enough. Like Snow White and the seven dwarves.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Funniest poster on IQfy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I just prefer a more realistic reconstruction of WHG like this one
            Yet is not a reconstruction but a literal ai generated image made with prompts.
            While the other 4 are reconstructions made from a skull.
            So no. Posting random pics you wish to be true wont make them anything close to a reconstruction
            Science and reality itself favours the other images.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mordvix cope.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bloated faces will never be a thing of pre-historic peoples.
            Where's the hollowness of the cheeks? Large cheekbones and square jaws create this with low bodyfat %

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So buccal fat removal is really just women WHGmaxxing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Svetovid

      Is this AI? If not, then who is the author of the reconstruction?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he's so dreamy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        N-no homosexual right?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As seen here WHG have the worst height genetics out of all Ancestral populations. Even ANF. They were much stronger physically though. Robust little dwarves.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Strong
      >literally weaker than ehg fingols
      Lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        EHG were strong as shit. They would wring the necks out of any other contemporary pop.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was based on modern populations. Chances are they used Saami people as the WHG reference because why not.
      Although Latvian men aren't the tallest in the world, Latvian women are so the association with WHG and height doesn't seem inverse.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Very fair. The study also had other problems.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    luv me modern huntergirls
    simple as

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They don't look Native American to me

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They dont
    Thats just the clothing/hair style

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine being an ANE male in Eastern Europe and having to be all like "damn, WHG woman, you frickin' fine, all sexy with your midget body and horrific balto-faelid monster face. I would totally have sex with you, both my kin and me myself. when all you really want to do is frick another 16 year old ANE girl in your cave dwelling. Like seriously imagine having to be an ANE man and not only sit on that lake's shoreline while an WHG woman flaunts her disgusting body in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing her black, leathery skin, and just sit there, day after day, hour after hour, while she perfects that fishing technique. Not only having to tolerate her monstrous fricking visage but her haughty attitude as everyone of her tribe tells her she's STILL PRETTIER THAN THOSE ANF GIRLS and DAMN, GIRL LOOKS LIKE THOSE FERTILITY VENUS FIGURINES?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch her mannish fricking gremlin face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been fricking nothing but a healthy diet of blonde ANEs and Zagrosians and later alleged rape victims in East Asians for your ENTIRE life coming straight out of the boonies in Siberia.

    1/2

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2/2

      You've never even seen anything this fricking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on her taut, pitch black stomach as she sucks it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to sit there and revel in her "statuesque (for that is what she calls herself)" U5a beauty, the beauty she worked so hard for with personal decorations made of deer shit and sea shells in the previous months. And then the chief of her tribe calls for another ceremony, and you know you could kill every single WHG in this tribe before the WHG men could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're a fricking ANE man. You're not going to lose your future EHG and Indo-European future over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick is wrong with Iranian HGs?

    First Pop - FST - Second Pop
    Mbuti - 0.268 - IAM
    Mbuti - 0.265 - WHG
    Mbuti - 0.265 - Taforalt
    Mbuti - 0.246 - Natufian
    Mbuti - 0.214 - Iran_N
    Mbuti- 0.119 - Somali

    First Pop - FST - Second Pop
    Yoruba - 0.201 - WHG
    Yoruba - 0.196 - Taforalt
    Yoruba - 0.191 - IAM
    Yoruba - 0.183 - Natufian
    Yoruba - 0.151 - Iran_N
    Yoruba - 0.050 - Somali

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They had Nafri and Abo admixture which made them weird genetically.

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