Why is every attempt at VR that's not by valve or Facebook a total flop?

Why is every attempt at VR that's not by valve or Facebook a total flop?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    those headsets are best in class at what they do

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They both sold much less than expected

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the amount of money a company makes is not my concern

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're actually moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >buy headset
            >company sells 250k headsets rather than 400k headsets
            >changes nothing about the headset I've bought.
            >y-you're moron because you don't care
            Do you even own either of those headsets or are you just being an argumentative homosexual?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The point is that the headsets aren't popular, anon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Do you own either of those headsets?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Irrelevant

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you don't. If you thought it was irrelevant you would have answered.
            Which headset do you actually own anon? Let me guess, it's a Quest 3.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you keep saying. Which headset do you own?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Irrelevant

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're actually moronic

        oculus is affordable. Simple as. Valve index hasn't sold remotely as many units as the quest 2 (15 million), but they're still on decent numbers (according to valve itself)

        Even facebook's is only good for its hardware. They tried to make the metaverse but it failed. Because these tech companies are trying to make a gaming product and they fundamentally know nothing about it.

        Either they have to go through some 3rd party like Valve for a spatial tracking solution or they invest so much money in their own spatial tracking solution that they get caught up in investors that want them to turn their platform into the next walled garden appstore that's not compatible with anything.

        This is the Vision PRO. Wait for the normal Vision, Zucky will shit himself when realizes that apple does everything right.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          VR is a meme regardless of the build quality of the products.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            VR and AI is the future though!!!!!!1111

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it unironically is

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it unironically is

            Indeed, the metaverse would like be more akin to on the fly AI generation than a soup of triangles. I bet we'll be here technologically in approx. 10 to 15 years.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    oculus is affordable. Simple as. Valve index hasn't sold remotely as many units as the quest 2 (15 million), but they're still on decent numbers (according to valve itself)

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Even facebook's is only good for its hardware. They tried to make the metaverse but it failed. Because these tech companies are trying to make a gaming product and they fundamentally know nothing about it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Facebook didn't even try to make a gaming product. They're trying to get you to use Facebook 24/7

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you talking about shit you know nothing about?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Either they have to go through some 3rd party like Valve for a spatial tracking solution or they invest so much money in their own spatial tracking solution that they get caught up in investors that want them to turn their platform into the next walled garden appstore that's not compatible with anything.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is no content nor social infrastructure for it yet, it's like most technology.

    Ok take videos (or in a lesser extent photo) for example : for decade there was consumer grade tech but almost nobody would own a camera or use them regularly - except for maybe uncle charlie on week-end, or your some nerd teenage filmmaker -, the tech for consuming it was a pain in the ass, so nobody use it. Same thing for handled device, there was palm pilot and shit in the 90s but the market was niche.

    Nowadays high speed internet and web tech allows every two cents poorgay to take shot and distribute them to their family in an instant, so there was a new market created for this consumer good.

    VR is exciting but not there yet, we need a new paradigm on this technology, as well as some unknown type infrastructure to support it. It would likely be different than what we know today though.

    It would probably be some kind of "metaverse", but not the shits we're used too since the 90s.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because a significant chunk of the world population will never be able to use a VR headset for extended periods of time without throwing up
    Even those who can use it aren't looking to spend their every waking moment in VR, it's basically useful for only tasks you can complete in 15 to 30 minute intervals which end up being porn and casual video games.
    But why would the general consumer want to buy a hyper expensive VR headset that's never gonna replace their laptop or smartphone and which they're physically unable to use for more than 45 minutes at a time? And why would any corporation bother to make software for such a device?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because they are able to afford R&D.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Valve tries to actually make good stuff that servers a purpose (playing video games in their case) and Facebook just makes cheap shit which moves units because it's cheap. Apple made a headset with no actual use case, Sony made a headset for video games and then locked it to a platform which does not have video games.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Valve is irrelevant for VR hardware. It's so out of date and low spec vs todays headsets.
      >Sony made a headset for video games and then locked it to a platform which does not have video games.
      Sony is about to release PC drivers and dongle. SteamVR had an update not too long back to enable HDR on PCVR. It's going to be a weird choice of Pimax Crystal light and PSVR2 for PCVR soon. Not sure which I'd choose. The Sony OLED with HDR is gorgeous in VR, but the Pimax panel resolution is another level - but will require a 4090 to run it correctly.

