Why is he so mean to normie culture?

Why is he so mean to normie culture?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What’s really sad about this book is that Ivan Ilyich’s life in 2024 seems extravagant compared to the average young person today. An elite job, a family, a house, a wife. Barely anyone in their 20s or 30s has that now. Our lives are a million times more worthless and mundane than Ivan’s life which Tolstoy claims is wrong

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      an elite job was extravagant compared to the average young person at the time too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The book basically says he wasted his life by worrying about the future and others opinions and money instead of just spending time with his family and friends

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The book basically says he wasted his life by worrying about the future and others opinions and money instead of just spending time with his family and friends

      the only mistake he made was marrying a c*nt

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        cant what?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It’s realistic. That’s the average marriage. Wives just become neurotic naggy b***hes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Barely anyone in their 20s or 30s has that now.
      >now
      homie, when Tolstoy wrote this book vast majority of people couldn't even read, Ivan Ilych's life was absolutely unobtainable for everyone except tiny minority.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What’s really sad about this book is that Ivan Ilyich’s life in 2024 seems extravagant compared to the average young person today. An elite job, a family, a house, a wife. Barely anyone in their 20s or 30s has that now. Our lives are a million times more worthless and mundane than Ivan’s life which Tolstoy claims is wrong

        Ivan is a moron who wasted his life planning and chasing social clout instead of living in the moment

        His relative wealth isn’t important, just that he cared deeply about it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That’s what I mean, an elite lifestyle from the past is perfectly obtainable today and we increasingly fail to get it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same with the protagonist life in Stoner.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    read his confessions
    Basically he was a pussy that couldnt kill himself and thought he was smarter than normies for realizing life is ''meaningless"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      name your fav top 5 books rn

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not what he says at all. He decided not to kill himself because it would be the ultimate act of arrogance. In his own words if the least fortunate people in the world can maintain a faith in God and find meaning in life in the worst circumstances then there’s no reason why the elite educated classes are so materialistic and atheistic. So he chose to believe in God

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >That’s not what he says at all.
        >Thats literally what he says tho
        Sure the fact he realized that peasants still managed to live a meaningful life gave him reason to continue, but that doesnt invalidate his former conclusions. In sum, lrn 2 read broski

        >The life of our class,
        of the wealthy and the learned, was not only repulsive to me but
        had lost all meaning. The sum of our action and thinking, of our
        science and art, all of it struck me as the overindulgences of a
        spoiled child. I realized that meaning was not to be sought here.
        The actions of the laboring people, of those who create life, began
        to appear to me as the one true way. I realized that the meaning
        provided by this life was truth, and I embraced it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody who has spent more than 5min with poor people would think this way.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            true dat, but he viewed them akin to a noble savage. He was an intellectual stuck in his ivory tower

            >Many times I have envied the peasants for their illiteracy and their
            lack of education . They could see nothing false in those tenets of
            faith which to me seemed to have arisen from patent nonsense;
            they could accept them and believe in the truth, the same truth
            I believed in. But unhappily for me, it was clear that the truth was
            tied to a lie with the finest of threads and that I could not accept
            it in such a form.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Russell thought he was a moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is no intellectual whose opinion I care about less than Bertrand Russell

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            true dat, but he viewed them akin to a noble savage. He was an intellectual stuck in his ivory tower

            >Many times I have envied the peasants for their illiteracy and their
            lack of education . They could see nothing false in those tenets of
            faith which to me seemed to have arisen from patent nonsense;
            they could accept them and believe in the truth, the same truth
            I believed in. But unhappily for me, it was clear that the truth was
            tied to a lie with the finest of threads and that I could not accept
            it in such a form.

            Yeah, one of the more unattractive aspects of Tolstoy's writing is his romanticization of the peasantry. Still a great writer, and I thoroughly enjoyed Death of Ivan Illych. I think the romanticization of the poor is common among more intellectual types. They're envious of what to them appears as a more simple lifestyle free from existential concerns because working persons are too absorbed by the struggle to survive and work to have time to think.
            Grass is always greener

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He's right. Just look at your average Silicon Valley tech parasite today that LARPs as a philosopher. Do you really think those people have the true answer for life?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >what is a false dichotomy ?
            I choose neither my man

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because normies are materialistic bug people

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yet another thread about an actually interesting book and author that no one wants to talk in

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