Why haven't airplane cockpits fully transitioned to touchscreen interfaces?

Why haven't airplane wienerpits fully transitioned to touchscreen interfaces?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >touchscreen interfaces
    unreliable in an industrial environment

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because touchscreen interfaces are worse in every conceivable way

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP, are you OK? Really, how you doin'?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >plane runs on jeetdroid
    >screen lags and freezes
    >PULL UP! PULL UP!
    >ayo muhfricka dey pull up button aint workin

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek

      > open apps
      > accidentally press clear all apps
      > flightCont

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >screen lags and freezes
      When the F-35 problems started piling up and people thought about going back to F-16 until things got better, the pilots all of a sudden informed us all that after the mid life upgrade, the main computer failed regularly. And why was this said in the open!?
      Life outdoes sarcasms, every time.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The "UI" of a wienerpit never changes, so there wouldn't be much of a point in implementing touchscreen controls, where the whole point is to allow for malleable UIs.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what if a pilot loses their eyesight mid-flight

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's the mistake of Hiring manager or flight operation manager/ chief pilot to hire a visually impaired person.

      not the mistake of touch screen display

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i said he lost it mid flight dumbass. what if the the stewardess spills coffee in his eyes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sounds like a moron pilot issue, not touch screen display issue

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was joking about the eyesight thing but the tactile sensation probably makes it easier for pilots to find the right button or nub right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then they can't be a pilot. If that happened the copilot would take over. If it's a single pilot operation, then the plane is small enough not to have an automated landing system and they die.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine this screen having a malfunction or cracking. You immediately lose 98% of your controlling capability, moron

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Commerical aircraft are generally slow to adopt new technology, being risk averse. The 'aluminum tube with wings sticking out' design is largely unchanged for the last 60+ years. That said, some smaller private jets have adopted touch screens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnLe4Rm7QzY

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >accidentally fat finger the descend button

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >descend button
        Autopilot altitude is controlled by a dial, not a button.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >use touchscreen slider
          >glitches out because some outsourced Jeet shat in the code, and randomly jumps to min or max value

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its either a pull or push for Airbus, pull for open descent, push for managed descent

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based

      soon all commercial aircrafts will have touch screens

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      when gpt aircraft?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If my private jet has digital controls instead of analog then I’m getting off the plane

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is the newest model

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        genuinely thought this was some arab model until I saw the gold chains

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish I had a way of sentencing OP to a (short) lifetime of riding on planes that exclusively use touch screen controls

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imprecise.
    No time to flip through 10 pages of settings with slow animations to find tge toggle you're looking for.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we add 10 screens instead

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can solve both those problems with multiple touch screens, and hand stabilization. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ox-7MOESQ&t=5m35s

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This isn't modern high tech, you absolute ball of neovag lint.
        This is adding and then solving problems that don't need to exist. Busy makework for no reason at all. Muh future!
        Physical buttons work. They are independent of each other. They have proper tactile feedback.
        Physical button: tangible object, just there because IT A THING.
        Virtual button: the power supply drives a subsystem of integrated circuits, MOSFETs and passive components while an insanely complex software stack drives a miniature tractor beam pushing on your fingertip using frickstrong magnetic fields.
        God damn jesus menstruated you're all fricklord tools.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't we throw in a kinect and use motion gestures for flying while we're throwing out moronic ideas?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mostly because of redundancy concerns but also because the more integrated you make systems the harder/more expensive/time consuming/specialised it is to diagnose and repair them. The average aircraft mechanic is as thick as a brick and in the 3rd world, more so, and these aircraft need to be able to be fixed anywhere in the world at a moments notice by halfwits following a checklist.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >go to press button
    >turbulence
    >finger slides across a bunch of buttons
    >"oops"

    >dry finger
    >touchscreen doesn't pick it up

    >wet finger
    >touchscreen doesn't pick anything up until the moisture is wiped off

    also good luck replacing any discrete-position rotating knobs. touchscreens aren't suitable for applications requiring precision

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pic related is peak comfy

    I 'm more of a Boeing guy though

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why haven't [sensible industrial system] fully transitioned to [inferior technology]?
    You have brain damage.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    while all physical controls should stay physical, they need to upgrade these CNI-MU / HDD controller things. The interface is exactly the same as a debit card reader at a gas pump, just with a much larger directory tree. Mushy deep rubber buttons you can't tell you've pressed all the way until the screen changes. Jagged 16ppi screens that take noticeably longer to read text on. Dogshit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably just the most reliable thing they could possibly make
      most industrial shit is not the most ergonomic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        probably, and unfortunately "industry standard" lag is too strong in commercial/military aeronautics, god damn.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what is garmin g3000

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Touchscreens are cheaper, and that's their only benefit. They are actively dangerous.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are switching to touchscreens, especially high mid pricate planes. Didnt spacex use touchscreens in their manned rocket? Posting in thread full of morons that have never even bought a plane