      I'm waiting for Somnium to release their pre-orders , hopefully it's the next week or so.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It's so out of date
        It's half a decade old or some shit, it was the best on the market when it came out. Valve probably lost interest in VR in the mean time.
        >Sony is about to release PC drivers and dongle
        Should've done so from the get go, you'd have to be a moron to buy VR on a closed platform given how horrendously awful the state of the VR games industry is, most of the good shit comes from mods and fan ports of old games to VR and you're obviously not going to get any of that on PS5. Still I assume that Sony is only actually interested in VR insofar they can lock people into their platform, which they cannot for the reason already mentioned, so I expect this move of releasing PC support is just something they're doing to recoup some losses on the product that they can't actually sell to PS5 owners since nobody is buying.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Valve probably lost interest in VR in the mean time.
          They haven't, they've been updating steamvr (even with an overhaul recently) and release a link app for the quest
          They're just taking their sweet ass time with the deckard, I think it has to do something with getting the correct displays, but they've been patenting shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >they've been updating steamvr
            I wouldn't read too much into it. That's just decent support for your customers who use your software and who bought your product. About a year ago I turned on my Steam Link, it had shitloads of updates waiting for it that were made a long, long, long ass time after they stopped making and selling it. Valve is still selling the Index, of course they're going to update SteamVR.
            >They're just taking their sweet ass time with the deckard
            I guess we'll see, but no hardware updates in half a decade (crazy it's been that long, really) and only 1 actual game release in that time doesn't really scream huge interest from them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >you'd have to be a moron to buy VR on a closed platform given how horrendously awful the state of the VR games industry is.
          Right now, unless you're die hard into racing/flight sims then PSVR2 has the best selection of games. No other platform has had 2x Resident Evil VR games , a GT7 VR, Horizon VR etc released , all AAA titles. Better than recent titles on PC and a different world to anything released on wireless headsets.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >No other platform has had 2x Resident Evil VR games , a GT7 VR, Horizon VR etc released , all AAA titles. Better than recent titles on PC and a different world to anything released on wireless headsets

            Lol lmao, as a Quest 3 owner i have All the native Quest games (which there are way more than PSVR2 ones) and have amazing support for WIRELESS PCVR where i can play thousands of modded PC games.

            For people that have a Quest 3 and a PC, download UEVR and run Kena Bridge of Spirits with the first person mod on it, you will be fricking mind blown

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >quest owner
            I can tell. I knew the thread was a thinly veiled Sony hateboner thread.
            > i have All the native Quest games
            I too have a Quest 3. I've not found anything on it comparable. PSVR2 just looks better on all the cross platform games and nothing on Quest gets close to any of the AAA games
            PCVR. I have actual PCVR headsets for that and don't need some low res streamed Quest to play them and still the PSVR2 blows me away with the HDR and OLED a lot more than my Aero or Crystal

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wireless Quest 3 on VD using the godlike setting ands a high bandwith is perfect. no cable solution will ever be on par with it. Simple as.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah etc, a grand total of 4 games mentioned and out of those 4 one is fricking Horizon while another is a microtransaction-riddled embarrassment of a formerly-respected series. Truly spoiled for choice, I wonder how this shit isn't flying off the shelves?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            name these amazing games you can play elsewhere then? I have all the platforms and a top tier PC and I don't see them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Doom VR with a good WAD is better than literally anything you can play in VR on a PS5.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Doom VR
            literal PSVR1 game. Do better

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            UEVR is literally better than any PSVR2 game

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            My PC is better than yours.
            My headsets are better than yours.
            I know what games are like on all platforms as I've played them.
            You stamping about making stupid as frick claims about games which you can barely run on your 3070 isn't very convincing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >projecting to defend a dead headset
            cringe

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            all those games are bad
            there's exactly one good AAA VR game and it's on steam, the good lower-budget games are also almost all on steam

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's not as light as a pair of reading glasses and cheap as a smartphone

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    VR is the future now that this Chat GPT 4o whatever shit will be relased

    >Put headset on
    >ChatGPT app is on it
    >GPT sees through the headset and understands your voice

    Imagine a mechanic, fixing a car in those googles and just asking chat what to do next. Its the future
    But it needs better lenses for it and be a little bit smaller. We are almost there, i believe in zucc.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    price is too high for something that solves 0 issues
    it needs to be sold at a loss and then the money should be made on the laptop/iphone + app store sales because otherwise its an overpriced heavy piece of shit that is uncomfortable to use and makes you look like a dork.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    valve is cutting edge, oculus is affordable.
    plus they have porn while none of these shit locked-down headsets do.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      valve's hardly cutting edge nowadays. thought props to valve for it maintain it's number 2/3 spot on the hardware survey despite that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >valve's hardly cutting edge nowadays.
        there is still no headset at a comparable price point that is a zero-compromise upgrade from the index. every other headset is worse in one way or another.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the index is also the only no-strings-attached, true PCVR headset that doesn't infinitely datamine you or cost a gazillion bucks for the headset alone
          if they can come out with a standalone set that runs SteamOS 3+ with pancake lenses, adequate battery life, enough power to run some low-end stuff on its own and the ability to hook into bigger games running on a desktop over wifi, for a price similar to the Deck, they would completely corner the market
          why put up with zucc's creepy spyware when you can have something just as good that DOESN'T spy on you for a little bit more?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no-strings-attached
            Except for the fact that you have to replace it every other month

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you've been paying attention, the Index and Quest are flops in their own way. Facebook has dumped some 70 billion dollars on XR, and they aren't even 1/20th the way of recouping that loss. The Index isn't a failure in terms of being a financial loss since the units were sold at a great profit margin (imagine selling Index shit at 1k), but it is a mere 0.00001% of the Steam marketplace and generates zero revenue. VR as a market is a dead end and is shit. XR and AR has mainstream applicability, once they figure out how to make it comfortable to wear and make it smaller. It doesn't have to be glasses small, but it does have to be much smaller than what even pancake-lenses can offer.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    buyers regret

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    valve and oculus were the only companies actually trying to do it competently, facebook inherited personnel and brand momentum from oculus and that takes time to burn out (though it just about has at this point)

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if the PSVR2 worked on PC, I'd have bought one already. eye tracking is the killer feature set that the vast majority of VR headsets are lacking.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because steam is a monopoly

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