Why is Joseph McElroy so overlooked when compared to other post-modern novelists such as Pynchon, DFW or Delillo?

Why is Joseph McElroy so overlooked when compared to other post-modern novelists such as Pynchon, DFW or Delillo?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't he let his own books go out of print or am I thinking of another writer?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this
      why this guy won't get more of his books back in print is beyond me. when he inevitably crosses the river within the decade, i'll be forced to pay 200 usd minimum for women and men instead of 100 usd...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And the OP wonders why he's overlooked lmao
        he's committing cultural suicide by erasing his work from circulation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Women and men has been reprinted by Dzanc a couple of years ago, you can find it new for like $40 on the Internet.
        Still, shame his other books (A Smugglers Bible, Plus etc) are all so expensive because not reprinted.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          it's out of print from them too, so it costs 90 to 100 usd for a copy now.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Haven't read anything by him, but I assume it's because he's not as good.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because he can't write well.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't he like 94 now? I wonder what will happen to his works when he dies will he allow them to go out of print completely thus making them more rare and scarce or will some greedy israeli publisher try and profit from them marketing him as some long lost unacknowledged Underground hidden artist who deserved more attention

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I read Cannonball, I liked it.
    It felt like a halluncinatory maze, and begged re-reading - but there are better authors to re-read...
    I'll still check out his other stuff

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >IQfy hates post-modern doorstoppers now
    What happened?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We grew up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      IQfy only liked during a small window of reddit tourism. The only year McElroy made the list.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They’re TrueLit reddit sloppa

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Makes sense. That’s why nu-IQfy thinks troony books are masterpieces.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      2016

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      attention span of the average 19-22 year old who would have picked up IJ or GR has atrophied to the point where that's an impossibility. further, the density books themselves defeat the pseudo-intellectual wiki-browsing glibness that might otherwise keep them in good but ignorant standing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      2016 and IQfy doesn’t care about fiction anymore

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        2016

        2016 was the only year McElroy made tge list, newbies. Election tourism was the peak for postmodern trash.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve never even heard of him. I really dislike post-war American literature. For me, American literature starts of incredibly strong with the likes Hawthorne, Poe, and Melville and ultimately culminates in these really unremarkable writers like Pynchon and whoever this guy is. I mean, I read some Nabokov and thought he was a pretty talented writer, but the novels are ultimately forgettable. Blood Meridian was a unique book, but more unique than impressive. I really can’t think of another post-war writer that really knocked my socks off like Melville or Henry James did.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nabby is ultimately a Russian

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Henry James sucks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You can just say you don't like Post Modernism instead of doomsaying it's not like that's a particularly controversial opinion

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    truth is, he sucks canal water

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He’s not as accessible, I assume.
    From what I read…he’s underrated.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He’s been out of print a lot lately. That’s not a good sign

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Post-modernists are all about what people they knew, what parties they went to, whose dicks they sucked and so on. Like all post-modernists this guy is boring and no one actually reads his books. Should have had more homosexual scandals to titillate boomer pseuds.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Post-modernists are all about what people they knew, what parties they went to, whose dicks they sucked and so on.
      Proust?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Every single one of them.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I read bits of "Women and Men" online once, and it was really clumsy. Maybe he was doing something purposeful with the style, but it read like it had been translated from another language using bad software.

    I'd be willing to give it another shot if it were in print, but I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on a 1200-page book that makes "The Making of Americans" seem elegant.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Post Modernism is just Joyce after births tbh
    They aren't skilled enough to make a Ulysses and they aren't daring enough to commit to full avant garde nonsense like Finnegan's Wake.
    They're stuck in between the two, wobbling on a tight rope, all of them inevitably tumbling down and spraying their innards everywhere. The audience claps, turns away in disgust, or studies the blood splatters for philosophical meaning.
    Joyce was a great artist, it's hard to argue against that. He was the real deal. But the worst thing he ever did was inspire these upjumped socialite college students

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      joyce is HORRIBLE - you fell for it
      filter yourself

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I can't in good faith read Ulysses and not think it a great piece, one of the greatest written by man

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm interested in reading his sci fi novel. The one with a brain in a jar floating around the earth or whatever. Pretty sure I have a digital version, should bump it up my reading list.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That book sucks. Maybe I got filtered but it was truly unenjoyable to read.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I saw someone else say that as well. Still curious to give it a go.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The concept is interesting, as with a lot of McElroy. His execution isn't that good. Plus is still one of his better books. Not as bad as women & men.

          But if you want books that seem to have been written in highly autistic and unusual language, Gertrude Stein is far better and has more substance in her works.

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