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Didnt spacex use touchscreens
      yeah. ipads, in fact

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >smoke fills cabin
      so much for muscle memory switches

      touchscreens are THE most unreliable tech conceived. the fact spacex uses them screams all the more that space is indeed fake.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        SpaceX does not have to worry about high pressure drama such as being shot at or incoming missiles.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Didnt spacex use touchscreens in their manned rocket?
      Yeah, because the pilots barely had to do anything.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have had it with these motherfricking touch screens on this motherfricking plane.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I cant think of a single worse thing that could happen. This is such a moronic idea that i wish i could assign a personal janny that would delete your posts right after posting them.
    >t. former aircraft mechanic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't mind a screen to replace the six pack and have some GPS with ADS-B in capabilities. However replacing everything with screens is dumb. However WTF do I know, I float around in a C150 enjoying every weekend I can get.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mostly regulations around recertification and the need for backup solutions. No reason to retrofit a commercial passenger jet with the tech when it's only going to be in service for a decade at most before being sold off. Smaller commercial planes and private planes get retrofitted with a glass wienerpit all the time though.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They tried with F-35 but the pilots hate it. Buttons around the periphery are easily and unambiguously reached and provide direct tactile response without watching every step. With a touch screen you have to look down on the screen to see which button you should press and gthen visually confirm it was registered as a button press.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To avoid exponential increase in plane crashes

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's easy to treat touchscreens or MFDs as all-in-one units that can just be swapped out and sent away to be refurbished when things go wrong instead of keeping an inventory of a hundred different types of switches, knobs and gauges.
    Also it allows software to be updated for new functionality without rewiring the entire wienerpit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How about keeping the updoots for non mission critical bloatware? how about that?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you don't NEED advanced targeting systems and sensors, just eyeball it with a hiking GPU OK?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >uhmm make sure the flight team schedule the minor 2.03.44.02 updoot before the next mission flight so our scrum team can schedule a swift stand up over the UI buttons shade ,okay? mmmm thanks

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >DIY bracket riveted to a workbench clamp
          Kino

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, an F15 has a cpu so powerful even an original Raspberry Pi can vastly outperform it. Bloatware is not an option

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Planes have to work and be safe, license to kill and to be operated by morons is reserved for cars, the industry fought hard for that.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine what would happen when Microsoft pushes out a new update and forces a reboot in the middle of the Atlantic?
    Manual switches etc are much more reliable and they have physical redundancy.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most glass wienerpits have some old school flight instruments as backup to the technology - pilots still use those instruments quite often. Airspeed, altitude, heading, vertical speed and turn and balance are all you need to keep any aircraft under control. Touch screens will always have old school as backup

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tesla's approach of having just about everything on a touchscreen is already shit enough and only Elonbros defend that shit, there is no chance in Hell that anyone at the aircraft industry would be moronic enough to switch to touchscreens only in a fricking passenger airplane.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is sponsored by Boeing.
    Get fricked, get Boeing.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish for total touchscreen death, even in kitchen appliances.
    I'm lucky enough to have stove where you can just turn a knob, but almost all induction models go TOUCH BEEP (power +1) TOUCH BEEP (power +1) TOUCH BEEP (power +1) TOUCH BEEP (turn on)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >induction
      Gas stove master race

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you have to prove that the touch screen has at least a 99.999999999% reliability, this value could easily plummet by simply punching the screen

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thread is already full of lively debate over FUD, so just throwing my 2cents.

    Touchscreens aren't just cheaper in a "lol, chinesium" sense. There is a shit-fricking-ton of wires behind the panels, running to everything you see on the face of the panel. My father's specialty at an aircraft manufacturer was designing the wiring looms to make it possible to wire all that shit up.
    If you can replace that intricate and carefully woven maze of wiring with something like a serial bus running into an MFD instead, you save holy-shit money on not just building the panel in the first place, but maintaining it in the long run.
    >MFD computer detects a wiring fault during the BIT? Swap that one cable for a new one.
    >"This gauge isn't moving anymore"? Better pull of the panel, disentangle that one set of wires from the rest of the loom (which may have been layer in stages and god help you if it was in the bottom layer) and carefully reconstruct the entire thing.

    I don't mean to discount the usability issues with touchscreens or MFD's. That's a great argument against doing it! But the point in favour of doing it isn't merely "use the chink shit and save a few pennies."

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There is a shit-fricking-ton of wires behind the panels
      Where the rest of the world has understood the use of serial busses and nets, the military seems to fetishize vast cable mats. The worst offender is the submarine service, every area must be covered in panels and cables, lots of thick cables with super complex plugs. CAN buses would be far simpler while retaining proven reliability and redundancies.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tactile buttons are sexy

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they don't need them?

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >introducing highly fragile hardware without failsafe/backup system which is also hard to replace
    not to mention potential visibility issues. and for what gain?

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