Why does it piss people off that this man followed Clarkes third law Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic and...

Why does it piss people off that this man followed Clarke’s third law “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” and his elves don’t actually see their works as magic? Or that the black machines of Mordor are seen as literal black magic?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, but most of what the elves did was actually magic though; not just advanced technology, but literal magic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The point is, it’s not “literal magic” to the elves, you moron.

      Let me ask you this. Does God view His miracles as miraculous? Does He view Himself as a God?

      Is the human a god to ants? Is the act of dropping a single green jelly bean on an anthill a miracle?

      This is literally just double-sided logic. What is magic to one is not necessarily going to be magic to another.

      Magic isn’t anything even in fiction. It’s psychological, not substantial.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but it's still literal magic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The same way 21st century science is literal magic, sure.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Whats the blue thing bottom right?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Orb.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cherenkov radiation

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, because that's limited to what you can do with physical objects and laws.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Tolkien’s universe doesn’t have laws, you say? I’m pretty sure it was Sang into creation, you dolt.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            morons can't understand that you can create a fictional universe with its own logical rules.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Right, that's supernatural creation. Magic. That isn't science. Science is materialist.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If the magic exists within its own fiction, then it’s not exactly supernatural, is it?

            If something exists, it is natural. What is unnatural is merely a relative opinion.

            Tough shit, buddy. It’s not supernatural to God/Eru.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Magic exists in our universe though...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but if a wizard proclaims that he'll make an object with 10^26 distinct particles levitate for 12 seconds and then it does you can always just claim it was a "natural" occurrence and mere coincidence with chances on the order of 1/(10^10^700) and therefore not magical.

            That's a small intellectual price tag considering you get to pretend to be smug on the internet.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >he thinks magic wouldn’t have a background to it
            Then it doesn’t exist even within its own fiction I guess.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What's the grey photo?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Idk I don't read genre fiction

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine being so miserable

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkien was an idiot

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >child molesters itt trying to degrade real literature with their genre schlock jargon
    why don't you run off to Sri Lanka to frick little boys like your hero did

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >There is something which unites magic and applied science (i.e., technology) while separating both from the “wisdom” of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had beenhow to conform the soul to reality, and the solution had beenknowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem ishow to subdue reality to the wishes of men; the solution is atechnique. - C.S. Lewis

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkien fans don’t even know their own author anymore. They will scream at you now OP.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Entire premise is wrong. They use actual magic and recognize it as magic. They are created and their entire history is known; they do not develop nor have any need to develop technologies.

    Put down the pipe and read a fricking book.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they do not develop nor have any need to develop technologies.
      They do, and it's Art.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They use actual magic
      They don't see it that way.
      > and recognize it as magic
      They do not. The same way we don't refer to our cellphones as magic wands. They'd certainly be to persons from antiquity.
      > they do not develop nor have any need to develop technologies.
      The elves and Mordor both make use of materialism/technology, but there is a difference between that of sincerest art, and power that is used purely to dominate.

      — 'Both of these (alone or together) will lead to the desire for Power, for making the will more quickly effective, – and so to the Machine (or Magic). By the last I intend all use of external plans or devices (apparatus) instead of development of the inherent inner powers or talents — or even the use of these talents with the corrupted motive of dominating: bulldozing the real world, or coercing other wills. The Machine is our more obvious modern form though more closely related to Magic than is usually recognised.'

      — 'I have not used 'magic' consistently, and indeed the Elven-queen Galadriel is obliged to remonstrate with the Hobbits on their confused use of the word both for the devices and operations of the Enemy, and for those of the Elves. I have not, because there is not a word for the latter (sinceall human stories have suffered the same confusion). But the Elves are there (in my tales) to demonstrate the difference. Their 'magic' is Art, delivered from many of its human limitations: more quick, more complete (product, and vision in unflawed correspondence). And its object is Art not Power, sub-creation not domination and tyrannous reforming of Creation. The 'Elves' are 'immortal', at least as far as this world goes: and hence are concerned rather with the griefs and burdens of d**hlessness in time and change, than with d**h. The Enemy in successive forms is always 'naturally' concerned with sheer Domination, and so the Lord of magic and machines; but the problem: that this frightful evil can and does arise from an apparently good root, the desire to benefit the world and others* — speedily and according to the benefactor's own plans — is a recurrent motive.'

      This is all from the big man himself.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkien was a hack

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does the narrator not refer to magic as magic?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He does when it suits him, but he also goes in to clarity why it’s also not magic. It’s just a way of looking at things, the world, nature, etc.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s honestly fricking offensive just how stupid Tolkien fans are in majority

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It is true, the elves in LOTR don't call what they do "magic." The OP is likely correct.

    It's rather that when the Elves make something, to perform a purpose, they make it so completely and thoroughly that it performs its purpose in a way that appears to be supernatural. For example, Glamdring is a sword meant to fight the forces of evil; the smiths of Gondolin made it so adept at its purpose that it has seemingly supernatural properties, like its tendency to glow when servants of the Enemy are close. But this was not done by the casting of a spell. The Elves didn't force the universe to do their bidding in the making of their things; rather, they created their things so well that their functions were naturally more than normal. That feels like what's being gotten at.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP is wrong tho

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You do not own the rights of this image. Please delete it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He has permission. It was given to him.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It pisses them off because they don’t get the logic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It pisses them off because it’s reddit logic

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why does it piss people off that this man followed Clarke’s third law “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”
    The Hobbit and LOTR predate that quote. moronic thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That quote does not predate its own logic, anon. It’s just a no brainer. Exposure logic. “How did you do that? It’s like magic…”. Derp.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong. No one said such a phrase before Clarke. Tolkien didn't "follow" Clarke's ideas.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >No one said such a phrase before Clarke
          That’s not what I said, you illiterate slime.

          The devices of Roger Bacon were seen as literal fricking wizardry. The logic predates the quote by centuries.

          Actually millennia, if we go by the solar death rays of Archimedes and such.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't care what a moronic homosexual like you says. That's not what OP is claiming in the first place. Leave your israeli tricks for Amerigolem, rabbi.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But what OP says is true. Tolkien is using the same sort of logic that Clarke did.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's not what he's saying. He's saying Tolkien followed Clarke's law. That never happened. Stop trying to use your weasel israeli tricks. "Same logic already existed", that's not the argument.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Clarke’s third law is literally just common fricking sense, you royal dipshit.

            An alien UFO is borderline magic to us.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >technology
    Because it is the wrong approach only midwits care

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What did Marika pull out of the godskin cloth?

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